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Post by timholycross on Sept 5, 2021 22:45:33 GMT -5
Pure idiocy to leave the AAC and become an independent to enable basketball to go to BE. Nothing wrong with the AAC as a basketball conference, and the BE bears little resemblance to the BE of which UConn had been a member. The Big East has two national champions since being founded in 2013-2014 season. The ACC has three, Big 12 one, and the other champion is UConn. So the Big East Hoops has been pretty good. ...the AAC is a pretty good basketball league, but it didn't appeal to their fan base. And, there's a good chance the league's going to be a lot weaker in a year or two.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 5, 2021 22:48:52 GMT -5
^ the BE conference was founded in 1979 Einstein Foley's more right than wrong on this one. What do Creighton, Marquette, Butler, DePaul and Xavier have to do with the league that was formed in 1979 and nearly half of the original members are in the ACC?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 5, 2021 22:57:11 GMT -5
Foley's more right than wrong on this one. What do Creighton, Marquette, Butler, DePaul and Xavier have to do with the league that was formed in 1979 and nearly half of the original members are in the ACC? Only two of its original members are in the ACC (Boston College, Syracuse). Syracuse would be welcomed back if it so chose. BC would not be. Six of the eight are in the Big East (Connecticut, Georgetown, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova), with Villanova technically a year late due to an exit clause from the Eastern 8.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 6, 2021 6:23:25 GMT -5
Foley's more right than wrong on this one. What do Creighton, Marquette, Butler, DePaul and Xavier have to do with the league that was formed in 1979 and nearly half of the original members are in the ACC? Only two of its original members are in the ACC (Boston College, Syracuse). Syracuse would be welcomed back if it so chose. BC would not be. Six of the eight are in the Big East (Connecticut, Georgetown, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova), with Villanova technically a year late due to an exit clause from the Eastern 8. Why would BC not be welcomed back? Would UCONN veto them? The Huskies would have lunged at an ACC spot if they had been invited instead of the Eagles. I remember local people being annoyed BC would give up closer geographical ties and traditional rivalries to head down Tobacco Road but am more hazy on the Big East's reaction.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 6, 2021 6:43:35 GMT -5
The Athletic’s take Glad not to see Chesney’s name
By Bruce Feldman Sep 5, 2021 86 After Connecticut’s second ugly loss in two weeks — this weekend’s to FCS Holy Cross — Randy Edsall announced that he will be retiring at the end of this season. The Huskies football program, which definitely had some strong moments under Edsall in his first run in Storrs, has been abysmal of late and further marginalized in conference realignment. Just how viable this football program is going forward is a tricky question. I suspect there will be a few strong candidates who would make a lot of sense geographically but who probably wouldn’t sign on for this as their next move. But if you’re UConn, you have to be aggressive and swing. There’s been a few highly regarded coordinators who have UConn ties that might make a lot of sense — at least from the Huskies’ perspective. Joe Moorhead: Oregon offensive coordinator Joe Moorhead was a UConn OC back when the Huskies were at their best. The Pittsburgh native, 47, had an excellent first season in Eugene, despite taking a group that was No. 4 in the Pac-12 in yards per play up to No. 2, and that was despite not having Justin Herbert or having to replace Penei Sewell and the entire O-line. Moorhead did a terrific job as Penn State’s offensive coordinator after working some wonders as the head coach at his alma mater, Fordham. At Mississippi State, he was 14-12 and 2-0 in the Egg Bowl, but ended up getting squeezed out. I’m not sure Moorhead would jump for this job, but it’s a call UConn should make. Rhett Lashlee: Another former UConn offensive coordinator that might make some sense for the Huskies is Miami OC Rhett Lashlee The ‘Canes obviously got off to a rough start this season against mighty Alabama, but don’t underestimate the job he’s done at Miami: the Canes went from No. 98 to No. 32 in his debut season and he did really well at SMU. He’s another top assistant who I suspect might be looking for a bigger Group of 5 job as his next move. Todd Orlando: USC defensive coordinator Todd Orlando spent a decade as a Huskies assistant and also could get serious consideration. The Pittsburgh native has been in the mix for a few head coaching jobs before and might be interested in a move back to the Northeast to run his own program. Tyler Stockton: The third former Huskies assistant might be seen as too young at this point, but Ball State defensive coordinator Tyler Stockton certainly merits a closer look. In his first season as DC, he helped Ball State to its first MAC Championship in 24 years, its first-ever bowl victory in the Arizona Bowl and its first year-end rankings in the polls. Not bad for someone who only graduated college in 2013 and who was the second-youngest FBS defensive coordinator. The former Notre Dame D-lineman’s group improved 50 spots in scoring defense, going from No. 93 to No. 43. Better still, Ball State went from No. 8 in the MAC in TFLs to No. 1. The former UConn graduate assistant is a New Jersey native and has a very impressive background off the field as well, having done internships at Goldman Sachs, Young Entrepreneurs Across America, Morgan Stanley Smith Barney and ETL Associates and earned his MBA in corporate finance. Nick Hill: One sitting head coach I think might get a look that could be tempted by the job is Southern Illinois’ Nick Hill, a former standout quarterback for the Salukis, who bounced around the NFL for a bit. He’s now elevated this program, leading it to its first FCS playoff appearance since 2009. The 36-year-old led SIU to a blowout win over powerhouse North Dakota State last year, 38-14, before losing a close game to No. 2 South Dakota State in the FCS quarterfinals. In addition to that group, I think there is a handful of Power 5 assistants to keep an eye one. JaJuan Seider: Penn State RBs/run game coordinator also has some Northeast ties from his time at West Virginia University and now in Happy Valley. The 44-year-old former standout quarterback from FAMU was in the mix for a couple of FBS head coaching jobs in the past year and will be again, as he’s developed one of the best position rooms in FBS. Seider’s roots in Florida and as a big recruiting force there would make him a big asset at UConn. Justin Frye: UCLA is very buzzy right now after its fast start. Justin Frye is the Bruins’ offensive coordinator and O-line coach, and has the presence that makes it not hard to see him running his own program. The 37-year-old former Indiana offensive tackle and former graduate assistant under Urban Meyer at Florida has Northeast ties, having coached for Steve Addazio at Temple and Boston College. Frye has been with Kelly from the start at UCLA and I suspect the Indiana native probably will be choosey about his next move, knowing how much time it’s taken to spark the turnaround in Westwood, and likely will see how much further they can take it with the Bruins. Nunzio Campanile: Rutgers offensive coordinator Sean Gleeson is a rising star coach and the hunch here is that he probably wouldn’t be interested in UConn. But Rutgers tight ends coach Nunzio Campanile is one that might seem like a good fit. He was Rutgers’ interim head coach before Greg Schiano and has strong ties in New Jersey, a critical state if you’re going to have success at a Northeast FBS program. His dad was an acclaimed New Jersey high school coach and he spent a decade at powerhouse Bergen Catholic after a decade at Don Bosco Prep. Joe Harasymiak: Minnesota co-defensive coordinator Joe Harasymiak, another Jersey native, produced some excellent defenses at Maine before becoming the head coach there. He went 10-4 and led the Black Bears to the FCS semifinals. He was in the mix for the Buffalo head coaching search earlier this year. Liam Coen: The biggest wild card of the group comes from the SEC: new Kentucky offensive coordinator Liam Coen. He’s only coached one game for UK but had a terrific debut. Remember his name if the Cats make a big jump offensively, which I think they will. There’s a lot of Joe Brady feel to Coen in that he was a relatively unknown NFL assistant (he comes from Sean McVay’s Los Angeles Rams staff) to SEC coordinator looking to boost what has been a listless passing game. He has a lot more play calling experience than Brady did. The former UMass star QB is from Rhode Island and spent the better part of a decade coaching in New England and impressed a lot of people around there while doing it. Young offensive guy with McVay pedigree and New England roots? That might sound very enticing to the folks in Storrs
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Post by hchoops on Sept 6, 2021 6:49:56 GMT -5
From the many, many comments on the above article
Next year UConn plays Michigan, Syracuse, NC State, Boston College, Fresno State, Army, Liberty, Ball State and Utah State.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 6, 2021 7:00:38 GMT -5
So this writer is looking past Chesney and mostly looking at assistants with UConn connections perhaps because he figures no one else would consider the job. Remember when HC didn’t consider Chesney? But here he is.
Also, Coen worked at HC for the proverbial “drink of water,” if you recall.
Unless HC was on UConn’s schedule again soon, I don’t have a strong interest in who they get unless it’s Chesney. And this writer has zero input in Edsall’s successor.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 6, 2021 7:04:27 GMT -5
Uh oh Inevitable In another just posted article in The Athletic with many names mentioned
There are a number of options from the FCS level. Holy Cross head coach Bob Chesney just beat the Huskies, and he’s won the past two Patriot League championships. The 44-year-old previously won at Assumption College and Salve Regina in the Northeast, posting an 83-38 record in 11-plus seasons as a head coach.
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Post by HC92 on Sept 6, 2021 7:42:03 GMT -5
One never knows but I have to think Chesney will want a job with more upside than UConn can offer for his next one.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 6, 2021 7:51:27 GMT -5
Enjoy the season and forget about who's going where. And for all we know, they could lose to Merrimack next week and where does that put the guy?
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Post by HC92 on Sept 6, 2021 8:13:45 GMT -5
Given what happened to our football and basketball programs after Duff and Ralph left, it’s hard not to worry about who is going where. Yes, there were other factors that contributed to those rapid declines but I’m still going to worry about Chesney leaving. He’s special and there are only so many of those out there.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 6, 2021 9:28:09 GMT -5
^ the BE conference was founded in 1979 Einstein You are wrong here. The Big East office was in Providence (they moved to Texas in the last two years) before the split in 2013-2014. That same office became the AAC and the new Big East office is in NY. So, technically the Big East became the AAC and a new conference took over the trademark.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 6, 2021 9:32:21 GMT -5
Given what happened to our football and basketball programs after Duff and Ralph left, it’s hard not to worry about who is going where. Yes, there were other factors that contributed to those rapid declines but I’m still going to worry about Chesney leaving. He’s special and there are only so many of those out there. I generally agree. But with the tragic death of the highly successful Coach Carter we transitioned to the highly successful (Colonial/Patriot) Coach Duffner. Carter’s excellent recruits were the bedrock of Duffner’s success the next few years.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Sept 6, 2021 9:38:15 GMT -5
^ the BE conference was founded in 1979 Einstein You are wrong here. The Big East office was in Providence (they moved to Texas in the last two years) before the split in 2013-2014. That same office became the AAC and the new Big East office is in NY. So, technically the Big East became the AAC and a new conference took over the trademark. ACTP really likes to throw out those insults.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 6, 2021 9:56:53 GMT -5
Given what happened to our football and basketball programs after Duff and Ralph left, it’s hard not to worry about who is going where. Yes, there were other factors that contributed to those rapid declines but I’m still going to worry about Chesney leaving. He’s special and there are only so many of those out there. I generally agree. But with the tragic death of the highly successful Coach Carter we transitioned to the highly successful (Colonial/Patriot) Coach Duffner. Carter’s excellent recruits were the bedrock of Duffner’s success the next few years. For those who have recently joined Crossports, and may not aware of events from the 1980’s regarding HC Football, the following article by Mike Philbrick will provide some background. abcnews.go.com/Sports/tragic-tale-heisman-underdog/story?id=44016559
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Post by dadominate on Sept 6, 2021 10:03:45 GMT -5
Don't let the door hit you on the way out Edsall. And to those worried about Ches leaving down the road, it won't be to Conn or Mass. He's not an idiot, and will have much better options than these two rudderless disasters. When Duff was here, the last 2-3 years higher profile jobs would pop up and most of them sucked. Maryland looked on paper to be a good move but it wasn't. i loved both duffner and root for maryland, so come at this pretty objectively. i'm not sure the maryland gig was that bad versus duffner not getting it done. fact is, ralph friedgen replaced duffner and brought maryland to a top 10 ranking and the orange bowl just a few years after he left. maryland was consistently strong during the friedgen era and have been solid (at least appearing in low/mid level bowls) ever since, even during most of the relatively crappy edsall years.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 6, 2021 10:10:39 GMT -5
Edsall does leave a very complicated legacy at UConn. Took them to heights never before seen and maybe never to be seen again (NYE bowl, win ovah ND etc) but also left rather abruptly in his first tenure and has been terrible in his return to UConn. Little before my time but does anyone know how HC prepared for/acted upon Dr Anderson's retirement the second time around? I know Massucco ended up succeeding him but he then left for WPI of all places after 2 seasons. There is a NYT article on Massucco being named HC at HC from Dec. 1964 but it's behind a paywall (too cheap to subscribe )....just curious if anyone else was considered beside Mel who had been a loyal assistant to Anderson.
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Post by lou on Sept 6, 2021 10:40:15 GMT -5
You know it's only $1/week?
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Post by hc87 on Sept 6, 2021 10:47:43 GMT -5
You know it's only $1/week? I'm wicked cheap.... ....with newspapers online anyway, at one point I probably had 6-7 online newspaper subscriptions (NYT being one) but it got to be too much (emails, spam etc) so I basically went "cold turkey"...still able to get news/sports etc without all the subscriptions
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 6, 2021 10:48:00 GMT -5
Here is the article...
WORCESTER, Mass., Dec. 19 (UPI)—Melvin G. Massucco, a defensive coach and the chief scout for the Holy Cross football team the last 10 years, was named today head coach of the Crusader team, succeeding Dr. Eddie Anderson.
The appointment of the 39year‐pld Massucco, who was born in Arlington, Mass., was made by the Very Rev. Raymond Swords, S. J., the president of the college.
Massucco, a 1952 graduate of Holy Cross where he was the starting right halfback for three seasons, was the captain of the Crusaders in 1951 and was named to the all‐Catholic allAmerica team.
Anderson, the dean of United States collegiate football coaches, announced last August that he was retiring after 39 years of coaching—21 years as head coach at Holy Cross.
Massucco, the first Andersoncoached Holy Cross player to join Anderson's coaching staff, was selected after more than three months of screening and interviewing by a committee appointed by Father Swords.
Massucco said he was “most grateful for the opportunity to coach the Crusaders and I am eager to tackle the challenge.”
Dig deeper into the moment. Special offer: Subscribe for $1 a week. He said he had made no decisions regarding his staff.
“It's much too early yet,” he said. “I have certain men in mind, of course, but I haven't contacted them to see if they are interested.
“I feel it just wouldn't be good policy at this time to make any hurried decisions.”
Regarding the Holy Cross team, which compiled a 5‐5 record last season, Massucco said, “I think we should have enough material to field a good, representative team next season.”
Father Swords said: “We have selected Mr. Massucco not only because we feel that he is an excellent teacher and that his teams will exhibit sound and colorful football, but also because he understands the proper role of that sport in a college such as Holy Cross. He is a gentleman of high ideals and principles.”
Anderson was informed of the appointment early today before he left for San Francisco, where he will be a member of the East coaching staff in the annual East‐West Shrine Game.
“Wonderful,” said Anderson. “I'm elated. Mel certainly deserves it, and I think he is one of the truly great, truly fine young coaches in the country.”
In addition to his chores on the varsity coaching staff, Massucco served as freshmen football coach and varsity hockey coach. He is also an assistant to the athletic director in charge of the recruiting program.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 6, 2021 10:52:25 GMT -5
Thanks Crucis....I can see in that day and age why Massucco was chosen....was just curious if we looked "outside HC" at all for that appointment.
Why did Massucco leave after a pretty good '66 season for WPI? Pressure of the job etc?
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 6, 2021 10:56:26 GMT -5
Edsall does leave a very complicated legacy at UConn. Took them to heights never before seen and maybe never to be seen again (NYE bowl, win ovah ND etc) but also left rather abruptly in his first tenure and has been terrible in his return to UConn. Little before my time but does anyone know how HC prepared for/acted upon Dr Anderson's retirement the second time around? I know Massucco ended up succeeding him but he then left for WPI of all places after 2 seasons. There is a NYT article on Massucco being named HC at HC from Dec. 1964 but it's behind a paywall (too cheap to subscribe )....just curious if anyone else was considered beside Mel who had been a loyal assistant to Anderson. I recall reading that Mel chose WPI because it was a full time gig and HC wasn't. Perhaps he also was a professor of phys Ed, like Steve Belichick at Navy. Bill's Dad turned down head coaching offers to stay at Navy because he had job security as a professor and a Federal Pension. Update: after reading the article, it sounds like HC kept Mel busy so maybe it was some other security or tenure or something WPI offered that HC didn't.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 6, 2021 10:58:56 GMT -5
Believe it was a financial issue from what I heard from scuttlebutt sitting in the stands 50 years ago from old guys moaning about Ed Doherty’s play calling and why we did not bring back Mel.
Mel was looking for more $ at the time he left HC.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 6, 2021 10:59:53 GMT -5
UConn is in a very bad spot. It chose BE hoops over football, and was cast loose in the midst of major conference re-alignment. It is an orphan that no one wants to adopt. I would think the only coaches who would be interested would be FCS coaches who have a successful record that they can fall back on if UConn retains a classification of a failed program, or an OC or DC at a Power Five who also has a resume demonstrating multi-year success, that he could also fall back on.
All that changes if UConn finds a good conference affiliation for football-only. But right now, they're a vagabond school filling out other schools' schedules.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 6, 2021 11:00:17 GMT -5
Edsall does leave a very complicated legacy at UConn. Took them to heights never before seen and maybe never to be seen again (NYE bowl, win ovah ND etc) but also left rather abruptly in his first tenure and has been terrible in his return to UConn. Little before my time but does anyone know how HC prepared for/acted upon Dr Anderson's retirement the second time around? I know Massucco ended up succeeding him but he then left for WPI of all places after 2 seasons. There is a NYT article on Massucco being named HC at HC from Dec. 1964 but it's behind a paywall (too cheap to subscribe )....just curious if anyone else was considered beside Mel who had been a loyal assistant to Anderson. I recall reading that Mel chose WPI because it was a full time gig and HC wasn't. Perhaps he also was a professor of phys Ed, like Steve Belichick at Navy. Bill's Dad turned down head coaching offers to stay at Navy because he had job security as a professor and a Federal Pension. Yeah, that sounds right now that I remembah.....different world then but it's amazing how successful we were in hoop, football and baseball given our shoe-string budgets back then.
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