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Post by armsue on Nov 20, 2021 17:28:15 GMT -5
So many spot on posts. My fellow basketball loving alums it is the coach. Let’s stop the denials.
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Post by Crosser on Nov 20, 2021 17:37:59 GMT -5
I am very discouraged about where the team is currently situated. I would have guessed that our turnovers were closer to 31 than 21. I am not a basketball expert, but I guessed that Air Force was running some variation of the often maligned "Princeton offense." Whatever offense it was it worked waaaaaay better than whatever offense we used. I'm not a betting man, but the opportunity to take Bryant at -4 tomorrow could lead me to take up yet another vice. I'll be watching though. Go 'Saders!!
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Post by trimster on Nov 20, 2021 17:59:49 GMT -5
1assist to 21 turnovers. That has to be one of the most startling stat lines I have ever seen. We could be in trouble.
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Post by crusader1970 on Nov 20, 2021 18:04:43 GMT -5
Looking at the box score I just noticed another mind blowing stat:
We outrebounded AF by 16 rebs 41-25 and outscored them from the free throw line by 10 FTs 17-7.
And we lost by 19.
Got to be the strangest boxscore I can ever recall.
I wonder if you ran those 2 stats across thousands of college games how many times the winner in both categories LOST the game, much less got blown out.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 20, 2021 18:23:03 GMT -5
1assist to 21 turnovers. That has to be one of the most startling stat lines I have ever seen. We could be in trouble. Up, up and oh vey
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Post by trimster on Nov 20, 2021 19:09:42 GMT -5
1assist to 21 turnovers. That has to be one of the most startling stat lines I have ever seen. We could be in trouble. Four games. 34 assists, 75 turnovers.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 20, 2021 20:00:33 GMT -5
Caro told us that our issue wasn't with coaching or talent or recruiting, it's with lack of experience. Air Force ranks 347th in experience. Joe Scott, who you said doesn't know whether a basketball is blown up or stuffed, embarrassed Nelson today. Not able to watch the game, so would love to hear some of your typical astute analysis on coaching decisions, what a different coach could have done better, etc? As always, appreciate the analysis! Looking at the box score, it appears that Senior AJ Walker (making his 80th career start) is having a pretty significant impact on the game, with 27 points and 3 assists so far. It’s definitely a coaching deficiency that he significantly outplayed our Senior-laden backcourt…. —- This is a dreadful period of Holy across basketball, but the last 8 days are nothing new. While many seem to have a very short memory, this has been the case with HC for about 98% of the past 12 years. What Brett Nelson has done to improve the program at this point can be argued, but he certainly hasn’t done anything to make the HC program worse than the sh*tshow he inherited when he arrived in July 2019. Would love to analyze any coaching decisions other than the one to show up. Might very well be a team that receives good instruction and practice drills, but is NOT coached during the game I honestly believe he cares, he is a good man and wants to win, but he appears confused and frustrated on what to do once the whistle blows to help the team win. I can’t imagine how he enjoys his job and the staff must be in agony, and my bet is some players and fans are ready to jump off the wall. Sometimes I think we create more excuses than the Church has Saints. While 99% of the posters might disagree, I would pull the plug and give RJ Evans the job tomorrow because this won’t get better despite our hopes and dreams for a better future next year will NOT be realized. bTW Colgate beat Syracuse by 15-what are we doing and where are we going?
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 20, 2021 20:14:16 GMT -5
While my gut would put me in the 1% that would agree, I came to the decision - in my head anyway - that Nelson should get the rest of this season before any drastic action is taken. Here's the thing, my pal Tom Gilmore's team lost their first 8 games and their offense was horrendous and couldn't buy a TD their first 3 or so games. I knew that there were some major issues with the Lehigh football team that were mostly inexperience and injuries. TG got things falling in place by almost beating Fordham and giving us a decent game compared to how some other teams did against us but, most importantly for them, winning their last 3 games including their main rivalry game against Lafayette.
So, while I don't totally buy into the excuses that BBC has made for Nelson, he does have an inexperienced crew and there have been injuries. I personally believe the former factor is at least partially on him, the latter is just the way the cookie crumbles in sports.
But while Nelson reminds many of Milan Brown who was accused to coaching by rolling the ball out there, let's give him the remainder of the year to see if he can turn things around.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 20, 2021 20:22:33 GMT -5
I fear more and more that we may have Milan Brown 2.0, but with a coach who is not as good as MB with the X's & O's
Not ready to call the stone carvers on that quite yet but I've lookedup their phone number
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Post by efg72 on Nov 20, 2021 20:30:47 GMT -5
I am looking for signs of hope- the last thing anybody wants to do is to be part of something that ends a future for anybody. But the Holy Cross community deserves more than hope, it should have a special future and there are no signs that suggest that is close. Sadly, I believe the talent is willing, but the leadership is missing.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 20, 2021 20:42:28 GMT -5
To hear HC fans say some of the things posted here is almost painful. Have to believe it is hard for the people making the posts as well as for those reading it. I am now in the same corner as KY and sader1970. I won't speculate at all this year about replacements for someone who is here and working to develop a team. But, at the end of the year if no signs of progress are visible, I may have to rethink that position. GO CROSS GO...pretty please! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by efg72 on Nov 20, 2021 20:48:30 GMT -5
He might be a great coach working with top level players, but he doesn’t seem comfortable at this level.
Nobody wants him to fail. If he succeeds, it is a great day for Holy Cross.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 20, 2021 21:08:30 GMT -5
He might be a great coach working with top level players, but he doesn’t seem comfortable at this level. Nobody wants him to fail. If he succeeds, it is a great day for Holy Cross. 20 turnovers then 19 turnovers then 17 turnovers then 21 turnovers This is insane the 1assist to 21turnovers stat has to be an NCAA record
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 20, 2021 21:10:40 GMT -5
He might be a great coach working with top level players, but he doesn’t seem comfortable at this level. Nobody wants him to fail. If he succeeds, it is a great day for Holy Cross. I’d have to go back to the thread where we learned Nelson was hired, but I do think there were a bunch of posters and posters who questioned Blossom’s decision.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 20, 2021 21:12:35 GMT -5
With only 1 assist and that many turnovers, not having seen the game but those numbers strike me as very little teamwork and a lot of solo work. Since "synergy" happens to be my favorite team word, that would seem to be lacking - so far, this year.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 20, 2021 21:16:01 GMT -5
Defending without help and giving up nearly 50% of the points in transition. Offense well not sure how to describe it differently than others have already
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 20, 2021 21:25:54 GMT -5
Not able to watch the game, so would love to hear some of your typical astute analysis on coaching decisions, what a different coach could have done better, etc? As always, appreciate the analysis! Looking at the box score, it appears that Senior AJ Walker (making his 80th career start) is having a pretty significant impact on the game, with 27 points and 3 assists so far. It’s definitely a coaching deficiency that he significantly outplayed our Senior-laden backcourt…. —- This is a dreadful period of Holy across basketball, but the last 8 days are nothing new. While many seem to have a very short memory, this has been the case with HC for about 98% of the past 12 years. What Brett Nelson has done to improve the program at this point can be argued, but he certainly hasn’t done anything to make the HC program worse than the sh*tshow he inherited when he arrived in July 2019. Would love to analyze any coaching decisions other than the one to show up. Might very well be a team that receives good instruction and practice drills, but is NOT coached during the game I honestly believe he cares, he is a good man and wants to win, but he doesn’t appear to have any idea about coaching once the whistle blows. He appears clueless about what needs to be done to help the team win. He can’t enjoy his job and the staff must be in agony, and my bet is some players and fans are ready to jump off the wall. Sometimes I think we create more excuses than the Church has Saints. He has absolutely no idea what to do with the talent he has and the in game and half time adjustments well you decide…. While 99% of the posters might disagree, I would pull the plug and give RJ Evans the job tomorrow because this won’t get better despite our hopes and dreams for a better future next year will NOT be realized. bTW Colgate beat Syracuse by 15-what are we doing and where are we going? If RJ Evans or one of the other assistants had great skill at designing an offense, a defense and in game adjustments, wouldn't that bubble up to the surface? Coach Nelson doesn't seem like someone hardened in his positions after thirty years at the helm. These guys are in their third season together. They must have all shared their ideas with each other. Probably all four coaches have adequate BB knowledge but it will take time to figure out how to get these players to reach their potential as a team.
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Post by sader81 on Nov 20, 2021 21:27:07 GMT -5
I know some are ready to pull the plug, but remember this team is filled with fresh & sophs. They will get better as the season progresses. The second half today was awful - no way to sugar coat it. We may be surprised come February. I’ll reserve judgment until then.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 20, 2021 21:37:58 GMT -5
I would agree if it was about the offense But defense and adjustments are the issue and unless i sm missing the obvious. there are few if any indications that they are being addressed at any level It's a roll of the dice that RJ could do with a head coach's authority what he hasn't been able to do with an assistant coach's influence.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 20, 2021 22:13:01 GMT -5
I fear more and more that we may have Milan Brown 2.0, but with a coach who is not as good as MB with the X's & O's Not ready to call the stone carvers on that quite yet but I've lookedup their phone number If Nelson is worse than MB in-game, this tells us everything we need to know...
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 20, 2021 22:18:39 GMT -5
He might be a great coach working with top level players, but he doesn’t seem comfortable at this level. Nobody wants him to fail. If he succeeds, it is a great day for Holy Cross. 20 turnovers then 19 turnovers then 17 turnovers then 21 turnovers This is insane the 1assist to 21turnovers stat has to be an NCAA record There are 358 teams in D1 basketball. HC ranks 357 in assist percentage. Only 23.9% of our field goals are assisted on.
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Post by gks on Nov 20, 2021 22:20:37 GMT -5
Lack of T-A-L-E-N-T.
Very simple.
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Post by crusader1970 on Nov 20, 2021 22:45:50 GMT -5
You know what I want? I want the feeling going into a game that, regardless of how the players perform that particular night, that HC has an advantage at the coaching level.
Let’s face it. None of us has felt that way since the days of Ralph Willard.
The HC program deserves that. We loyal alum supporters deserve that.
We know that feeling because we have it now with Bob Chesney in our football program.
We need to find that again in our hoop program.
Mature voices on the board say to give Nelson the rest of the season and, although I personally have a bias for action, I know that is the practical and correct approach.
But if this season turns out to be another one that is truly painful to watch, a change needs to be made.
I hope we can all agree on that.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 20, 2021 23:26:59 GMT -5
Defending without help and giving up nearly 50% of the points in transition. Offense well not sure how to describe it differently than others have already How much of the would-be help is from personnel (our bigs) that simply cannot react/move well enough to provide it?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 21, 2021 1:05:28 GMT -5
Why didn't Dorsey see any action today? Is he injured or out of favor with CBN?
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