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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 12, 2022 16:51:25 GMT -5
And lots of high potential recruits
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Post by efg72 on Jul 12, 2022 17:25:49 GMT -5
Harvard's really outdoing themselves scheduling a non-scholarship Pioneer League school that just moved up from D3. Princeton is making the trek to Florida in September to play Stetson, a team they beat 63-0 last season. I just don't understand the logic of playing Pioneer League teams. The reason why the Ivies supported the PL way back when-give the Ivy league wins we took the bait and despite all the support we give it today it killed HC athletics as we knew it, wanted it …. tough to hear for many who want to think of us as Ivy League material honestly we are superior to the iviesas a complete institution and at the time they needed us way more that Brooks thought he needed them but we are who we are today if, ifs and buts were candy and nuts oh what a party we might have - Ken Beatrice WBZ and 570 in DC
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 12, 2022 17:57:25 GMT -5
Perhaps the IL is trying to support the non-scholarship nature of the other PL, the Pioneer League. They've always wanted a non scholarship FCS league of Washington Generals type teams to feast on.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 12, 2022 18:52:40 GMT -5
So to open up a can of worms why did we comply with the wishes of the ivies and not build our own path forward three or four decades ago
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 12, 2022 19:25:12 GMT -5
San Diego, a Pioneer League team, beat Harvard 31-23 in 2019, @ San Diego. Several weeks later, Harvard beat HC 31-21.
I think a reason the Ivies play Pioneer League teams is for the travel, and geographic exposure. --------------------------- And Army did play Yale @ New Haven a few years ago.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 12, 2022 19:28:56 GMT -5
Perhaps the IL is trying to support the non-scholarship nature of the other PL, the Pioneer League. They've always wanted a non scholarship FCS league of Washington Generals type teams to feast on. Exactly. Harvard loved playing San Diego but they finally lost to them a couple years back so they've moved onto what they perceive to be easier prey. Note: St. Thomas was an athletic machine in DIII so they may very well be good enough to beat Harvard by their 2nd game in 2029. And the first game of the series could be competitive. St. Thomas has aspirations to get into the Missouri Valley Conference in basketball but they wouldn't be playing in the MVFC with the Dakota schools unless they decide to offer football scholarships. They'll also be a formidable DI hockey program sooner rather than later.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 12, 2022 19:33:43 GMT -5
There's no doubting St. Thomas.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 12, 2022 19:34:07 GMT -5
San Diego, a Pioneer League team, beat Harvard 31-23 in 2019, @ San Diego. Several weeks later, Harvard beat HC 31-21. I think a reason the Ivies play Pioneer League teams is for the travel, and geographic exposure. --------------------------- And Army did play Yale @ New Haven a few years ago. That was a great game. It was in 2014 to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Yale Bowl. They brought in pretty close to a Harvard-Yale type crowd -- definitely 40K+ if not higher. And Yale won. Funny thing is a few weeks later, Army played and beat UCONN at Yankee Stadium and I was able to start a "Yale was better" chant in the LCF bleachers -- was attending with one of my best friends from the Bronx who was a captain in the Army at the time. A big opportunity lost for another game like that was the 150th anniversary of the first college football game ever played between Rutgers and Princeton in 1869. They should have arranged a game at Princeton to commemorate that.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 12, 2022 19:34:43 GMT -5
Harvard's really outdoing themselves scheduling a non-scholarship Pioneer League school that just moved up from D3. Princeton is making the trek to Florida in September to play Stetson, a team they beat 63-0 last season. I just don't understand the logic of playing Pioneer League teams. Well, Princeton has seven guys from Florida.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 12, 2022 19:36:14 GMT -5
San Diego, a Pioneer League team, beat Harvard 31-23 in 2019, @ San Diego. Several weeks later, Harvard beat HC 31-21. I think a reason the Ivies play Pioneer League teams is for the travel, and geographic exposure. --------------------------- And Army did play Yale @ New Haven a few years ago. That was a great game. It was in 2014 to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Yale Bowl. They brought in pretty close to a Harvard-Yale type crowd -- definitely 40K+ if not higher. And Yale won. Funny thing is a few weeks later, Army played and beat UCONN at Yankee Stadium and I was able to start a "Yale was better" chant in the LCF bleachers -- was attending with one of my best friends from the Bronx who was a captain in the Army at the time. A big opportunity lost for another game like that was the 150th anniversary of the first college football game ever played between Rutgers and Princeton in 1869. They should have arranged a game at Princeton to commemorate that. Princeton might have the best open air 1-AA stadium in the country.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Jul 14, 2022 16:24:36 GMT -5
Agreed. It was designed by a renown architect if I recall correctly. The stadium was filled (capacity of 28k) for the opener against Cornell in 1997. Despite good teams in recent years, there has not been another sell out or even close.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 14, 2022 18:19:20 GMT -5
Agreed. It was designed by a renown architect if I recall correctly. The stadium was filled (capacity of 28k) for the opener against Cornell in 1997. Despite good teams in recent years, there has not been another sell out or even close. Which is a disgrace honestly....Ivy League football is pretty good to watch between the top four teams.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 14, 2022 18:35:33 GMT -5
Princeton is making the trek to Florida in September to play Stetson, a team they beat 63-0 last season. I just don't understand the logic of playing Pioneer League teams. Well, Princeton has seven guys from Florida. People were baffled when West Point played North Texas a couple of times a few years back. Nice area to spread the name.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 14, 2022 19:02:23 GMT -5
Well, Princeton has seven guys from Florida. People were baffled when West Point played North Texas a couple of times a few years back. Nice area to spread the name. Why would Army playing North Texas be "baffling"? Both lower-level FCS teams, Army and Navy actively embrace long distance travel as their road games are used as a recruiting piece for the military branches as a whole, not to mention they have to bring in players from all over. And UNT is located in Dallas metro and joining the AAC next year. I actually went to a game between the two at West Point all the way back in 1997 or 1998 and I remember catching an extra point. North Texas had just moved up to I-A back then. Army did play Abilene Christian in 2020, who was just moving up from DII to FCS. Maybe this was the game some were surprised to see on schedule. Army had to play a bunch of FCS schools that year just to fill a schedule. Since most all FBS teams played conference-only schedules that fall, it was tough sledding for independents. That year Notre Dame played a full ACC schedule and gave up independence for a brief moment.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 14, 2022 19:41:09 GMT -5
Agreed. It was designed by a renown architect if I recall correctly. The stadium was filled (capacity of 28k) for the opener against Cornell in 1997. Despite good teams in recent years, there has not been another sell out or even close. Which is a disgrace honestly....Ivy League football is pretty good to watch between the top four teams. If a tree falls in the forest... By turning up their perfect noses to the FCS tournament it's hard to broaden the appeal of Ivy teams outside the IL and their three OOC opponents each year who can attach importance to the games for how the results effect their teams. As an HC fan I want the IL to be as strong as possible because it helps HC's strength of schedule. But what does a SDSU Jackrabbit fan care? If you live near an IL stadium, I agree you can watch quality FB on a nice fall afternoon.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 14, 2022 19:47:23 GMT -5
Which is a disgrace honestly....Ivy League football is pretty good to watch between the top four teams. If a tree falls in the forest... By turning up their perfect noses to the FCS tournament it's hard to broaden the appeal of Ivy teams outside the IL and their three OOC opponents each year who can attach importance to the games for how the results effect their teams. As an HC fan I want the IL to be as strong as possible because it helps HC's strength of schedule. But what does a SDSU Jackrabbit fan care? If you live near an IL stadium, I agree you can watch quality FB on a nice fall afternoon. Exactly...would think the Princeton, NJ community would be more interested in them.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 14, 2022 20:21:10 GMT -5
I looked at Rutgers schedule in 1969, the 100th anniversary (series w/Princeton lasted another 11 years).
I think we were their 10th game because they only played 9.
3 Ivies, 3 PLs (LC, LU, Colgate), Uconn, Delaware & Navy.
From that to the Big 10. What a difference a half century makes.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 14, 2022 20:49:14 GMT -5
I looked at Rutgers schedule in 1969, the 100th anniversary (series w/Princeton lasted another 11 years). I think we were their 10th game because they only played 9. I very confusing second sentence
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 14, 2022 20:59:18 GMT -5
Hepatitis year.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 15, 2022 6:29:58 GMT -5
I looked at Rutgers schedule in 1969, the 100th anniversary (series w/Princeton lasted another 11 years). I think we were their 10th game because they only played 9. 3 Ivies, 3 PLs (LC, LU, Colgate), Uconn, Delaware & Navy. From that to the Big 10. What a difference a half century makes.And they got there by.....continuing to stink at football.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 15, 2022 7:06:50 GMT -5
So to open up a can of worms why did we comply with the wishes of the ivies and not build our own path forward three or four decades ago Ivy envy and (unrequited) dreams of closer association with the Ivies. Plus it was somewhat of a money-saver to go non-schollie in football.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 15, 2022 7:23:43 GMT -5
So to open up a can of worms why did we comply with the wishes of the ivies and not build our own path forward three or four decades ago Ivy envy and (unrequited) dreams of closer association with the Ivies. Plus it was somewhat of a money-saver to go non-schollie in football. That, and let's remember that the Ivy arrangement was a much better arrangement for the likes of Lehigh, Lafayette and Bucknell who were moving up from D-II football to non-scholarship I-AA coupled with loose affiliation with the Ivy League that they didn't have prior. Fordham was moving up from club/DIII. Meanwhile, Holy Cross and Colgate already had the football relationships with the Ivies and effectively were forced to downgrade athletics across the board.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 15, 2022 9:06:24 GMT -5
HC left a perfectly good men's basketball league (the MAAC in 1990 versus the MAAC now); and on the ladies side, Gibbons' teams were never the same; also casualties of the move.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 15, 2022 18:00:19 GMT -5
HC left a perfectly good men's basketball league (the MAAC in 1990 versus the MAAC now); and on the ladies side, Gibbons' teams were never the same; also casualties of the move. How would you project our football journey if we had stayed in the MAAC?
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Post by gerry on Jul 15, 2022 19:50:10 GMT -5
Holy Cross would almost assuredly be in the CAA for all sports today if the Patriot League didn't come around. MAAC hoops until the turn if the century or whenever it was when the NCAA squashed football only conferences such as the Yankee. No way would have tolerated the brief existence of MAAC football.
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