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Post by hc87 on Nov 5, 2016 15:20:55 GMT -5
I think if HC could get away with it, they would be similar to GTown in football....thankfully we still have enough institutional memory/alums from the pre-PL days to allow that not to happen....where that takes us in the next 10-20 years though is anybody's question.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 5, 2016 15:21:10 GMT -5
From an in-game graphic: In 2013, Georgetown snapped an 8 game using streak with a win over HC. In 2014, Georgetown snapped a 6 game losing streak with a win over HC. Not mentioned was that: In 2015, HC had a blowout win over the Hoyas. and In 2016, HC wins a 1 point squeaker. OK, HC now has 2 wins in a row over Georgetown football and a 12-7 lead in the series.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 5, 2016 15:21:27 GMT -5
Regarding Wade being the QB in 2018-2019, his Senior year, after Pujals handles 2017-2018, so you want us facing BC, Yale, Dartmouth, NH and Harvard with a QB who would not have played one full season as lead QB. Good luck.
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Post by matunuck on Nov 5, 2016 15:26:44 GMT -5
Navy just beat ND. We better get in gear and make some changes or we will be humiliated in Annapolis.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 5, 2016 15:28:20 GMT -5
I think Pujals almost has to come back next year (if he wants to)....we are much, much bettah when he is at QB.
College football it is what it is....you're always going to have to replace good Seniors. that's on the coaching staff in recruiting/developing the players....
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Post by hcgrad94 on Nov 5, 2016 15:29:27 GMT -5
How many equivalencies does GU have again? A guarded secret. A number of years ago, the AGS board once had someone who claimed to have talked to a former GU assistant who said they had less than 5 equivalencies. I think that's low, but the offense is at the bottom nationally in almost every category. I bet they are in the 50-55 range. That is where most PL teams were before the change to 60. All that means is if you add up the financial need of the 90 or so Georgetown football players their total financial aid dollars equal roughly 50 equivalencies. I'm sure the GU coaching staff is targeting high-need kids who are drawn to the Georgetown education and will have to pay virtually nothing to get it. Harvard, Yale etc. do this strategically and thus have far more than the 60 equivalencies that Holy Cross offers My point is that while clearly it is an uneven playing field with Georgetown and the PL they are not that far behind us in terms of total dollars being spent on their roster, it is just based on their need and not Merit.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Nov 5, 2016 15:31:14 GMT -5
Regarding Wade being the QB in 2018-2019, his Senior year, after Pujals handles 2017-2018, so you want us facing BC, Yale, Dartmouth, NH and Harvard with a QB who would not have played one full season as lead QB. Good luck. I think a very nice problem to have would be to have two very good quarterbacks on the roster next year and hopefully well be. If you are suggesting that you would prefer for Pujals to move along you know even less about Holy Cross football than I thought you did.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 5, 2016 15:44:23 GMT -5
It's time for Holy Cross to move on with Tom Gilmore though.....someone please give me a reason why this isn't so.
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Post by gks on Nov 5, 2016 15:46:27 GMT -5
HC94 you are correct. G'Town has in the mid 50s for equivalencies. Always has. During non-scholarship days they were middle of the pack in PL.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Nov 5, 2016 15:47:26 GMT -5
It's time for Holy Cross to move on with Tom Gilmore though.....someone please give me a reason why this isn't so. Much like it's time for you to move on from your silly "evah" and "nevah."
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Post by joe on Nov 5, 2016 15:48:49 GMT -5
Regarding Wade being the QB in 2018-2019, his Senior year, after Pujals handles 2017-2018, so you want us facing BC, Yale, Dartmouth, NH and Harvard with a QB who would not have played one full season as lead QB. Good luck. [br My concern in 2018 is our opener against Colgate the week before BC. Season can be over before it begins.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 5, 2016 15:49:42 GMT -5
The number of need-based equivalencies that are on the Georgetown roster is unknown. It likely is more than 40, and probably less than 60. The PL roster cap prevents GU from replicating HYP, schools which could readily have 85 or more equivalencies.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 5, 2016 15:52:24 GMT -5
A guarded secret. A number of years ago, the AGS board once had someone who claimed to have talked to a former GU assistant who said they had less than 5 equivalencies. I think that's low, but the offense is at the bottom nationally in almost every category. I bet they are in the 50-55 range. That is where most PL teams were before the change to 60. All that means is if you add up the financial need of the 90 or so Georgetown football players their total financial aid dollars equal roughly 50 equivalencies....My point is that while clearly it is an uneven playing field with Georgetown and the PL they are not that far behind us in terms of total dollars being spent on their roster, it is just based on their need and not Merit. Fifty?? Not even close. With a $4.7 million budget, HC has 60 grants. But Georgetown's budget is $1.6 million, which includes coaching salaries (head coach salary + 7 FTE assistants) and another $400K in operating expenses . The reason the other six teams could upgrade to 60 was because they were close. Georgetown isn't even close to being close, the other schools know it, and use it in recruiting.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 5, 2016 15:54:10 GMT -5
It's time for Holy Cross to move on with Tom Gilmore though.....someone please give me a reason why this isn't so. Much like it's time for you to move on from your silly "evah" and "nevah." Nnnnahhh, nnnhaaahhh......no, it's time for you to quit covering up for the horrendous coaching that has been Tom Gilmore for the last odd years...I get it, you're probably close to him....I applaud loyalty....that being said, he's not a very good head college football coach.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Nov 5, 2016 15:54:15 GMT -5
It doesn't make any sense if you took any 90 males on the Georgetown campus and added up their total financial need my guess is it would be in the 45 to 50 equivalency range. Are you saying that somehow they hold the football team to a completely different standard and don't allow them to give need-based Aid to kids because they play football?
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Post by hc87 on Nov 5, 2016 15:59:44 GMT -5
Long story short...HC presumptively "still cares" about football and GTown does not....we should not be eking out wins against said programs.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 5, 2016 16:05:55 GMT -5
Regarding Wade being the QB in 2018-2019, his Senior year, after Pujals handles 2017-2018, so you want us facing BC, Yale, Dartmouth, NH and Harvard with a QB who would not have played one full season as lead QB. Good luck. And by the way, with Wade being a Senior in 2018-2019, in 2019-2020 we will face Syracuse, Navy, NH, Yale, Harvard and Brown with a QB with NO experience as a lead QB. I'll bet that if CTG knew he would be our coach through 2019-2020 he would have had a long talk with Mr. Pujals.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2016 16:06:13 GMT -5
Long story short...HC presumptively "still cares" about football and GTown does not....we should not be eking out wins against said programs. One major omission the Georgetown team obviously "still cares".
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2016 16:08:02 GMT -5
Regarding Wade being the QB in 2018-2019, his Senior year, after Pujals handles 2017-2018, so you want us facing BC, Yale, Dartmouth, NH and Harvard with a QB who would not have played one full season as lead QB. Good luck. And by the way, with Wade being a Senior in 2018-2019, in 2019-2020 we will face Syracuse, Navy, NH, Yale, Harvard and Brown with a QB with NO experience as a lead QB. I'll bet that if CTG knew he would be our coach through 2019-2020 he would have had a long talk with Mr. Pujals. Our football season does not span two calendar years
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 5, 2016 16:11:40 GMT -5
Wade at season start was fourth string. The second string QB, Ian Brown, never played a down because of injury. As a junior in high school, Brown led his 14-0 team to winning the Missouri class 6 champions (highest class in Missouri) throwing 30 TDs and six interceptions. Brown was supposedly offered by NDSU.
Bell was third string, his QB days are done..
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Post by hc87 on Nov 5, 2016 16:11:45 GMT -5
Long story short...HC presumptively "still cares" about football and GTown does not....we should not be eking out wins against said programs. One major omission the Georgetown team obviously "still cares". Obviously, they do...that being said, given the institutional advantages we should have, Holy Cross should beat GTown fairly handily every year. Maybe we are "stuck" where we are at right now as a program....not sure....I just don't think Gilmore raises this program from where we are right now....I just haven't seen it....
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 5, 2016 16:18:51 GMT -5
GU definitely has 50-55 equivalences. tom gilmore once told me they use 'funny math' and put the aid in another column, not athletics. i believe him they have been pretty competitive in the league for a few years now (including winning 4 of the last 6 vs. hc, before today)
some observations about today's win = 84 yards of total offense in the 2nd half. very disappointing = gilmore was outcoached at the end of the 1st half. with a little over a minute left, gu had 4th down and 1 around midfield. we had all 3 t/o's and gilmore let the clock wind down to 35 seconds and let gu punt. our offense had dominated the 1st half ! why not use a t/o there ? no way, gu was going for it. i say 'stupid'! the 1st half ends with us on their 22 yd line = GU handed us that game with the two 15 yard penalties in the 4th qtr when on both occasions we would have had to punt from deep in our territory one was sideline interference and the other a facemask. likely gu would have started a drive around midfield and their fg kicker was having a good day with our anemic offense we were staring at a 23-21 loss. we were fortunate to flip the field position and gu was stuck deep in their territory for the rest of the game
= i've seen enough of this regime. time for a change
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Post by sarasota on Nov 5, 2016 16:19:57 GMT -5
Regarding Wade being the QB in 2018, his Senior year, after Pujals handles 2017, so you want us facing BC, Yale, Dartmouth, NH and Harvard with a QB who would not have played one full season as lead QB. Good luck. And by the way, with Wade being a Senior in 2018, in 2019 we will face Syracuse, Navy, NH, Yale, Harvard and Brown with a QB with NO experience as a lead QB. I'll bet that if CTG knew he would be our coach through 2019 he would have had a long talk with Mr. Pujals. And by the way, if there is a new head coach candidate assessing the HC job he will be aware of this lousy QB planning. Hopefully it will not deter him from taking the job.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Nov 5, 2016 16:33:31 GMT -5
And by the way, with Wade being a Senior in 2018, in 2019 we will face Syracuse, Navy, NH, Yale, Harvard and Brown with a QB with NO experience as a lead QB. I'll bet that if CTG knew he would be our coach through 2019 he would have had a long talk with Mr. Pujals. And by the way, if there is a new head coach candidate assessing the HC job he will be aware of this lousy QB planning. Hopefully it will not deter him from taking the job. Vlasic you be planning that involved one of our players getting hurt against Dartmouth?
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Post by sarasota on Nov 5, 2016 17:13:38 GMT -5
That is a given. The question is what to do about it.
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