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Post by longsuffering on Mar 28, 2022 9:49:47 GMT -5
Attractive rendering. The windows are very close to the outfield fence of the softball diamond. P.C. can't recruit too many sluggers now. It looks like it could be a baseball diamond from what is shown, but I know PC dropped baseball. Would they still have such a well manicured field for a club baseball team? Softball stadium which is in the middle of campus with field turf. We have posters who can put PC on the breadline with their financial facts and figures, but that fine Institution has really soared over the last half century. In 1970 it was a peer school of Stonehill or Assumption as far as selectivity, now it is mentioned as a peer school in application crossover with HC and Fordham. And the PC Athletic staff just flew out to their sweet sixteen game in Chicago on the Patriots plane. What they are selling, the public is buying. Congratulations to the Friars.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 28, 2022 10:05:27 GMT -5
Foley, stop embarrassing yourself by by presenting subject matter about which you apparently know little. First, comparisons of land area are typically not a meaningful comparison between different colleges and universities: Mount Holyoke's land is 800 acres, Babson's 370 acres, Georgetown's 104 acres. Land typically is not part of an institution's endowment, unless it is land used for investment purpose, e.g., MIT owns land and commercial property in Kendall Square in Cambridge, which is a huge source of generated revenue. If one want's to compare two institutions financial condition and include the value of the land that each institution owns, the measure for that is total net assets, which includes the value of St. Peter's land and the value of its endowment. St., Peter's does not publish its annual financial statements, so one has to find IRS Form 990s on the web, typically published by a third party. For St. Peter's, the 990 form for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2017, reveals a net assets value of $52 million. Holy Cross' net asset value on June 30, 2021, was $1.618 billion, $389 million of which was land and buildings. That is not the replacement value of buildings, but the depreciated value. Many buildings on an older campus are fully depreciated, i.e., their value from an accounting standpoint is $0. Depreciation is carried as an operating expense. In the year ending June 30, 2021, Holy Cross' depreciation expense was $18+ million, this represents the decreasing value of newer buildings on campus. . I wish I could get credit for taking a course when I read your posts. 370 acres in Wellesley, MA is Jed Clampett money. But 104 acres in Washington, DC might be worth more. Which would you estimate is more valuable? Georgetown's land has almost zero current value, relatively speaking. I believe most of the campus is on land acquired in the late 18th Century, There is some property to the immediate east of the main campus that was acquired much later, and the land for the law school, which has a mid 20th Century valuation. Babson's 370 acres would be calculated at the fair value of the land at the time of the gift. In December 2021, Holy Cross bought 52 College (IIRc the street number) for $600,000. The appraised land value for that property far far exceeds what Fr. Fitton paid for the land on Pakachoag Hill 175+ years ago. The developer who bought two parcels of vacant land on Kendig St. next to the Hart in December 2021 paid $300,000 for about a third of an acre. Next to Georgetown University, Harvard, with about 28 acres, is the second largest property owner in Georgetown. (St. Peter's University owns 30 acres of land according to Foley.) Harvard's property was gifted much later, and Harvard subsequently purchased and continues to buy property outside the boundaries of the original gift. I daresay Harvard's land in Georgetown has a higher value from an accounting standpoint, than Georgetown University's land. www.doaks.org/about
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Post by hcpride on Mar 28, 2022 10:43:50 GMT -5
I have a ready explanation as to why Asian numbers may be ‘small’ at our particular Catholic and strictly liberal arts institution, The College of the Holy Cross ✝️. Beyond that, which schools do you consider our peer institutions? (I’m actually curious because that has been a source of much discussion.) To the extent this reveals peers, and perhaps it doesn’t, I’d guess Fordham and PC have the most similar populations from an academic standpoint amongst our significant applicant schools. St, Mary's College (CA) 'The Gael' Ethnic diversity of fall 2020 undergraduate first-year students: Minority*: 55.8% Under-represented Minority (UREM)**: 41.9% White: 38.9% Hispanic/Latino: 30.7% Asian: 15.6% African American/Black: 5.6% Native American: 1.6% Hawaiian/Pacific Islander: 3.0% International: 2.8% Notre Dame's 2021 entering class is 7.6 percent Asian, about 155 Asians in a class of 2,050. Holy Cross' 2020 entering class was about 2.5 percent Asian. news.nd.edu/news/class-of-2021-intellectually-and-globally-diverse-dedicated-to-service-and-leadership/ Similarly irrelevant to our particular Catholic (College of the Holy Cross ✝️) and strictly liberal arts institution, Georgetown has a claimed Asian population of 7.8% - remarkably similar to Notre Dame’s 7.6 %. Stanford, BTW, is at least 22% Asian. And another unsurprising (to me) nugget, Stony Brook University has over 7,500 undergraduate Asians comprising 42.2% of the undergraduates. www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/irpe/fact_book/data_and_reports/_files/enrollment/FallbyMultiRaceEthnicity.pdf In many schools, Asians are not considered URMs.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 28, 2022 13:39:47 GMT -5
Could it be she was trying desperately to avoid trendiness and trying to hold onto the traditional approach which made HC great. As her numbers declined nationally, she turned to the safety of the Commonwealth. Or, maybe she burnt out. Or, possibly she did as well as anyone could. Or... Good time to draw a line in the sand in terms of in state/out-of-state enrollment now that the pandemic is finally over (or at least should be).
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Post by timholycross on Mar 28, 2022 13:49:02 GMT -5
What does BU own in terms of land? Hard to tell where that campus starts and where it ends. I do know that the Braves moving out of Boston gave them a golden opportunity to expand their campus; which they smartly followed up on. +
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 28, 2022 13:53:53 GMT -5
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Post by matunuck on Mar 28, 2022 21:27:26 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Mar 29, 2022 5:28:13 GMT -5
Always good to see some rational and independent thought from one or another of our very finest institutions. I found the footnotes to be rather enlightening.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 29, 2022 7:41:30 GMT -5
A look at what BC was doing in broadening its outreach during Ann's 40 year tenure in Admissions, not all of those years were as Director Boston College Freshmen Enrollees by State , selected years
State | 1979-80 | 1989-90 | 1999-2000 | 2009-2010 | 2020-21 | MA | 992 | 655 | 550 | 490 | 513 | NY | 298 | 310 | 364 | 329 | 364 | FL | 20 | 45 | 64 | 73 | 62 | TX | 3 | 36 | 26 | 29 | 58 | CA | 8 | 43 | 108 | 135 | 192 | IL | 47 | 35 | 61 | 68 | 87 | Foreign | 40 | 89 | 53 | 103 | 214 | Total | 2171 | 2127 | 2284 | 2172 | 2408 |
The drop in 2009-2910 enrollees in 2009-10 from MA and NY may reflect the Great Recession. The earliest year for geographic data for BC is for the class entering in the fall of 1972. MA 1162 (52 percent of the enrolling class) Boston 214 Dorchester 46 Other New England states 321 NY 288 FL 18 TX 0 CA 5 IL 28 Foreign 13 Total 2229
MA residents comprised 46 percent of the class entering in the fall of 1979, 21 percent of those entering in the fall of 2020. Perhaps Ann's approach in 2020 and 2021 was that HC would pick up those MA residents rejected by BC.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 29, 2022 15:36:51 GMT -5
I'm sure the percentage of entering students in 1969, the year I graduated from high school, was quite comparable to 1972.
One thing I can tell you is that living in Framingham; had I chose BC it meant living at home at least for 2 of the 4 years; there simply wasn't enough housing there at the time. The acceptance percentage skewed towards Mass. residents was more or less a necessity until they built more dorms; and the place wasn't financially stable in those days (neither was HC, but HC had already built a decent amount of housing).
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 29, 2022 21:28:15 GMT -5
I'm sure the percentage of entering students in 1969, the year I graduated from high school, was quite comparable to 1972. One thing I can tell you is that living in Framingham; had I chose BC it meant living at home at least for 2 of the 4 years; there simply wasn't enough housing there at the time. The acceptance percentage skewed towards Mass. residents was more or less a necessity until they built more dorms; and the place wasn't financially stable in those days (neither was HC, but HC had already built a decent amount of housing). My brother lived off campus in Brighton as a seventeen year old freshman in a BC coordinated student apartment. Before that opened up he had been provided a list of mostly widows who were taking students in to help make ends meet. Then he moved into the "Mods" Temporary modular housing that BC threw up to last a few semesters but actually lasted for decades. Much less direct monitoring of young adults than HC provided.
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Post by higheredguy on Mar 30, 2022 9:30:52 GMT -5
A student I advised on applying told me they got accepted (yay) and that the email indicated they received right above 7,000 applications.
As many of us have noted, there is no good reason for this lower number except for Anne's past mistakes that need to be corrected.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 30, 2022 10:12:17 GMT -5
Is "yield" an important measure as well? Doesn't it measure, to a degree, whether the people who are accepted actually want to attend the college? Do we know how our yield has changed over the years?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 30, 2022 10:59:09 GMT -5
For HC's class entering fall of 2018, 38% of applicants were accepted, yield (of the accepted) was 32.4%
For the class entering fall of 2019, 34.2% of applicants were accepted, yield was 33.6 percent.
For the class entering fall of 2020, (yield values are skewed because of accepted applicants taking a gap year), 37.9% of applicants accepted, 27.3% yield.
For the class entering fall of 2021, 43% acceptance rate, yield rate of 29%. (<<< values are not from the Common Data set, which HC has yet to publish). ________________________________________
Bates College for the class entering fall of 2021 7319 applied, 17.3% accepted, yield of 43.6%.
Lafayette College for the class entering fall of 2021 8262 applied, 40.7% accepted, yield of 23.2% Lafayette College for the class entering fall of 2022, 10,480 applications.
Colby College, 16,891 applications for the class of 2026.
BC, 40,477 applications for a projected class of 2,300. Comparing to BC and adjusting for class size,, HC should have had about 13,500 applications for its class of 2026.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Mar 31, 2022 16:23:58 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Apr 1, 2022 5:37:38 GMT -5
Is "yield" an important measure as well? Doesn't it measure, to a degree, whether the people who are accepted actually want to attend the college? Do we know how our yield has changed over the years? 1. Admitting a large percentage of the projected class (size) via Early Decision (I and II) is the surest way to favorably shape yield. (HC does this and this is yet another reason why ED applicants are prized.) 2. Leaning very heavily on ‘demonstrated interest’ for regular admissions is a way to favorably shape the yield stat for regular admits. (HC does this and was an early practitioner). I do think the first -and to a lesser extent the second- explain our relatively high-ish yield stats (v some other admission stats that are a bit disappointing).
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Post by hcpride on Apr 2, 2022 5:57:24 GMT -5
Recently announced admit rates from this admissions cycle: Bucknell 25%, 34 % last year. Colgate 12%, 17% last year. Fordham 53%, 58% last year Hopefully we aren’t bucking the above trend. FWIW Georgetown 12%, Notre Dame 13%, Boston College 16%, Villanova 23%. Many more (not HC) schools are on the site and one can easily view last year and the previous year too. www.collegekickstart.com/blog/item/class-of-2026-admission-results
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Post by matunuck on Apr 21, 2022 14:37:13 GMT -5
April 21 and still crickets on our admissions numbers — as usual.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 21, 2022 16:28:54 GMT -5
Holy Cross is never shy announcing good news.
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Post by hcpride on May 6, 2022 5:19:46 GMT -5
Two cycles ago we had 542 Early Decision applicants and selected 413. 76% ED selection rate.
Last cycle (and this is according to the recently published 2021-2022 College Data Set) we had 362 ED applicants and accepted 296. 82% ED selection rate.
This cycle’s numbers have yet to be revealed. Hopefully we regained our footing in this regard (by attracting more ED applications and perhaps lowering our ED rate).
(Beyond the mo$t obviou$ advantage, filling class slots with ED applicants pays HUGE dividends in key stats such as acceptance rate and other stats such as yield.)
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Post by mm67 on May 6, 2022 6:49:18 GMT -5
ED certainly is an effective tool used to game the rankings. Guess HC needs to up its game?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 13, 2022 6:13:10 GMT -5
Kit Hughes said that the class of 2026 is a "large" class, without elaborating further. That may indicate a high yield.
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Post by sader1970 on May 13, 2022 7:34:03 GMT -5
Pretty sure he actually said that there was a very high yield. Of course, that's a relative term. And, he's in athletics, not admissions.
When/if they post the link to the webinar which was recorded, which they almost always do, I will post - unless Phreek or others beat me to it. They recognize that a lot of PC members either don't get a chance to watch live or forget to watch. Often useful to watch a second time to catch things you miss the first go-round, especially since Kit is a "fast talker."
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Post by rgs318 on May 13, 2022 8:42:35 GMT -5
sader1970, that would be much appreciated. I could not get to a computer due to a visit to a couple of our friends.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 13, 2022 9:07:52 GMT -5
Pretty sure he actually said that there was a very high yield. Of course, that's a relative term. And, he's in athletics, not admissions. When/if they post the link to the webinar which was recorded, which they almost always do, I will post - unless Phreek or others beat me to it. They recognize that a lot of PC members either don't get a chance to watch live or forget to watch. Often useful to watch a second time to catch things you miss the first go-round, especially since Kit is a "fast talker." I missed what he said about the rink, as my audio broke up just at that moment, -- other than he talked briefly about the rink.
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