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Post by higheredguy on Jun 2, 2022 10:10:56 GMT -5
More importantly (IMHO), they need to do an analysis about what caused the greater yield and is it likely to continue or an anomaly. Hopefully, they do surveys every year to ask the incoming first year students what factors were in play when they made their decision to go to HC. Right now, it's data. Need to convert it into useful information. Haven't given it as much thought as I could but assume yield is a zero sum game in that if a student accepts and attends Holy Cross, that's one less student going to another school whether accepted elsewhere or not. What's changed? Our first-ever, non-Jesuit, lay, minority president. Super successful football team. First women's basketball PL champion team in ages. PPAC almost on-line and Jo cranking along. Anyone else come up with some other obvious changes? Oh, yeah, the announced Fauci Integrated Science Complex. ( ). Change to the leadership and staff in the Admissions Office perhaps? 🤔😊 I think this has to be a factor.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 2, 2022 10:13:59 GMT -5
We always had plenty of applicants to more than fill our slots. And could have always taken more to grow. That was never an issue.
This year’s problem is that more of the kids chose HC after the acceptances went out than we anticipated. Did more get rejected from their first choices? Were we the first choice of more kids regardless of their other acceptances? Did some admissions initiatives bear (too much) fruit? A thousand overlapping possibilities.
Figuring out why this occurred and implementing some tweaks (if deemed necessary) for next cycle is doubtlessly an admissions priority.
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 2, 2022 10:21:44 GMT -5
Hey, this is generally a sports forum - with this size class I’m thinking that we may have more non-schollie athletes arriving to help our Olympic-minor sports teams many of which are in need
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 3, 2022 5:39:43 GMT -5
More importantly (IMHO), they need to do an analysis about what caused the greater yield and is it likely to continue or an anomaly. Hopefully, they do surveys every year to ask the incoming first year students what factors were in play when they made their decision to go to HC. Right now, it's data. Need to convert it into useful information. Haven't given it as much thought as I could but assume yield is a zero sum game in that if a student accepts and attends Holy Cross, that's one less student going to another school whether accepted elsewhere or not. What's changed? Our first-ever, non-Jesuit, lay, minority president. Super successful football team. First women's basketball PL champion team in ages. PPAC almost on-line and Jo cranking along. Anyone else come up with some other obvious changes? Oh, yeah, the announced Fauci Integrated Science Complex. ( ). What changed? 1.) Outreach. Fewer admits from MA and New England. More from the Mid-Atlantic and the South. Apparently, Ann's approach to outreach was to focus on 800 high schools. If you attended one of the 800 schools, you were 'contacted' by Holy Cross. If you didn't, you had to initiate the contact. In the first year of the COVID epidemic, HC admissions staff couldn't visit; students were attending school virtually. The outreach model imploded, and the result was a class heavily concentrated in New England and Massachusetts, and disproportionately white (compared to recent previous classes and the class of 2026.) Ann seemed to have difficulty accepting that the geographic demographic on which she was focused was shrinking. The well was drying up. (I have a great suspicion that the more selective schools (even test-optional schools) use[d] PSAT test scores to identify students that they contacted by mail, inviting them to consider applying, but Holy Cross did not.) 2.) Fin Aid. The increase in the endowment and the Williams Match has bumped up the amount of fin aid being offered. It is important to note that the number of applicants for 2026 is only 7,000 or so, which is in the ballpark for most recent years. The big difference is the yield, which hints that that the applicant pool is different. According to HC, the class of 2026 has a significantly higher percentage of academic high-achievers than classes last decade.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 3, 2022 5:53:22 GMT -5
They will get a bit of melt, The number I heard seemed more in the 910-920 range. Even a hundred more students than expected equates to 10 additional faculty. They need to get the Jesuits out of Ciampi post-haste. At the baccalaureate mass, I counted eight, plus Fr. B. IIR, Ciampi is about 34,000 square feet, And they need to start construction of a second new residence hall post-haste as well. The new hall with construction starting this month was intended as swing space while they renovated the Easy St. dorms. The melt makes sense. I'm sure some students were encouraged to take a gap year to try to accommodate the increase. As you said, the school has a housing crisis on its hands much like the rest of the state. Ciampi needs to be converted to student housing. The cityview housing should help. I've heard rumors of plans for a new Jesuit residence? Is there any truth to this? Construction of the new Jesuit residence was deferred by the pandemic, when HC suspended on non-critical spending on facilities because revenue tanked. If not for the pandemic, it would be open by now. Ciampi, reconfigured, can hold 75+ students. The new residence hall and Ciampi combined allowed them to close one Easy St. dorm a year for reconstruction. Closing Brooks, because of its size, would require another new residence hall be built. The new campus plan that Sasaki is preparing should address, Ciampi, the new Jesuit residence, additional new residence hall(s), and the reconstruction timetable for the Easy St dorms.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 3, 2022 7:18:09 GMT -5
With any luck our Early Decision number rebounded from last year so we were selecting RD for significantly less slots than last year.
I’d be interested in knowing if the overage on the RD enrollees skews in terms of region or gender or financial aid or academic merit aid. The experts in our admissions office will have to analyze to determine if tweaks are necessary next cycle to prevent another misfire.
(Last year we had 819 kids [Class of 2025] ultimately enroll and we’ll see if the class of 2026 winds up with 900 or more come late August.)
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Post by matunuck on Jun 3, 2022 7:20:14 GMT -5
The melt makes sense. I'm sure some students were encouraged to take a gap year to try to accommodate the increase. As you said, the school has a housing crisis on its hands much like the rest of the state. Ciampi needs to be converted to student housing. The cityview housing should help. I've heard rumors of plans for a new Jesuit residence? Is there any truth to this? Construction of the new Jesuit residence was deferred by the pandemic, when HC suspended on non-critical spending on facilities because revenue tanked. If not for the pandemic, it would be open by now. Ciampi, reconfigured, can hold 75+ students. The new residence hall and Ciampi combined allowed them to close one Easy St. dorm a year for reconstruction. Closing Brooks, because of its size, would require another new residence hall be built. The new campus plan that Sasaki is preparing should address, Ciampi, the new Jesuit residence, additional new residence hall(s), and the reconstruction timetable for the Easy St dorms. Exterior of Hogan included in this new plan?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 3, 2022 8:54:57 GMT -5
Construction of the new Jesuit residence was deferred by the pandemic, when HC suspended on non-critical spending on facilities because revenue tanked. If not for the pandemic, it would be open by now. Ciampi, reconfigured, can hold 75+ students. The new residence hall and Ciampi combined allowed them to close one Easy St. dorm a year for reconstruction. Closing Brooks, because of its size, would require another new residence hall be built. The new campus plan that Sasaki is preparing should address, Ciampi, the new Jesuit residence, additional new residence hall(s), and the reconstruction timetable for the Easy St dorms. Exterior of Hogan included in this new plan? Sasaki was asked for ideas on reconfiguring how Hogan is used. Performing Arts is abandoning most of O'Kane, so there is 'now' space there. And Rougeau talks about 21st Century academic classrooms, whatever that means.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 3, 2022 9:18:30 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 3, 2022 9:36:06 GMT -5
Those elements were used by our church in creating office/classroom space in a new extension. The technology in the classroom space looks like it could be used to launch a space shuttle. The result can be impressive.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 3, 2022 9:39:08 GMT -5
More importantly (IMHO), they need to do an analysis about what caused the greater yield and is it likely to continue or an anomaly. Hopefully, they do surveys every year to ask the incoming first year students what factors were in play when they made their decision to go to HC. Right now, it's data. Need to convert it into useful information. Haven't given it as much thought as I could but assume yield is a zero sum game in that if a student accepts and attends Holy Cross, that's one less student going to another school whether accepted elsewhere or not. What's changed? Our first-ever, non-Jesuit, lay, minority president. Super successful football team. First women's basketball PL champion team in ages. PPAC almost on-line and Jo cranking along. Anyone else come up with some other obvious changes? Oh, yeah, the announced Fauci Integrated Science Complex. ( ). What changed? 1.) Outreach. Fewer admits from MA and New England. More from the Mid-Atlantic and the South. Apparently, Ann's approach to outreach was to focus on 800 high schools. If you attended one of the 800 schools, you were 'contacted' by Holy Cross. If you didn't, you had to initiate the contact. In the first year of the COVID epidemic, HC admissions staff couldn't visit; students were attending school virtually. The outreach model imploded, and the result was a class heavily concentrated in New England and Massachusetts, and disproportionately white (compared to recent previous classes and the class of 2026.) Ann seemed to have difficulty accepting that the geographic demographic on which she was focused was shrinking. The well was drying up. (I have a great suspicion that the more selective schools (even test-optional schools) use[d] PSAT test scores to identify students that they contacted by mail, inviting them to consider applying, but Holy Cross did not.) 2.) Fin Aid. The increase in the endowment and the Williams Match has bumped up the amount of fin aid being offered. It is important to note that the number of applicants for 2026 is only 7,000 or so, which is in the ballpark for most recent years. The big difference is the yield, which hints that that the applicant pool is different. According to HC, the class of 2026 has a significantly higher percentage of academic high-achievers than classes last decade. I can confirm that PSAT test scores to identify students were not used to contact students. I saw this first hand when my daughter was going through the college admissions process. She attended a highly regarded Catholic High School in New England. The overwhelming majority of her classmates in the honors program were never contacted by HC. I had discussions with one of the guidance counselors at the school, whose husband and two brother in laws were HC Alumni to confirm. In 2000 and again several years later, I had a discussion with a prominent member of the Board of Trustees regarding this gap in the HC admissions process. He said he would look into it. When I saw him again regarding this issue, he obfuscated his reply to me and shuffled his feet and walked away. Another lame excuse was used by a member of the administration when I questioned the poor performance in the number of applications that were submitted on a yearly basis. Clearly, the use of proper Data Mining by using the PSAT to identify students were not being used by the staff and leadership of the Admissions Office.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 3, 2022 10:02:05 GMT -5
Those elements were used by our church in creating office/classroom space in a new extension. The technology in the classroom space looks like it could be used to launch a space shuttle. The result can be impressive. You would be even more impressed by the redesigns regarding workspace, conference rooms and classrooms that have been made to some of the leading companies in the private sector. Before the pandemic, and every one was working on location for the majority of the time, I was working for a company that initiated a complete renovation and restacking of their corporate headquarters complex of buildings. All conference rooms were built with the latest wireless technology regarding telemetry, security and entry. All white boards were replaced with smart boards, with access being allowed to display by everyone involved in both audio and video components. Each room had a reservation control panel that displayed who had reserved the conference room and their times. It it is definitely past time that many of the classrooms that have been used for well over the last half to three quarters of a century, be completely gutted and built on 21st Century technology.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 3, 2022 17:58:03 GMT -5
repeating from a post upthread of an interview with Ann in 2019.
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 9, 2022 12:20:29 GMT -5
Does anyone have the expected gender breakdown for the class of 2026 ? What is the breakdown of the overall student body now ?
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Post by hcpride on Jun 10, 2022 5:25:10 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Jun 10, 2022 7:31:47 GMT -5
Pretty typical. Nationally 57% of undergrads are women. As to a few schools regularly discussed on Crossports, here are the most recent percentage of women: Villanova--55% BC--53% ND--49% Colgate--55% UMass--51% Bucknell --52%
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Post by hcpride on Jun 10, 2022 8:33:49 GMT -5
Pretty typical. Nationally 57% of undergrads are women. As to a few schools regularly discussed on Crossports, here are the most recent percentage of women: Villanova--55% BC--53% ND--49% Colgate--55% UMass--51% Bucknell --52% Yes. And Providence College has an identical 45-55 split while Fordham is 41-59 (but this year’s frosh were 35-65 !)
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jun 10, 2022 8:48:10 GMT -5
Bringing back some unpleasant memories.
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Post by alum on Jun 10, 2022 9:01:13 GMT -5
Pretty typical. Nationally 57% of undergrads are women. As to a few schools regularly discussed on Crossports, here are the most recent percentage of women: Villanova--55% BC--53% ND--49% Colgate--55% UMass--51% Bucknell --52% Yes. And Providence College has an identical 45-55 split while Fordham is 41-59 (but this year’s frosh were 35-65 !)Guys don't want to go to Fordham after seeing Sluka manhandle them last year?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 10, 2022 9:01:43 GMT -5
Lehigh would have a higher % of men due to engineering majors
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Post by HC92 on Jun 18, 2022 14:49:28 GMT -5
Of the 173 students who attended the 2 day Gateways orientation the past two days, below is the state breakdown. This was one of three such sessions. Keep in mind these numbers will skew toward the more local students as those from far away will not be able to attend as easily. There were also very few, if any, varsity athletes in attendance. Athletes are probably more geographically diverse than the non-athletes.
CT 12 DC 2 FL 1 GA 5 IL 6 MA 78 MD 6 ME 3 MN 2 NH 8 NJ 10 NY 26 OH 1 PA 4 RI 6 TX 1 VT 1 DR 1
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Post by matunuck on Jun 18, 2022 15:11:14 GMT -5
Many thanks. I'm still waiting for the stats for the Class of 2026.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 18, 2022 15:50:31 GMT -5
The breakdown of women to men was about 56-44.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 19, 2022 8:13:20 GMT -5
Of the 173 students who attended the 2 day Gateways orientation the past two days, below is the state breakdown. This was one of three such sessions. Keep in mind these numbers will skew toward the more local students as those from far away will not be able to attend as easily. There were also very few, if any, varsity athletes in attendance. Athletes are probably more geographically diverse than the non-athletes. CT 12 DC 2 FL 1 GA 5 IL 6 MA 78 MD 6 ME 3 MN 2 NH 8 NJ 10 NY 26 OH 1 PA 4 RI 6 TX 1 VT 1 DR 1 If the class is 920 or thereabouts, 173 represents 19 percent of the class. A rumor, apparently arising at a recent golf tournament at Cape Cod, was that HC was increasing total enrollment to 4,000 or thereabouts, and that the class of 2026 represented the first increment of the increase. Not to be believed.
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Post by matunuck on Jun 19, 2022 8:51:41 GMT -5
Our primary objective in the near term should be to deepen and broaden our application pool.
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