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Post by hcpride on May 20, 2022 9:31:39 GMT -5
Does anyone know if there will be triples or even quads in the fall? I was told numbers were closing in on 1,000 this year for the incoming class. Thx. There are misfires and then there are bad misfires. If we were looking for 800 and wound up with 1,000 that would be a bad misfire. Housing issues would be one unfortunate result.
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Post by matunuck on May 20, 2022 9:47:37 GMT -5
I'd much rather have a big miss on yield on the up side rather than have it come in below the expected rate.
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Post by hcpride on May 20, 2022 9:56:55 GMT -5
I'd much rather have a big miss on yield on the up side rather than have it come in below the expected rate. I’m sure they are already brainstorming what went wrong with their projections. (With a good-sized waitlist the impact of a reasonable miss on the short side is VERY nicely addressed.) www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/waitlist-statistics
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Post by matunuck on May 20, 2022 9:59:58 GMT -5
An increasing yield is a good sign, if sustained.
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Post by hcpride on May 20, 2022 10:08:57 GMT -5
An increasing yield is a good sign, if sustained. In that sense, yes. (I was referencing the impact this year of a large overage showing up…if, in fact, that is the case).
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Post by purplehaze on May 20, 2022 10:16:20 GMT -5
Where will they park the prefab apartments ? might not be enough room to squeeze such an overflow number into triples and quads
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Post by matunuck on May 20, 2022 10:18:00 GMT -5
Completely agree, Hcpride --
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 20, 2022 16:59:42 GMT -5
Does anyone know if there will be triples or even quads in the fall? I was told numbers were closing in on 1,000 this year for the incoming class. Thx. AFAIK, the class of 2026 is not enrolling 1,000 students. The class will be the largest in history, but a yield that was 15 percent better than for 2025 did not happen. The class of 2025 had about 800 students. The class of 2024 was an undersized class because of COVID, and admitted students taking a gap year. It is likely that upperclassmen will be offered lodging in apartments in downtown Worcester, that HC has leased before. The number of beds available on-campus is also dependent on the number of juniors who are studying abroad, or studying in NY and DC.
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Post by HC92 on May 21, 2022 5:25:02 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure I was told before all the admissions decisions were made that HC would not be doing forced triples any longer. Wish I could remember where I heard that. Sounds like it may not be true any longer.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 21, 2022 5:53:42 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure I was told before all the admissions decisions were made that HC would not be doing forced triples any longer. Wish I could remember where I heard that. Sounds like it may not be true any longer. In the first months of COVID, HC and other colleges and universities decided, as a policy, that there would be no more triples. (I don't think there were any quadruples at that point.) To my knowledge, this continues to be the college's policy, and the building of new residence halls and renovation of existing halls will reflect that. A metric that the college seeks to meet is a 10:1 student / faculty teaching ratio. More students on campus than you planned for could lead the collage to scramble to hire additional faculty. The conversion of Ciampi to a student residence would yield another 75+ beds. Presently, each Jesuit living in Ciampi has the equivalent of over 3,000 sq ft of space. I do not know whether any of the houses that HC is demolishing on City View in several weeks housed students.
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Post by higheredguy on May 30, 2022 17:53:59 GMT -5
HC has a total of around 940 students entering the newest class this fall.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 30, 2022 18:12:14 GMT -5
Wow- huge class- that really changes the school
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Post by longsuffering on May 30, 2022 18:37:13 GMT -5
Mystery meat will be rationed.
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Post by higheredguy on May 30, 2022 19:21:03 GMT -5
Wow- huge class- that really changes the school Yes, of course, the number could lower. But an administrator at the school floated me this number in response to a question I had about housing. It appears triples and quads are back for the underclassmen dorms. This is a good sign of growth, but it does force the school to take several actions. Housing needs to be solved - bringing back triples, new housing developments, study abroad, and off campus all help in this regard although I'm sure it's a tough balancing act. Another issue is that the school needs to hire a bunch of faculty to meet their 10:1 student faculty ratio - something I am sure the school is keen not to lose.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 2, 2022 5:53:47 GMT -5
Wow- huge class- that really changes the school Yes, of course, the number could lower. But an administrator at the school floated me this number in response to a question I had about housing. It appears triples and quads are back for the underclassmen dorms. This is a good sign of growth, but it does force the school to take several actions. Housing needs to be solved - bringing back triples, new housing developments, study abroad, and off campus all help in this regard although I'm sure it's a tough balancing act. Another issue is that the school needs to hire a bunch of faculty to meet their 10:1 student faculty ratio - something I am sure the school is keen not to lose. They will get a bit of melt, The number I heard seemed more in the 910-920 range. Even a hundred more students than expected equates to 10 additional faculty. They need to get the Jesuits out of Ciampi post-haste. At the baccalaureate mass, I counted eight, plus Fr. B. IIR, Ciampi is about 34,000 square feet, And they need to start construction of a second new residence hall post-haste as well. The new hall with construction starting this month was intended as swing space while they renovated the Easy St. dorms.
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Post by matunuck on Jun 2, 2022 6:32:03 GMT -5
June 2 and we still wait for actual admissions stats for the incoming class. Meanwhile, our admissions page still highlights admissions stats from two years ago.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 2, 2022 6:41:30 GMT -5
Sometimes it seems HC is run like a "Ma' & Pa' grocery store." It makes one wonder.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 2, 2022 7:22:26 GMT -5
Perhaps TPTB wish to model a successful small business...emphasis on "small."
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 2, 2022 7:27:24 GMT -5
HC's goal for the class of 2026 was to admit a slightly smaller class [class of 2025 was 821], and admit more transfer students. HC expected that yield would grow by about three percent, instead it grew by over seven percent. The yield was the highest in recent history.
The yield for the class of 2025 was 29.5 percent. The yield for 2026 is about 37 percent.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 2, 2022 7:54:35 GMT -5
I have to think it’s good when your yield improves by 25% as ours did
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 2, 2022 8:14:33 GMT -5
More importantly (IMHO), they need to do an analysis about what caused the greater yield and is it likely to continue or an anomaly. Hopefully, they do surveys every year to ask the incoming first year students what factors were in play when they made their decision to go to HC. Right now, it's data. Need to convert it into useful information. Haven't given it as much thought as I could but assume yield is a zero sum game in that if a student accepts and attends Holy Cross, that's one less student going to another school whether accepted elsewhere or not. What's changed? Our first-ever, non-Jesuit, lay, minority president. Super successful football team. First women's basketball PL champion team in ages. PPAC almost on-line and Jo cranking along. Anyone else come up with some other obvious changes? Oh, yeah, the announced Fauci Integrated Science Complex. ( ).
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Post by HC92 on Jun 2, 2022 8:17:41 GMT -5
More importantly (IMHO), they need to do an analysis about what caused the greater yield and is it likely to continue or an anomaly. Hopefully, they do surveys every year to ask the incoming first year students what factors were in play when they made their decision to go to HC. Right now, it's data. Need to convert it into useful information. Haven't given it as much thought as I could but assume yield is a zero sum game in that if a student accepts and attends Holy Cross, that's one less student going to another school whether accepted elsewhere or not. What's changed? Our first-ever, non-Jesuit, lay, minority president. Super successful football team. First women's basketball PL champion team in ages. PPAC almost on-line and Jo cranking along. Anyone else come up with some other obvious changes? Oh, yeah, the announced Fauci Integrated Science Complex. ( ). The glass half empty option would be that we admitted students who had less good other options than in prior years.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 2, 2022 9:06:58 GMT -5
More importantly (IMHO), they need to do an analysis about what caused the greater yield and is it likely to continue or an anomaly. Hopefully, they do surveys every year to ask the incoming first year students what factors were in play when they made their decision to go to HC. Right now, it's data. Need to convert it into useful information. Haven't given it as much thought as I could but assume yield is a zero sum game in that if a student accepts and attends Holy Cross, that's one less student going to another school whether accepted elsewhere or not. What's changed? Our first-ever, non-Jesuit, lay, minority president. Super successful football team. First women's basketball PL champion team in ages. PPAC almost on-line and Jo cranking along. Anyone else come up with some other obvious changes? Oh, yeah, the announced Fauci Integrated Science Complex. ( ). Change to the leadership and staff in the Admissions Office perhaps? 🤔😊
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 2, 2022 9:34:33 GMT -5
Another thing to check would be what courses of study the incoming students pursue. Exaggerating for effect: if we found that we had 200 theatre arts majors in this incoming class versus 25 average in prior classes we might be led to believe that the Performing Arts Center was a key difference maker.
Agree 100% that we should be surveying incoming students to see why they chose HC
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Post by higheredguy on Jun 2, 2022 10:09:36 GMT -5
Yes, of course, the number could lower. But an administrator at the school floated me this number in response to a question I had about housing. It appears triples and quads are back for the underclassmen dorms. This is a good sign of growth, but it does force the school to take several actions. Housing needs to be solved - bringing back triples, new housing developments, study abroad, and off campus all help in this regard although I'm sure it's a tough balancing act. Another issue is that the school needs to hire a bunch of faculty to meet their 10:1 student faculty ratio - something I am sure the school is keen not to lose. They will get a bit of melt, The number I heard seemed more in the 910-920 range. Even a hundred more students than expected equates to 10 additional faculty. They need to get the Jesuits out of Ciampi post-haste. At the baccalaureate mass, I counted eight, plus Fr. B. IIR, Ciampi is about 34,000 square feet, And they need to start construction of a second new residence hall post-haste as well. The new hall with construction starting this month was intended as swing space while they renovated the Easy St. dorms. The melt makes sense. I'm sure some students were encouraged to take a gap year to try to accommodate the increase. As you said, the school has a housing crisis on its hands much like the rest of the state. Ciampi needs to be converted to student housing. The cityview housing should help. I've heard rumors of plans for a new Jesuit residence? Is there any truth to this?
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