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Post by HC92 on Dec 18, 2022 22:54:57 GMT -5
It is an absolute travesty to the the long legacy of HC dating back to the founding that Jake Dobbs will graduate with a double major in Economics and Religious Studies in Dec 2023 instead of just a single major in May 2023. I know. Going to be tossing and turning all night worrying about it. |
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 18, 2022 22:56:55 GMT -5
Paul is an absolute dude. 5’11/6’0 170-175 can play CB or S. Both quicks and top end sprinter speed. Ball hawk.
FBS offers to GA Southern (de-committed) UCONN, App State and all 3 service academies
FCS offers to Mercer (OV’d), FAMU (visited), Furman, Tenn St, Lehigh and now HC
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 18, 2022 22:59:35 GMT -5
Was he on campus or will this be for a potential signing during the second period 2nd signing period. Not on campus |
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Post by mm67 on Dec 18, 2022 23:05:09 GMT -5
Crucis #1. Appreciate your comment. Try to read more carefully and you would have seen that I did not bring up NESCAC first. I made my comment about Amherst & NESCAC in response to an earlier mention of NESCAC by another poster.
You mention all the stuff about rankings. Very obsessive. Very superficial. The largely discredited commercial USNWR,etc. tell us nothing about the quality of education, the classroom learning experience, the rigor, the quality of the work. Nor do rankings measure the on-campus learning environment. Also the numbers are manipulated by the schools to game the system and improve their ranking. You can do better.
Clearly, NESCAC membership would not have hurt HC. Possibly the quality of education, campus life would have improved. (Note I am not referring to rankings.) No NESCAC in the past, no NESCAC in the future. Fine. It's all moot.
Let me ask: To what ultimate end would you want HC to place more emphasis on athletics? I know you want HC to win and beat better teams. That is very nice especially for an adult.. But to what end?What's the point? Why not enjoy the games? Winning is better than losing no matter the level. No?
Your attempt at needling me with living in the past is a silly, clueless diversion. You can do better.
Look at HC and collegiate sports as it truly is and not as you dream it should be in a self-fulfilling fantasy world. Peace.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 18, 2022 23:20:16 GMT -5
My point on the past was not to needle, and I apologize, but as we have discussed things evolve over time. I think our new President is focused on identifying the right peer group for us academically. If we use that group for all parts of the Holy Cross experience, we wouldn't have much athletically. I would hate to see that, but in the end that decision will be made by others.
Personally, I believe a strong athletic brand helps a school grow in many ways, and the future of the school is what I care about.
Happy to discuss directly as opposed to here so I don't say anything that could be misunderstood
Best
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Post by mm67 on Dec 18, 2022 23:47:57 GMT -5
My point on the past was not to needle, and I apologize, but as we have discussed things evolve over time. I think our new President is focused on identifying the right peer group for us academically. If we use that group for all parts of the Holy Cross experience, we wouldn't have much athletically. I would hate to see that, but in the end that decision will be made by others. Personally, I believe a strong athletic brand helps a school grow in many ways, and the future of the school is what I care about. Happy to discuss directly as opposed to here so I don't say anything that could be misunderstood Best Currently writing and watching my Giants "steal" a win due a missed obvious call by the refs No need to apologize. My comment was directed at another poster. Actually, the discussions about HC sports are stimulating. Honestly, every institution has to keep moving, keep evolving or it will fade. I honestly believe HC is in good hands. Whatever decisions are made I will always support HC. I share your belief that HC should strive for excellence in everything it does, including video broadcasts.HA!!! I hope PL teams will get stronger. Expect the PL will follow HC's lead. That would be fun. HC has to improve, too. Basketball has been frustrating. And, there is talent on the team. All the losing must be very tough on the guys. Other teams gotta' get better. You add a lot to this board. Please continue. With a greeting to you & family for a truly blessed Christmas. MM |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 19, 2022 0:21:59 GMT -5
My reply was not meant to needle you specifically, however it was a comment regarding NESCAC membership that was mentioned. It was a flawed idea then as it is now regarding the profile and vision that HC should achieve. They are not us and we are not them. HC is a unique institution that should be celebrated for who we have become. An institution that must continue to evolve.
Academic excellence vs Athletic excellence is not a zero sum game. I have experienced it first hand as my daughter graduated from a University that is ranked in the top 5 Nationally by US News and other peer review polls as well as having been awarded successive Director’s Cups as the top athletic program in Division 1.
I apologize if you have been insulted by my previous reply. I do not believe we have met in person, it was not meant to be a personal affront, but an observation that many continue to view higher education in a paradigm that was successful in the past, but is now outdated regarding the method of instruction in the 21st Century.
To answer your question…First regarding Academic Vision…. Higher education as a whole regarding the methods of instruction, assessment and academic calendar needs a critical review. The pandemic highlighted the changes that are needed in higher education as colleges and universities were caught flat footed regarding their emergency and disaster recover plans. I believe this is now underway at HC with new leadership. Facilities and method of instruction must to continue to evolve for each student to succeed. The new campus strategic and master plan should provide and emphasize….This is not your Father’s Holy Cross. It should be a dynamic academic environment with a wholistic review of each department ability to deliver instruction to the institution. I would like to see each department set an assessment goal regarding post graduate fellowships and career path opportunities, and work with each student over the course of four years to achieve. Montserrat for first year is the foundation that can be modified to achieve over the entire academic career as an example.
Regarding Athletic Emphasis… Holy Cross should provide a learning environment and the resources for the student athletes to succeed across the enterprise regardless of league affiliation. Facilities, scheduling as well as coaching should be of the highest realistic quality that is financially feasible. Cut rate is not an acceptable option. Holy Cross is a NCAA Division 1 institution, not D2 or D3. The parameters are set by the governing organization. The Administration knows the guidelines that have been provided. As an institution the league affiliation should handicap our ability to succeed. In this thread, the discussion about 5th year students has been debated. My question is why only 8 semesters at HC, Bucknell, Colgate. USNA and USMA have prep schools that student athletes attend. A very close friend of mine has a son who is attending one of the prep schools this year to prepare for admission to the academy next year. The goal is two foal, preparation for the rigors of the academic life, as well as a year of physical training to be ready for a varsity team which he expects to join.
The Ivy and NESCAC model is not for HC. We should set our own path for Academic and Athletic excellence.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 19, 2022 1:23:53 GMT -5
I believe at one time Worcester Academy or some school served as an unofficial prep school for HC. NESCAC was never in play.(Heard first hand.)HC with scholarships, extensive spring practice, post season play and whatever is certainly not following the IL model. That ship sailed years ago. Your description of a new academic/teaching/learning paradigm was vague, not clear. Obviously HC has moved quite a distance over the years. HC will continue to evolve as it should. Change is a constant. All institutions must evolve or they will fade. Still do not agree with your use of public forum rankings as a measure of the quality of a school's education.
There is nothing new about emphasizing sports. Actually HC has deemphasized football & b-ball. Remember, at one time HC was in the football University Division which would be the similar to FBS. Our schedule regularly included ranked teams. HC deemphasized down to
Div IAA currently FCS. There is nothing new about redshirting. If HC decides not to implement non-medical redshirting it will not be because HC is living in the past. Remember you admitted this is not your grandfather's HC. Whatever decision HC makes - to be or not to be redshirting- will be based on what its leadership team believes is in the best interests of the school in the current climate based on HC's values as an academic institution.
No need to go off the deep end with unsubstantiated assertions about HC or some of us on the board. Try to avoid making assumptions about individuals or institutions. You can dig deeper, be more analytical, cite facts, be more measured & nuanced.
In other words you can do better. Merry Christmas. Peace.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 19, 2022 3:02:26 GMT -5
Guess we have never met… maybe we have since I have been associated with HC as a Student and as an Alum for over 50 years. If we happen to meet during a reunion, I can provide a fairly comprehensive analysis and a clearer picture of models of instruction that are needed for instruction in the 21st Century. This is not the forum to provide that information.
While US News uses many arbitrary and subjective data points, it has become the list most cited regarding institutional rankings for students, parents etc. Information provided by this publication over 3 decades has had an impact (positive or negative) regarding the perception of all institutions surveyed. It is the Lion in the room, that cannot be ignored. To do so is at the institution’s peril.
Let’s get this thread back on track regarding the successful recruitment of the next class of the HC football program.
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Post by hcnj on Dec 19, 2022 12:05:47 GMT -5
He didn’t commit - regarding COE. We will see what transpires over the next 3 days. Yes, that's what I had read into your prior updates, just was pointing out that someone other than COE has verbaled and late verbals are very sticky. Thanks to those with Paul updates. Don't know what will happen but it gives a lot of confidence that this staff doesn't "settle" on recruits, these last few weeks of new DBs are really excellent. |
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Post by dharry13 on Dec 19, 2022 12:43:39 GMT -5
My gut tells me this most recent verbal is going to be an OL. The 7th of this class.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 19, 2022 12:51:31 GMT -5
Might think taking these talented linemen makes sense because they are available and interested-best available players ??
DB situation might require them to switch positions for currently
rostered players or go back to those the list of 5th year options
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Post by breezy on Dec 19, 2022 13:08:42 GMT -5
My gut tells me this most recent verbal is going to be an OL. The 7th of this class. Interesting thought. On the surface, it seems that having 6 commitments from OLs would be sufficient. So I'm wondering -- is this possibly someone who has such high potential that HC cannot pass up the opportunity to bring him aboard? Or perhaps someone who made a commitment elsewhere and has now decided to back off from that commitment and HC sees an opportunity? |
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Post by football44 on Dec 19, 2022 14:18:35 GMT -5
My gut tells me this most recent verbal is going to be an OL. The 7th of this class. Interesting thought. On the surface, it seems that having 6 commitments from OLs would be sufficient. So I'm wondering -- is this possibly someone who has such high potential that HC cannot pass up the opportunity to bring him aboard? Or perhaps someone who made a commitment elsewhere and has now decided to back off from that commitment and HC sees an opportunity? Yes! |
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Post by matunuck on Dec 19, 2022 17:04:24 GMT -5
I’m far more concerned about other issues impacting academic integrity than red-shirting. By the way, Richmond, W&M etc allow red-shirting?
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Post by efg72 on Dec 19, 2022 17:38:17 GMT -5
Agree
All athletic programs with high academic standards support red shirting, except for the elitist in the ivies, and the want to be among the academic elitist of the Patriot League.
We can be special again, and actually surpass the others in our league, and perhaps all of the ivies, if we offer a holistic approach to excellence in education
Ok I am done
Merry Christmas and an even better 2023 for one and all🎄🎄✝️✝️🙏🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 19, 2022 17:43:40 GMT -5
To Matunuck's question, W&M allows redshirting. W&M also offers degrees in kinesiology.
Team captain for W&M in 2022 is listed as a senior
His freshman year was 2017. Bio says he was redshirted, and member of the scout team.
Redshirt freshman year was 2018. Appeared in 10 games.
Sophomore year was 2019. Appeared in five games.
Junior year was 2021 (spring). Appeared in two games
Redshirt junior year was 2021 (fall). Appeared in eight games.,
So 2022 was his sixth year of participation, all as an undergraduate.
Prior to 2022, he had a total of ten receptions for 146 yards.
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Post by football44 on Dec 19, 2022 18:28:10 GMT -5
Wow what did I start with my comment about redshirt. Injuries happen and skipping a semester to come back for a redshirt year happens all the time. Jake Dobbs, Jake Petersen as examples. Not affecting our academic standards at all.
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Post by breezy on Dec 20, 2022 13:13:31 GMT -5
Regarding CHIGOZIE-OGI-EVANS --
Since posting on Sunday about receiving his first offer from Holy Cross, he has posted about new offers from Wagner and Stonehill.
This morning, he has re-tweeted the post by Blattner regarding Blattner's commitment to Holy Cross. Could be a positive sign --- or perhaps not -- who knows?
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 20, 2022 15:34:28 GMT -5
CB from GA Charles McCatherens commits to Buffalo after OV last weekend.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 20, 2022 18:08:43 GMT -5
CB Ayden Jackson also from GA commits to Georgia Southern. Outstanding player.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 20, 2022 18:10:56 GMT -5
Let's get those who have committed signed and we can reevaluate the roster needs once this period closes
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Post by HC92 on Dec 20, 2022 23:11:04 GMT -5
Max Tucker to BC.
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Post by football44 on Dec 21, 2022 6:09:29 GMT -5
Goodbye! He can go and finish last every year in the ACC. |
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Post by dharry13 on Dec 21, 2022 7:02:56 GMT -5
You talk about a desperate program. It’s not a knock on the kid at all. But his best offer is MAC and BC signs him? If I’m a football alum that doesn’t make you better. Complete stretch
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