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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 14, 2016 13:56:58 GMT -5
NP oversaw men's hoops, baseball, and I believe soccer programs at UMD. To consider him nothing more than a fund raiser is laughable.
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Post by rickii on Nov 14, 2016 14:28:59 GMT -5
realism -
Couldn't disagree more....
For them, scheduling HC is akin to HC scheduling Central Connecticut. Geezes real, Yale dumped us at the last minute a few years ago leaving us in a bind for a replacement opponent....so much for prestige ! We're nothing more than a local game that's inexpensive in their minds.
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Post by realism on Nov 14, 2016 14:40:33 GMT -5
sorry you missed my sarcasm
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Nov 14, 2016 14:52:53 GMT -5
" we've regressed to the point where the fastest we can expect to rebuild in order to compete with Lehigh, Colgate, and Fordham is 4 or 5 years. As for the many strong OOC teams we have coming up, God help us." Joe Like Joe, I think it’s time for posters to realize that the timing for realizing HC's ambitious athletic vision appears a tad askew. Unlike Joe, I don’t know how long it will take to effect this turnaround. However, I can imagine how incredulous the H.C. pitch is becoming to recruits, whether coming from HCTG or someone new charged with delivering its story. I. TRAJECTORY OF H.C."s PERFORMANCE IN THE SCHOLLY ERA 2010 6-5 2011 6-5 2012 2-9 ...............SCHOLLY ERA....................... 2013 3-9 2014 4-8 2015 6-5 2016 4-7 II. WHY THE P.L. ? Lehigh, Colgate & Fordham beat Holy Cross this year by a combined 126-36. Translated to average per game, that's 42-12. As one of our insightful alums ( hc87 ) has prophetically stated, “We like the PL because it gives us the cushion o play our traditional big time o.o.c. peers 5 or 6 games a year.” III. HOW’S THE OUTLOOK FOR THOSE BCS TRADITIONAL PEER GAMES LOOKING ? And Fordham lost to Navy 52-16. Colgate lost to Syracuse 33-7. ( “Heck, we’re even playing both Navy and Syracuse in one season in just a couple of years” ) IV. PLAYING OUR IVY PEERS Harvard ( 5.2% acceptance rate ) and Yale ( 6.3% acceptance rate ) like playing H.C. ( 37% acceptance rate ) because of the prestige by association that it brings to them nationally. Nothing more. V. IMPACT ON THE EVOLVING IMAGE OF HOLY CROSS “Boy, did we hit one out of the park, so to speak, at Yankee Stadium.” VI. FACILITIES “On track for March 2018, just in time for the jumbo Navy/Syracuse schedule.” VII. OUR WUNDERKIND TURNAROUND SPECIALIST AD “ He’s not a bean counter by training like our last AD. ADNP cut his eye teeth as an athletic fundraising staff member at big schools. Now he’s channeling those skills into firing and hiring coaches, scheduling and massive p.r. for the institution. Fundraising, Performance turnaround experience....one and the same thing, you know” I agree that some of the optimism on this board, specifically towards football, need to be tempered. But other than that, what exactly are you getting at? Would you rather not have events like Yankee Stadium, Navy/Syracuse? Would you rather not have new facilities? And what's with the sardonic mocking of ADNP's resume? He's performed well in most facets of his job as athletic director. One facet that he has not been given an opportunity to complete is hiring a football coach. It would be just as remiss to assume that he is incapable of that as it would be to assume that he will knock if out of the park. He's at least earned a chance to make a hire.
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Post by ncaam on Nov 14, 2016 14:58:48 GMT -5
Pine hired a football coach when he gave ctg an extension.
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Post by Chu Chu on Nov 14, 2016 14:59:51 GMT -5
BTW, this was a terrific day in NYC, the Bronx and Yankee Stadium. Saw and spoke to several classmates and families I haven't seen in a while. Most were predicting an empty stadium after 1st half, didn't happen because this game was a lot of fun. Too bad we got killed, but we managed to make the most of the experience and enjoyed it. Congrats to classmate 6774 for tossing coin, congrats to a HC for planning and running a spectacular event Hi All! Just returned to the NW after our jaunt to New York. All in all, except for the performance of the team and the actual result of the game, this turned out to be a great experience. Some random thoughts: I agree with Lou and the others who have been complimentary of the overall experience. Every step of the way, this was done very well. The President's Council gathering on Friday evening on the Aircraft Carrier Intrepid turned out to be the largest President's Council attendance in history, easily doubling the average for these events. Many late registrants actually had to be turned away. Upon entering the below carrier deck area, there was a very large welcoming panorama of the Holy Cross campus that seemed to be photographed from a drone, that set the stage for a classy event. The evening was convivial, the talks were brief, and everyone really enjoyed the night. The fact that this was Veterans Day made the location for the event especially poignant and relevant. Alumni veterans were honored, including one in attendance who had served on the Intrepid itself. The game day experience was truly fun, and harkened back to the days of yore, with modern amenities. Riding the D line subway to 161st Street with purple and Fordham faithful wearing their colors was an experience. The Yankee Stadium staff were very nice and seemed to enjoy the spectacle of Holy Cross and Fordham alums who were obviously enjoying themselves. The game envoronment itself was top notch. Ram-Crusader Cup flags lined the parapets. Holy Cross was obviously the home team, as was made clear by signage and the slick promos and interviews on the Jumbotron, and by the announcer, who was a suitable homie for Holy Cross. Pre-recorded videos were shown where our players were interviewed about Holy Cross sports history, and they were fun and engaging. The results of the team play were obviously not what any of us wanted, but, having said that, it was secondary. We had realistic expectations, and I heard many comments from fans that Holy Cross was obviously working hard to beef up the program for the future, and this game experience was an example of that. Every detail seemed to have been thought of. The graphics on the screens all over the stadium were Holy Cross. The animations were Holy Cross after significant plays. Holy Cross swag was for sale on each level. The alumni turnout was interesting to me. Although we talk about younger folks not going to games, they came to this one! I met lots of students, from the subway to the stadium. Also, recent alums were there, and parents with families. They all had on HC stuff, and strutted it proudly every time the camera caught them during the game. Also, I was not the only alum who came from the West Coast! I ran into a guy with HC logos at JFK going home to San Diego. Bottom line, I came away from this experience feeling that the glass is half full, and we are trying hard to right this program for the future. I think that ADNP clearly understands what will be required. It takes time. But a big event like this, seen in the context of going back to scholarships, vast improvement in our facilities, improved scheduling of some FBS opponents, the Crusader Athletic Fund success and even the hiring of ADNP himself, all point to a better future for Holy Cross.
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Post by realism on Nov 14, 2016 16:12:21 GMT -5
" we've regressed to the point where the fastest we can expect to rebuild in order to compete with Lehigh, Colgate, and Fordham is 4 or 5 years. As for the many strong OOC teams we have coming up, God help us." Joe Like Joe, I think it’s time for posters to realize that the timing for realizing HC's ambitious athletic vision appears a tad askew. Unlike Joe, I don’t know how long it will take to effect this turnaround. However, I can imagine how incredulous the H.C. pitch is becoming to recruits, whether coming from HCTG or someone new charged with delivering its story. I. TRAJECTORY OF H.C."s PERFORMANCE IN THE SCHOLLY ERA 2010 6-5 2011 6-5 2012 2-9 ...............SCHOLLY ERA....................... 2013 3-9 2014 4-8 2015 6-5 2016 4-7 II. WHY THE P.L. ? Lehigh, Colgate & Fordham beat Holy Cross this year by a combined 126-36. Translated to average per game, that's 42-12. As one of our insightful alums ( hc87 ) has prophetically stated, “We like the PL because it gives us the cushion o play our traditional big time o.o.c. peers 5 or 6 games a year.” III. HOW’S THE OUTLOOK FOR THOSE BCS TRADITIONAL PEER GAMES LOOKING ? And Fordham lost to Navy 52-16. Colgate lost to Syracuse 33-7. ( “Heck, we’re even playing both Navy and Syracuse in one season in just a couple of years” ) IV. PLAYING OUR IVY PEERS Harvard ( 5.2% acceptance rate ) and Yale ( 6.3% acceptance rate ) like playing H.C. ( 37% acceptance rate ) because of the prestige by association that it brings to them nationally. Nothing more. V. IMPACT ON THE EVOLVING IMAGE OF HOLY CROSS “Boy, did we hit one out of the park, so to speak, at Yankee Stadium.” VI. FACILITIES “On track for March 2018, just in time for the jumbo Navy/Syracuse schedule.” VII. OUR WUNDERKIND TURNAROUND SPECIALIST AD “ He’s not a bean counter by training like our last AD. ADNP cut his eye teeth as an athletic fundraising staff member at big schools. Now he’s channeling those skills into firing and hiring coaches, scheduling and massive p.r. for the institution. Fundraising, Performance turnaround experience....one and the same thing, you know” I agree that some of the optimism on this board, specifically towards football, need to be tempered. But other than that, what exactly are you getting at? Would you rather not have events like Yankee Stadium, Navy/Syracuse? Would you rather not have new facilities? And what's with the sardonic mocking of ADNP's resume? He's performed well in most facets of his job as athletic director. One facet that he has not been given an opportunity to complete is hiring a football coach. It would be just as remiss to assume that he is incapable of that as it would be to assume that he will knock if out of the park. He's at least earned a chance to make a hire. zambonihomie13, I think there may be a wonderful role for these events ( per Chu Chu's post ) without exceptional performance, for awhile. I have no opinion of whether replacing HCTG will have much of an impact. He'll be inheriting the accumulated garbage. And that has become a hard sell for realists. So, getting carried away with a sense of H.C.'s athletic historical destiny or hero worship of ADNP is seeming more and more inappropriate, if it's desirable for an actual year-specific upgrade in performance to be part of the package. Even if you dismiss ADNP's role as one big PR stunt for the institution, if the big athletic events' performance over the next few years end up fizzling, the total PR effect may have neglible positive institutional impact.
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Post by rickii on Nov 14, 2016 16:58:24 GMT -5
BTW, this was a terrific day in NYC, the Bronx and Yankee Stadium. Saw and spoke to several classmates and families I haven't seen in a while. Most were predicting an empty stadium after 1st half, didn't happen because this game was a lot of fun. Too bad we got killed, but we managed to make the most of the experience and enjoyed it. Congrats to classmate 6774 for tossing coin, congrats to a HC for planning and running a spectacular event Hi All! Just returned to the NW after our jaunt to New York. All in all, except for the performance of the team and the actual result of the game, this turned out to be a great experience. Some random thoughts: I agree with Lou and the others who have been complimentary of the overall experience. Every step of the way, this was done very well. The President's Council gathering on Friday evening on the Aircraft Carrier Intrepid turned out to be the largest President's Council attendance in history, easily doubling the average for these events. Many late registrants actually had to be turned away. Upon entering the below carrier deck area, there was a very large welcoming panorama of the Holy Cross campus that seemed to be photographed from a drone, that set the stage for a classy event. The evening was convivial, the talks were brief, and everyone really enjoyed the night. The fact that this was Veterans Day made the location for the event especially poignant and relevant. Alumni veterans were honored, including one in attendance who had served on the Intrepid itself. The game day experience was truly fun, and harkened back to the days of yore, with modern amenities. Riding the D line subway to 161st Street with purple and Fordham faithful wearing their colors was an experience. The Yankee Stadium staff were very nice and seemed to enjoy the spectacle of Holy Cross and Fordham alums who were obviously enjoying themselves. The game envoronment itself was top notch. Ram-Crusader Cup flags lined the parapets. Holy Cross was obviously the home team, as was made clear by signage and the slick promos and interviews on the Jumbotron, and by the announcer, who was a suitable homie for Holy Cross. Pre-recorded videos were shown where our players were interviewed about Holy Cross sports history, and they were fun and engaging. The results of the team play were obviously not what any of us wanted, but, having said that, it was secondary. We had realistic expectations, and I heard many comments from fans that Holy Cross was obviously working hard to beef up the program for the future, and this game experience was an example of that. Every detail seemed to have been thought of. The graphics on the screens all over the stadium were Holy Cross. The animations were Holy Cross after significant plays. Holy Cross swag was for sale on each level. The alumni turnout was interesting to me. Although we talk about younger folks not going to games, they came to this one! I met lots of students, from the subway to the stadium. Also, recent alums were there, and parents with families. They all had on HC stuff, and strutted it proudly every time the camera caught them during the game. Also, I was not the only alum who came from the West Coast! I ran into a guy with HC logos at JFK going home to San Diego. Bottom line, I came away from this experience feeling that the glass is half full, and we are trying hard to right this program for the future. I think that ADNP clearly understands what will be required. It takes time. But a big event like this, seen in the context of going back to scholarships, vast improvement in our facilities, improved scheduling of some FBS opponents, the Crusader Athletic Fund success and even the hiring of ADNP himself, all point to a better future for Holy Cross. EXCELLENT review and perspective sir....WELL DONE !
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Nov 14, 2016 17:27:58 GMT -5
I agree that some of the optimism on this board, specifically towards football, need to be tempered. But other than that, what exactly are you getting at? Would you rather not have events like Yankee Stadium, Navy/Syracuse? Would you rather not have new facilities? And what's with the sardonic mocking of ADNP's resume? He's performed well in most facets of his job as athletic director. One facet that he has not been given an opportunity to complete is hiring a football coach. It would be just as remiss to assume that he is incapable of that as it would be to assume that he will knock if out of the park. He's at least earned a chance to make a hire. zambonihomie13, I think there may be a wonderful role for these events ( per Chu Chu's post ) without exceptional performance, for awhile. I have no opinion of whether replacing HCTG will have much of an impact. He'll be inheriting the accumulated garbage. And that has become a hard sell for realists. So, getting carried away with a sense of H.C.'s athletic historical destiny or hero worship of ADNP is seeming more and more inappropriate, if it's desirable for an actual year-specific upgrade in performance to be part of the package. Even if you dismiss ADNP's role as one big PR stunt for the institution, if the big athletic events' performance over the next few years end up fizzling, the total PR effect may have neglible positive institutional impact. The other side of the coin is, if we beat Fordham 24-21 at home at Fitton in front of 6k people, would anyone outside of a dozen posters on this board care? Of course you have to have winning programs in order for an athletic department to be considered a success. But cake without icing is just a loaf of bread. An AD has more immediate control over things such as these "PR stunts," which undoubtedly have to be considered a marked improvement over the status quo from decades prior. I don't think commending ADNP and TPTB for the change of direction amounts to "hero worship" as much as it is recognizing these improvements, nor do I think it is inappropriate. However, I do agree that there tends to be too much focus on HC's past football success from decades ago in expectations for what HC football "should be" now.
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Post by CHC8485 on Nov 14, 2016 17:34:36 GMT -5
BTW, this was a terrific day in NYC, the Bronx and Yankee Stadium. Saw and spoke to several classmates and families I haven't seen in a while. Most were predicting an empty stadium after 1st half, didn't happen because this game was a lot of fun. Too bad we got killed, but we managed to make the most of the experience and enjoyed it. Congrats to classmate 6774 for tossing coin, congrats to a HC for planning and running a spectacular event Hi All! Just returned to the NW after our jaunt to New York. All in all, except for the performance of the team and the actual result of the game, this turned out to be a great experience. Some random thoughts: I agree with Lou and the others who have been complimentary of the overall experience. Every step of the way, this was done very well. The President's Council gathering on Friday evening on the Aircraft Carrier Intrepid turned out to be the largest President's Council attendance in history, easily doubling the average for these events. Many late registrants actually had to be turned away. Upon entering the below carrier deck area, there was a very large welcoming panorama of the Holy Cross campus that seemed to be photographed from a drone, that set the stage for a classy event. The evening was convivial, the talks were brief, and everyone really enjoyed the night. The fact that this was Veterans Day made the location for the event especially poignant and relevant. Alumni veterans were honored, including one in attendance who had served on the Intrepid itself. The game day experience was truly fun, and harkened back to the days of yore, with modern amenities. Riding the D line subway to 161st Street with purple and Fordham faithful wearing their colors was an experience. The Yankee Stadium staff were very nice and seemed to enjoy the spectacle of Holy Cross and Fordham alums who were obviously enjoying themselves. The game envoronment itself was top notch. Ram-Crusader Cup flags lined the parapets. Holy Cross was obviously the home team, as was made clear by signage and the slick promos and interviews on the Jumbotron, and by the announcer, who was a suitable homie for Holy Cross. Pre-recorded videos were shown where our players were interviewed about Holy Cross sports history, and they were fun and engaging. The results of the team play were obviously not what any of us wanted, but, having said that, it was secondary. We had realistic expectations, and I heard many comments from fans that Holy Cross was obviously working hard to beef up the program for the future, and this game experience was an example of that. Every detail seemed to have been thought of. The graphics on the screens all over the stadium were Holy Cross. The animations were Holy Cross after significant plays. Holy Cross swag was for sale on each level. The alumni turnout was interesting to me. Although we talk about younger folks not going to games, they came to this one! I met lots of students, from the subway to the stadium. Also, recent alums were there, and parents with families. They all had on HC stuff, and strutted it proudly every time the camera caught them during the game. Also, I was not the only alum who came from the West Coast! I ran into a guy with HC logos at JFK going home to San Diego. Bottom line, I came away from this experience feeling that the glass is half full, and we are trying hard to right this program for the future. I think that ADNP clearly understands what will be required. It takes time. But a big event like this, seen in the context of going back to scholarships, vast improvement in our facilities, improved scheduling of some FBS opponents, the Crusader Athletic Fund success and even the hiring of ADNP himself, all point to a better future for Holy Cross. Well said, Chu Chu. And let me add Friday afternoon as we walked from from 5th Avenue and the Veterans Day parade, a woman saw our purple and HC gear, stopped us and introduced herself as an alumna and we chatted briefly. We did not attend the President's Council dinner becasue we're not a membesr, but we did go tothe Alumni Association reception at The Ainsworth that was very well done. Place was closed for HC only and had a great atmosphere. Lots of HC touches including the purple HC Shield displayed on roughly half the TVs thoughout the venue. Though CHC84 & I were decidedly in the older quartile of attendees, it was great to meet - or re-acquaint ourselves - with many young alums including several of HC16's classmates. Lots of passion for HC among those there. The next morning, as we walked through the Herald Square subway station had many folks yell Go Crusaders, Go Cross and a Fordham alum say I guess we're going to the same place as I was buying the subway tickets. Met classmates of my son on the train to the game and met a couple more on the platform waiting for subway after the game and rode back with them. All had great things to say about their HC experience and the event. And speaking of the subway platform, for whomever asked ... Fr. Boroughs and another Jesuit (whom I recognized but do not recall his name) was on the platform about 5 or 6 people away from me. This was at least 30 minutes after the conclusion of the game, so he was there for the whole game It was a first class and memorable weekend, with the exception of results on the field. I hope there are many more such events in the future. Let's get it at Fenway next time!
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Post by joe on Nov 14, 2016 18:09:00 GMT -5
We should be playing BC or Harvard at Fenway. Between HC and BC's local fan bases and the reduced capacity compared to Yankee Stadium at least we'd fill the seats. That's the venue where the tradition really exists.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 14, 2016 18:56:49 GMT -5
I like ChuChu's enthusiasm but it's close to the "we play just to participate, not necessarily to win" attitude.
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