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Post by timholycross on Mar 12, 2022 14:15:56 GMT -5
At least tiny Lavietes Pavilion looks full. Assume the empty seats I can see are from people who went to the first game and left.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 12, 2022 15:00:17 GMT -5
Impressive fight from Cornell in narrow loss to Princeton in the Ivy semis, 77-73 - the Big Red gave up 3 Princeton offensive rebounds in the last minute with the score tied at 73 Irony is alive and well. Cornell's Brian Earl was a long-time assistant of Mitch Henderson at Princeton, both played for Carmody.
Here's a clip of Carmody drilling offensive rebounding technique.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 12, 2022 15:08:08 GMT -5
very nicely done!!!!
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Post by trimster on Mar 12, 2022 15:15:30 GMT -5
Schools all over New England from D3 to D1 winning big games in front of full houses and HC chugs along with dismal seasons after seasons, and virtually zero interest outside of the aging denizens of this forum. Swell... Well apparently that hasn’t bothered the people running HC to do something about it. HC made its bed many years ago and other than reversing the scholarship decision, has done nothing to change it for decades. Let’s see what the new people in charge do.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 12, 2022 15:54:46 GMT -5
Holy Cross made Bill Carmody the highest paid employee in the athletic department. That's commitment.
Let's hope they came to their senses when hiring BN when HC had the only D-1 opening in the country and were negotiating from a position of strength with an assistant coach who could not have had any competing D-1 head coach offers as there were no other openings.
Not saying I'm confident they were sensible. I voted to give BN another year, but if HC has to hire a new coach after that, my observation is that hiring a head coach with a winning career record is more important than at a school with recent winning seasons.
When a head coach recruits he can sell the program's winning tradition or his winning tradition. If he has neither, he and the program are at a disadvantage.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 12, 2022 18:30:47 GMT -5
Happy for St. Peter's who punched their ticket today with 60-54 win over Monmouth to win the MAAC- that is so much better than to see Iona in the NCAA's Shaheen Holloway cementing his spot as a rising coaching star - likely getting a big opportunity very soon
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Post by hchoops on Mar 12, 2022 19:31:07 GMT -5
Cannot be too often that Pitino, as the top seed, lost to a #8.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 12, 2022 19:39:55 GMT -5
TV network will likely pressure NCAA to invite Iona as at-large team knowing that Pitino will drive viewership
——-Insert smiley face here——-
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 12, 2022 21:09:41 GMT -5
Schools all over New England from D3 to D1 winning big games in front of full houses and HC chugs along with dismal seasons after seasons, and virtually zero interest outside of the aging denizens of this forum. Swell... Just for the record, by my count only 5 of the 16 other New England schools (excluding BC, Providence, and UCONN) had a record above .500 this year. Bryant and Vermont won their leagues (both really bad leagues). BU made it to the pL semifinals. And nobody else was close to winning their league. The idea that New England college basketball is taking off and leaving HC in the dust is just nonsense. Vermont: 27-5 Bryant: 22-9 BU: 21-12 UNH: 15-13 Yale: 17-11 UMASS: 15-17 Northeastern: 9-22 Harvard: 13-13 UMASS Lowell: 15-16 URI: 15-16 (1 win) Brown: 13-16 Dartmouth: 9-16 Maine: 6-23 Hartford: 12-20 CCSU: 8-24 Quinnipiac: 13-17
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 12, 2022 21:20:43 GMT -5
And as bad as these schools are, HC is only better than Maine.
Pretty sad state, don’t you think, Bring Back?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 12, 2022 21:40:47 GMT -5
And as bad as these schools are, HC is only better than Maine. Pretty sad state, don’t you think, Bring Back? Dunno Do any of these other schools bring back virtually everyone next year? Would be curious to cross-reference this list with the KenPom Experience metric. 9 of the 10 starters for Vermont & Bryant were Seniors (10th was a junior). Future is bright on Mount St James! Go Cross Go!!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 12, 2022 22:25:51 GMT -5
Okay, it looks like you bought yourself more time. You must deliver next season. I, for one, don't want to hear anything about the team being "inexperienced" and lord knows the nonsense about "empty cupboard", "dumpster fire", and "lost the three best players" has no relevance in 22-23 if it ever had it before. It is all CBN's experienced players next year. Before you even get started, I don't want to hear that Gates picked up bad habits in New Orleans, that the Pandemic affected HC players more than their opponents, or any other creative excuse. I hope you are proven correct and the Crusaders excel in 2022-2023, but, please, no excuses.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 12, 2022 23:18:36 GMT -5
I'll buy that it's doable to climb over a considerable number of the programs listed.
I won't buy that it can be done with the current roster.
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Post by sader81 on Mar 13, 2022 7:37:07 GMT -5
Okay, it looks like you bought yourself more time. You must deliver next season. I, for one, don't want to hear anything about the team being "inexperienced" and lord knows the nonsense about "empty cupboard", "dumpster fire", and "lost the three best players" has no relevance in 22-23 if it ever had it before. It is all CBN's experienced players next year. Before you even get started, I don't want to hear that Gates picked up bad habits in New Orleans, that the Pandemic affected HC players more than their opponents, or any other creative excuse. I hope you are proven correct and the Crusaders excel in 2022-2023, but, please, no excuses. I agree. Next year excuses are over. The team is loaded with guys that have played together for two years. Even if they get some unfortunate injuries, there are a handful ready to be next man up. The team did not play well the last several games, otherwise I would be excited and really looking forward to next year. It’s Nelson’s make it or break it year. I hope he is able to be more creative on offense and mix it up with some zone and traps on defense, and maybe even put in an out of bounds play. I tend to think he is a good coach, based on how hard the kids play and didn’t quit. But the bottom line is Ws, and there his performance has been dismal.
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Post by sader81 on Mar 13, 2022 7:46:35 GMT -5
Schools all over New England from D3 to D1 winning big games in front of full houses and HC chugs along with dismal seasons after seasons, and virtually zero interest outside of the aging denizens of this forum. Swell... Just for the record, by my count only 5 of the 16 other New England schools (excluding BC, Providence, and UCONN) had a record above .500 this year. Bryant and Vermont won their leagues (both really bad leagues). BU made it to the pL semifinals. And nobody else was close to winning their league. The idea that New England college basketball is taking off and leaving HC in the dust is just nonsense. Vermont: 27-5 Bryant: 22-9 BU: 21-12 UNH: 15-13 Yale: 17-11 UMASS: 15-17 Northeastern: 9-22 Harvard: 13-13 UMASS Lowell: 15-16 URI: 15-16 (1 win) Brown: 13-16 Dartmouth: 9-16 Maine: 6-23 Hartford: 12-20 CCSU: 8-24 Quinnipiac: 13-17 Fairfield: 15-18 Sacred Heart: 10-20
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Mar 13, 2022 7:59:40 GMT -5
Can't disagree that D1 basketball in New England is in a very sad state.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 13, 2022 8:07:17 GMT -5
D1 hockey is pretty much the only sport in New England that is not in a very sad state.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 13, 2022 8:36:08 GMT -5
I think low D-1s are in a really tough spot with the current landscape. You bag a really good recruit, there's a good chance he'll be gone in a year or two. There's also probably less of a chance of getting someone trickling down from a high major, since they are not in the business of taking on projects anymore - they just wait to poach the kids they want after they have a year or two of experience under their belts. In the case of HC, where they have no grad school, and are in a huge pro sports market to boot......imho it's just a hard gig. Even if they were at a higher level, not many would care around these parts. If a Mass school made it to the Final Four, and during that week the Celtics made a big trade, what story would get the most attention?
For low D-1s, I think you're best off if you're lucky enough to be the only game in town, and if you can at least have a chance to take in transfers (and have a grad school to at least have a shot to hold on to kids). A school like UVM at least has the only game advantage.....course, if they were to make a mistake with their next hire (when that happens), they could slide right back down to where they were 20 years ago.
Kind of depressing for me. I've never been a Big East or Bust guy, but there are days where I wonder if the phrase "if you can't beat them, join them" becomes apropos. It does feel like HC is at a bit of a crossroads (no pun intended), with an aging, dwindling fan base, and the way the D-1 world is.
For the immediate term, I also feel next year has to be the key year for Coach Nelson. My absolute minimum expectation is a top 4 finish (with a quarterfinal game at home), and then winning that to get into the semis. Period. Don't care about the record. I am curious about the non conference schedule; one would normally expect it to be tougher, to align with a more experienced group. But, will heat in the seat make it look like another schedule baked by Hostess?
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Post by trimster on Mar 13, 2022 8:51:46 GMT -5
Looks like Vermont is going to be able to eke out a win today.... If you can build a program like Becker has done in Burlington, VT it can be done in Worcester, MA.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 13, 2022 8:56:13 GMT -5
Schools all over New England from D3 to D1 winning big games in front of full houses and HC chugs along with dismal seasons after seasons, and virtually zero interest outside of the aging denizens of this forum. Swell... UM Dartmouth: 26-5 Nichols: 25-4 Worc Tech: 27-3 And anyone who doesn't think interest in terrible HC MBB is at or near an all-time low is nuts.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 13, 2022 9:15:07 GMT -5
Schools all over New England from D3 to D1 winning big games in front of full houses and HC chugs along with dismal seasons after seasons, and virtually zero interest outside of the aging denizens of this forum. Swell... UM Dartmouth: 26-5 Nichols: 25-4 Worc Tech: 27-3 And anyone who doesn't think interest in terrible HC MBB is at or near an all-time low is nuts. Of course it is. The school barred students who were masked, teated, vaxxed and boosted from attending games for half the season. Then people have the audacity to complain that the student turnout was disappointing for the American game. From the clips, it seemed like the best Hart atmosphere this season was for the women against Navy.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 13, 2022 9:20:28 GMT -5
TV network will likely pressure NCAA to invite Iona as at-large team knowing that Pitino will drive viewership ——-Insert smiley face here——- Was talking about this yesterday at the bar in the Bronx with a friend of mine whose an Iona alum. He thinks they'll get in. I don't. Maybe if they'd made it to the MAAC final. But they lost in the quarters to Rider. And had at least 3 losses in league IIRC. Big win was Alabama at a neutral site. Too many "bad" losses IMO. Side note, Guinness was hosting a raffle at this bar and one of the raffle items was a Bob Cousy Holy Cross bobblehead. Pitino and Iona at the Garden in the NIT would be cool.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 13, 2022 9:23:58 GMT -5
Nice Big East Championship win last night for Villanova in front of a 20K sellout crowd at Madison Square Garden. Not sure they have the horses to go all the way in March Madness (a 2-seed?) but quite a season.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 13, 2022 9:44:43 GMT -5
Schools all over New England from D3 to D1 winning big games in front of full houses and HC chugs along with dismal seasons after seasons, and virtually zero interest outside of the aging denizens of this forum. Swell... UM Dartmouth: 26-5 Nichols: 25-4 Worc Tech: 27-3 And anyone who doesn't think interest in terrible HC MBB is at or near an all-time low is nuts. Ah yes, completely relevant. WPI, who drew 800 for their first round NCAA Tournament game and 600 for the 2nd round (per their box scores - so probably lower in reality), is draining all of the attention from Massachusetts basketball fans and it will be impossible for HC to get any attention back. And this past year was also totally unique compared to the last 12-13 years, where HC was at the pinnacle of New England basketball. Why don't we do high school too? BC High 20-0 Newton North 17-3 Andover High 18-2 Springfield Central 17-2
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Post by res on Mar 13, 2022 9:48:19 GMT -5
TV network will likely pressure NCAA to invite Iona as at-large team knowing that Pitino will drive viewership ——-Insert smiley face here——- Was talking about this yesterday at the bar in the Bronx with a friend of mine whose an Iona alum. He thinks they'll get in. I don't. Maybe if they'd made it to the MAAC final. But they lost in the quarters to Rider. And had at least 3 losses in league IIRC. Big win was Alabama at a neutral site. Too many "bad" losses IMO. Side note, Guinness was hosting a raffle at this bar and one of the raffle items was a Bob Cousy Holy Cross bobblehead. Pitino and Iona at the Garden in the NIT would be cool. Iona doesn't stand a chance. They would have to have a NET in the low 70s even to be in the conversation. Current NET is 89.
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