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Post by purplehaze on Mar 21, 2022 9:36:10 GMT -5
Kit, are you looking at our entire program ?- this past week is fairly typical and it's not a healthy situation for the school as a whole to maintain an athletic program like ours
With the exception of the women's lax win over Merrimack our spring teams are 0-18 over the last 9 days (with most of the losses not competitive)
I'm reluctant to contribute anything more to the athletic fund until some tough choices are made
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 21, 2022 9:47:26 GMT -5
Kit might not care about poor results.
In his introductory press conference and interviews, he never once made mention of the “w” word.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 21, 2022 10:05:31 GMT -5
Kit might not care about poor results. In his introductory press conference and interviews, he never once made mention of the “w” word. He's adopted the Coach Chesney mantra that HC is the place where you can have it all. In football that includes winning championships and post season competition while going to a great college but in the minor sports it currently means participating in D-1 sports while going to a great college. Kit is responsible for making sure wins and being competitive are part of "all" for every sport. He has a honeymoon but win loss records should improve next year. Almost impossible not to. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 21, 2022 10:27:25 GMT -5
Minor sports have been awful for 25+ years. Not going to change with a new AD.
Men's Basketball is the giant elephant in the room right now. After that, priority list should be as follows:
1) M/W Hockey especially with women now headed to Year 3 in Hockey East.
2) Men's Lacrosse -- we're back to where we were in 2005/2006. Laughingstock program. Have to figure out if our coach is the right guy.
3) Start thinking ahead when it comes to a post-Chesney football world.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2022 10:35:54 GMT -5
In a recent webinar on field hockey, he said that during the interview process, those interviewing stressed 'winning'.
I did get a sense that recruiting was curtailed during the pandemic, and the absence of camps also hindered recruiting. Field hockey coach feels she has established connections overseas and seems likely there will be more foreign players recruited.
On another webinar for rowing, the coach responsible for men's rowing has apparently done a phenomenal job. IIRC, 7 of the first 12 are freshmen; and there are enough rowers to roster four boats. And HC had a #17 national ranking.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2022 10:42:18 GMT -5
And has been discussed numerous times before, HC ranks in the bottom quartile of the PL when it comes to scollies for all Olympic sports, and it if scollies are being increased, as they seem to be, it takes 3-4 years before one starts seeing results from a W-L standpoint. If men's lacrosse has received the okay to have eight scollies, those are ramping up at the rate of two per year.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 21, 2022 10:43:33 GMT -5
27 D1 sports with just 3,100 students = participation is more important than winning. All by design to reel in full-pay students in non-revenue sports whose parents get to brag their kid is a D1 athlete.
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Post by trimster on Mar 21, 2022 11:07:14 GMT -5
Speaking of minor sports, the Golf Team is playing in the Carpetbagger Classic and no, it’s not April Fool’s Day joke.
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Post by trimster on Mar 21, 2022 11:11:13 GMT -5
Competed is the operative word as the CC was held this past weekend and the men finished 11 out of 14.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 21, 2022 11:29:55 GMT -5
Actually finished 11th of 12 (13 and 14th were Mt. St Mary's B and C teams) we beat just one varsity A team, that from the Mount
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 21, 2022 11:43:18 GMT -5
Not entirely. The main problem is that HC has been cheap on the Olympic sports for years. Two similarly sized schools to HC are Colgate and Bucknell.
Bucknell, without paying for M/W ice hockey scollies, awarded 34 more full scollies than HC did in 2019-20. Colgate, with M/W ice hockey, awarded 42 more full scollies than HC did.
Even ADMB hinted that this was screwy. He kept underlining that only four sports at HC are at the NCAA scollie cap, M/W hoops, and M/W ice hockey. (Football is three below the cap. W ice hockey is ramping to the cap.) And he stated that the Olympic sports are not-competitive because of it.
If one subtracts the sollies for football, hoops, and ice hockey, from the total scollie equivalents for all sports, HC spreads about 40 scollies over 22 Olympic sports, --which is less than an average of two scollies per sport.
If HC were to award scollies for the Olympic sports at 50 percent of the NCAA cap for each sport, it would need to fund 33 scollies in the men's Olympic sports, and 64 scollies for the women's sports, for a total of 97 scollies. On average, HC is funding scollies for the Olympic sports at about 20 percent of the total cap for these sports. Not a winning percentage.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 21, 2022 14:48:14 GMT -5
I wonder what John Luth thinks about the (approx) $50 million he forked over for the Luth Center and the JO which is now reaping zero results in all of these sports which enjoy first class facilities ? If I were he, I'd be asking President VR what the heck is going on
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 21, 2022 15:54:09 GMT -5
I was actually going to start a thread on this subject. Good to know that others are seeing the same thing.
Looking at the scoreboard from the weekend: In addition to the 11th out of 12 finish by the Men's Golf team, there were nine other contests involving six different teams. Holy Cross went 0-9 in those events, and was outscored by a collective 83-30. And these games weren't against P5 conference teams - with the exception of a softball tilt vs. Rutgers (which has fattened up its middle of the pack results by feasting on smaller programs ahead of the opening of the Big-10 schedule).
None of us expects HC to win the PL President's Cup any time soon, but can we get to a level of competition that isn't embarrassing in sports other than Football and Women's Basketball?
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Post by aaa8316 on Mar 22, 2022 15:05:22 GMT -5
27 D1 sports with just 3,100 students = participation is more important than winning. All by design to reel in full-pay students in non-revenue sports whose parents get to brag their kid is a D1 athlete. Bingo. This exact outline should be plastered on the gates of HC going up College Hill so everyone knows how it actually works. |
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Post by aaa8316 on Mar 22, 2022 15:07:54 GMT -5
As a couple have eluded to on this thread already...
If alums keep writing checks annually to support this embarrassing continuance of mediocrity -- nothing will change. Ever.
Wanna make waves?? Wanna get some attention?? STOP DONATING MONEY.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 22, 2022 16:19:47 GMT -5
"Mediocrity" would be a significant upgrade in at least 20 of the 27 sports.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 26, 2022 22:37:24 GMT -5
The Men's Tennis team beat Assumption this year -- progress. We did take a bath against MIT so I'd say there's still work to be done there. Hope Kit is watching.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 27, 2022 8:03:53 GMT -5
Yesterday’s results:
Softball swept Bucknell.
Baseball split with Navy
M and W tennis both lost to Loyola.
Women’s lax lost to American 19-7.
Men’s lax lost to Navy 14-8.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 27, 2022 9:14:27 GMT -5
Three wins is better than usual.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 27, 2022 15:00:25 GMT -5
I suggest the school come to a consensus. A sport is either DCA or CA; as in Don't Care About and Care About.
There's at most a dozen CAs*; it's not feasible to have more in a school HC's size. The DCAs are D1 in name only; loss leaders, ones that prospective students can say "hey, I can play a D1 sport there...".
Do everything you can to make the CAs competitive or better; the DCAs do whatever it takes to make them safe and enjoyable for the competitors, but little else. You don't finish last unless it's a sport your fellow PL members also don't care about.
*most likely impossible to have a DCA sport for women and the corresponding sport for men be CA.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 27, 2022 16:55:03 GMT -5
I suggest the school come to a consensus. A sport is either DCA or CA; as in Don't Care About and Care About. There's at most a dozen CAs*; it's not feasible to have more in a school HC's size. The DCAs are D1 in name only; loss leaders, ones that prospective students can say "hey, I can play a D1 sport there...". Do everything you can to make the CAs competitive or better; the DCAs do whatever it takes to make them safe and enjoyable for the competitors, but little else. You don't finish last unless it's a sport your fellow PL members also don't care about. *most likely impossible to have a DCA sport for women and the corresponding sport for men be CA. True, especially with the scholarship $$ needed to offset football. I think for most part the athletic portfolio looks like this: M/W Golf - DCA M/W Tennis - DCA M/W Rowing - DCA => note that Men's Rowing is club technically but is able to compete at NCAA level due to alumni funding. This is one sport where you don't need a ton of institutional $$ to be competitive at collegiate level, which works out great for Holy Cross. Rowing kind of doubles as a "participation sport" but at the same time our top boats are always pretty darn competitive. M Track & XC - DCA W Track & XC - CA => nice dumping ground for football equivalencies M/W Swimming - DCA M/W Soccer - CA Field Hockey - CA Volleyball - DCA Baseball/Softball - CA M/W Lacrosse - CA M/W Hockey - CA M/W Basketball - CA M/W Ice Hockey - CA Football - CA |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 27, 2022 17:39:25 GMT -5
Men's Tennis took 4 out of 6 matches against Lafayette today at West Point. Big win!
Next up: our favorite NEC stalwarts Merrimack and Bryant.
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Post by fillfittonfield on Mar 27, 2022 23:10:28 GMT -5
Men's Tennis took 4 out of 6 matches against Lafayette today at West Point. Big win! Next up: our favorite NEC stalwarts Merrimack and Bryant. Genuinely happy for the men’s tennis team. Just for fun (yes, I have issues), I decided to look up when the last time our Men’s tennis team earned a win against another Patriot League team. According to my research, the last PL victory was in…wait for it…1998. Can anyone guess the opponent?  |
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 28, 2022 2:44:09 GMT -5
Golf and Tennis at most schools are used to bring in international students. Don't see that at HC why?
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 28, 2022 10:08:44 GMT -5
Golf and Tennis at most schools are used to bring in international students. Don't see that at HC why? Everything regarding admissions needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century it appears. In a job posting for a recent coach or AD opening that was shared on Crossports I noticed some neat soaring verbiage that everything at HC is integrated with all departments working together towards one shared mission, or words to that effect. HC should be looking to kill two birds with one stone in ways you suggest. At least coaches and admissions should be meeting regularly to get on the same page together to advance Holy Cross, under the guidance of a PVR representative who speaks for the President and his vision. |
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