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Post by efg72 on Oct 19, 2022 11:26:08 GMT -5
But the environment in college athletics has changed
Nimbleness is now required
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Post by hcnj on Oct 19, 2022 13:26:15 GMT -5
I hadn't even thought about that. I can't say that I blame a kid who uncommits from a partial to get a full scholarship. Absolutely! Recruiting is a game that these coaches play and to your point partial versus full and mid season tapes that the kid is showing to promote himself make a huge differance. Thus why a kid committs and then takes a trip to another school. Best offer wins the race. I actually find this pretty disturbing, if it's becoming common. Specifically, verbal committing with no intention of going to a school if something better comes along before NLI. I'd be upset if our staff is out making offers to all of the players others schools have verbals for. I don't like schools offering players post verbal but accept it's done and don't have a problem with the guys posting a thank you. De-committing is fine. Negotiating over Twitter seems insane. A kid or parents can call their contact at HC and discuss their issues. Meanwhile you just say thank you as Mullaly and Smith have done. I somehow doubt we are out soliciting other schools commits or telling kids if we find someone better/cheaper that we'll pull an offer. Survival of the fittest may sound macho but the purpose of committing and NLI's I thought was to prevent it. |
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Post by alum on Oct 19, 2022 13:47:28 GMT -5
Absolutely! Recruiting is a game that these coaches play and to your point partial versus full and mid season tapes that the kid is showing to promote himself make a huge differance. Thus why a kid committs and then takes a trip to another school. Best offer wins the race. I actually find this pretty disturbing, if it's becoming common. Specifically, verbal committing with no intention of going to a school if something better comes along before NLI. I'd be upset if our staff is out making offers to all of the players others schools have verbals for. I don't like schools offering players post verbal but accept it's done and don't have a problem with the guys posting a thank you. De-committing is fine. Negotiating over Twitter seems insane. A kid or parents can call their contact at HC and discuss their issues. Meanwhile you just say thank you as Mullaly and Smith have done. I somehow doubt we are out soliciting other schools commits or telling kids if we find someone better/cheaper that we'll pull an offer. Survival of the fittest may sound macho but the purpose of committing and NLI's I thought was to prevent it. As we know, the verbals aren't worth the paper they aren't written on. Maybe the NLI date should be moved up? And, if there is or was a "gentlemen's agreement" not to poach other team's commits, isn't that a restraint of trade? |
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Post by hcnj on Oct 20, 2022 15:09:03 GMT -5
[quote timestamp="1666203975" source="/post/254041/thread" author="@hcn As we know, the verbals aren't worth the paper they aren't written on. Maybe the NLI date should be moved up? And, if there is or was a "gentlemen's agreement" not to poach other team's commits, isn't that a restraint of trade? I guess so, Stu just posted another FBS offer (Army). I hope we hold these guys. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 20, 2022 15:54:03 GMT -5
IIRC, several years ago the WaPo reported that Navy had 160 players on its roster. I tend to look at these late offers as often just building roster numbers. For the class entering fall of 2022, Army had over 50 freshmen on the roster. blackknightnation.com/2022-army-football-freshman-roster/ |
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Post by hcnj on Oct 24, 2022 13:49:03 GMT -5
IIRC, several years ago the WaPo reported that Navy had 160 players on its roster. I tend to look at these late offers as often just building roster numbers. For the class entering fall of 2022, Army had over 50 freshmen on the roster. blackknightnation.com/2022-army-football-freshman-roster/Clearly the academies are in a different situation and I understand. The "great game visit and offer..." From a non-academy poked me a bit. I'm looking forward to the potential new offers that pop up in November when schools reassess what they need and unsigned players reassess their potential landing spots. |
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Post by midwestsader05 on Oct 25, 2022 9:29:18 GMT -5
Bradyen Holmes officially de-commits this morning. Sucks in the short term but I’m on the record questioning whether HC was the right “Fit” for him and vice versa. Several here know, I thought it was unlikely he would make it to his sophomore much less junior year.
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Post by football44 on Oct 25, 2022 10:31:43 GMT -5
Bradyen Holmes officially de-commits this morning. Sucks in the short term but I’m on the record questioning whether HC was the right “Fit” for him and vice versa. Several here know, I thought it was unlikely he would make it to his sophomore much less junior year. I've always said that it is very tough to recruit this type of kid to come to HC. He's from the south and is accustomed to playing in a warmer climate not to mention there a number of FCS schools (Mercer,Furman) that are closer to his home to where his parents can get there from Georgia easier. Don't hate the kid. He wrote a very nice letter to Chesney and the staff. We need to control the Northeast corridor of the US and stay in our lane and find top flight kids playing in competitive Catholic leagues across the US. JMO!! |
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Post by midwestsader05 on Oct 25, 2022 11:41:07 GMT -5
Exactly 44! Well said
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 25, 2022 12:22:23 GMT -5
Watched the Bergen Catholic win over St Peter's (42-27). Two players stood out. They said the BC lineman who is in charge of the offensive line is headed to HC in 2023 (Sean Woods, 6'4", 280). They also have a soph receiver (fast and 6'5" in height) named Quincy Porter who caught three break-away TD passes in the first half. I would love to see HC reach out to him early.
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Post by hcnj on Oct 25, 2022 13:26:28 GMT -5
Bradyen Holmes officially de-commits this morning. Sucks in the short term but I’m on the record questioning whether HC was the right “Fit” for him and vice versa. Several here know, I thought it was unlikely he would make it to his sophomore much less junior year. I've always said that it is very tough to recruit this type of kid to come to HC. He's from the south and is accustomed to playing in a warmer climate not to mention there a number of FCS schools (Mercer,Furman) that are closer to his home to where his parents can get there from Georgia easier. Don't hate the kid. He wrote a very nice letter to Chesney and the staff. We need to control the Northeast corridor of the US and stay in our lane and find top flight kids playing in competitive Catholic leagues across the US. JMO!! I don't hate him but certainly smelled a rat when he stuck his gushing tweet in there. He waited a long time as an "unknown" commit and was the first to run. D-backfield is still a critical need IMHO. |
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Post by hcnj on Oct 25, 2022 13:37:59 GMT -5
Watched the Bergen Catholic win over St Peter's (42-27). Two players stood out. They said the BC lineman who is in charge of the offensive line is headed to HC in 2023 (Sean Woods, 280). They also have a soph receiver (fast and 6'5" in height) named Quincy Porter who caught three break-away TD passes in the first half. I would love to see HC reach out to him early. Rgs, I know you're also a BC guy like me. Porter is a capital S stud from what I know. Like top 10 programs good. He ain't coming but they have a ton of guys who are possible in younger classes. Sean Woods is a very good recruit. Ross from our current frosh class is another excellent recruit. |
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Post by dharry13 on Oct 25, 2022 13:41:37 GMT -5
DBs are a critical need. Prince, Haskins, Kreimer, Smith, Argys, Young, Reynolds, Molton, Kelly, Marucot, Burns all Seniors.
At least 5 are definitely gone. 6 could come back but I doubt all 6 will come back for a variety of reasons. If 3/4 come back that means 7 to 8 are gone.
So far 3 verbal commits. Stu Smith just visited Army.
Yep - I know. The Coaches have a plan. Just laying out the facts. They prob need 3 more DBs in this class and 4 if Smith were to go.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 25, 2022 14:55:02 GMT -5
Watched the Bergen Catholic win over St Peter's (42-27). Two players stood out. They said the BC lineman who is in charge of the offensive line is headed to HC in 2023 (Sean Woods, 280). They also have a soph receiver (fast and 6'5" in height) named Quincy Porter who caught three break-away TD passes in the first half. I would love to see HC reach out to him early. Rgs, I know you're also a BC guy like me. Porter is a capital S stud from what I know. Like top 10 programs good. He ain't coming but they have a ton of guys who are possible in younger classes. Sean Woods is a very good recruit. Ross from our current frosh class is another excellent recruit. Younger classes? Remember, Porter is only a sophomore this year. Getting on board now can't hurt...and he can talk to fellow Crusaders who have gone to HC ahead of him. |
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Post by hcnj on Oct 25, 2022 20:46:46 GMT -5
Rgs, there are several other 24s and 25s that are good, not as highly sought after as Porter. I love your optimism if you think he's going to be looking at the HC's going into senior year. I hope you're right. Here's a quick quote from an ND recruiting site from August before his soph season, "The 2025 New Jersey wide receiver currently holds offers from Syracuse, Duke, Boston College, Rutgers and Michigan" and he picked up Penn State this week. My comment is that there are many other players in the sophmore and junior classes at BC that IMO are more realistic. I'm fine if our staff goes after him, they know a lot more than me about who they might land.
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Post by hc6774 on Oct 26, 2022 6:44:08 GMT -5
Rgs, there are several other 24s and 25s that are good, not as highly sought after as Porter. I love your optimism if you think he's going to be looking at the HC's going into senior year. I hope you're right. Here's a quick quote from an ND recruiting site from August before his soph season, "The 2025 New Jersey wide receiver currently holds offers from Syracuse, Duke, Boston College, Rutgers and Michigan" and he picked up Penn State this week. My comment is that there are many other players in the sophmore and junior classes at BC that IMO are more realistic. I'm fine if our staff goes after him, they know a lot more than me about who they might land. will he make a visit official or unofficial btw like rgs BC'63 |
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 26, 2022 7:00:34 GMT -5
That was without doubt a good year for BC grads (the "good" BC Crusaders, not the other one).  |
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 26, 2022 7:01:59 GMT -5
Like to think, from some who have actually come to HC, that we are past the time when simply an offer from a P5 school automatically disqualified HC from consideration. But that is just my wild optimism.  |
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Post by hc2020 on Oct 26, 2022 19:50:48 GMT -5
DBs are a critical need. Prince, Haskins, Kreimer, Smith, Argys, Young, Reynolds, Molton, Kelly, Marucot, Burns all Seniors. At least 5 are definitely gone. 6 could come back but I doubt all 6 will come back for a variety of reasons. If 3/4 come back that means 7 to 8 are gone. So far 3 verbal commits. Stu Smith just visited Army. Yep - I know. The Coaches have a plan. Just laying out the facts. They prob need 3 more DBs in this class and 4 if Smith were to go. Agree 100%. Another area where we are thin is at RB. Oliver is done after this year and Purdy and Forrest are both seniors. I believe one of them is likely coming back. That leaves Fuller, Rivers and Slade as returning RBs. I believe we have one RB commit in this class, but that still is a small number of RBs. With the amount of contact RBs absorb through a season, that is a position that needs a lot of depth. |
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Post by HC92 on Oct 30, 2022 7:17:17 GMT -5
Pretty sure Jones is supposed to be a DB for us but has some skills offensively and as a returner too.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 30, 2022 11:07:00 GMT -5
Think the HC win over Fordham helped to solidify some future recruits and their LOIs? |
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Post by HC92 on Oct 30, 2022 11:48:43 GMT -5
I know this comes up a lot but we really need to get cameras on the visitor's side to give the games more of a big time feel on tv with a packed home side. Hopefully packed home sides become the exception rather than the rule. Helps recruiting when a kid watches our game and sees the sea of purple on the home side. Not many FCS programs in the northeast draw as well as we do. Certainly not in the PL or Ivies except for The Game. Unless Princeton draws we’ll now.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 30, 2022 12:10:35 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how many fans we draw to Fitton Field in our two remaining games. One should hope that attendance will be good based on HC having its best team in decades and with many fans introduced/reintroduced to HC football in the Fordham game. Here are some late season games
Nov 8, 2019 Lafayette= 5,236
Nov 23, 2019 Georgetown= 7,152
Nov 6, 2021 Lafayette= 6,514
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 30, 2022 12:36:37 GMT -5
From the visitor side looking at the home crowd seats from a Classmate:  |
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Post by Chu Chu on Oct 30, 2022 13:57:31 GMT -5
From the visitor side looking at the home crowd seats from a Classmate: View AttachmentThis side not only shows the crowd, it also provides a nice view of our signature spires! |
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