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Post by sarasota on Nov 26, 2016 23:29:59 GMT -5
hc87- Front porch? Is that why nobody goes to fball games at Fitton? Not in the eyes of about 27 other higher ranked liberal arts colleges in the US.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 26, 2016 23:35:25 GMT -5
. The FCS playoffs are a quandary imo....as I've posted before, they are a necessary evil (to not get recruited against by not participating I suppose) ...but it's lengthy, drawn-out affair with very little fan-fare and more often than not are dominated by small state public universities or 2nd tier state schools....nothing against these schools per se but we have very little in common with them. I really wouldn't miss them one iota if we didn't participate in them. I agree. I'd much rather see us play Fordham on the last weekend every year, or better yet have a true Patriot League Championship the following weekend. I'm not sure why we can't stand up to he PL if it's true that they don't want other schools to have rivalries to potentially "take away" from Lehigh-Lafayette.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 26, 2016 23:52:24 GMT -5
hc87- Front porch? Is that why nobody goes to fball games at Fitton? Not in the eyes of about 27 other higher ranked liberal arts colleges in the US. Hard to disagree...I'll say this, dropping scholarships absolutely gutted the football program. When HC had scholarships in the FCS in the 80s/early 90s, Fitton was a very lively environment for alumni/students/locals alike. While I don't have much faith in this current coaching regime to return us to that level (and to be fair, he probably isn't getting the administrative support he needs to do so) if we could get close to that level again, the investment in football would be worth it imo.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 27, 2016 3:19:21 GMT -5
Prior to this season, North Dakota State has won this Championship FIVE STRAIGHT TIMES. How many Americans know that? How many Americans care? How many Americans know there is a North Dakota State? How many Americans know there is a North Dakota? My god, is this what we're spending Millions on? Football has become the tail that wags the dog at HC. It's a thousand pound anchor on our bball program.How many people would know of North Dakota State if the football team wasn't dominate? I doubt anyone. They are known now as a football power and a great place for a washed up FBS player to transfer to and play at a very high level.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Nov 27, 2016 7:37:40 GMT -5
The blow out of Lehigh just goes to show how bad the PL is. I know people will still think that the PL is the best place for HC. We need our basketball team to get into a better league, ask most fans and they would agree. YOU'RE RIGHT !!!!!!! The PL is an embarrassing environment for HC athletics, such as it is. A move to a league other than the PL has seemed appropriate for some time. I thought the blowout of Lehigh ( only one of the teams that blew the doors off of HC this year ) is another statement of how inappropriate the PL is for HC and how much of a mismatch HC is for the PL. Time for HC to stop pretending it's something that it's not, and gradually work it's way up to this kind of competition. I think a move to the NEC, the Pioneer Football League or DIII is the appropriate move! Seriously?
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Post by hcgrad94 on Nov 27, 2016 7:38:39 GMT -5
We didn't take Colgate seriously last year. Today UNH treated Lehigh seriously. Did JMU subsequently not take Colgate seriously after UNH didn't take Colgate seriously?
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Post by unhfan on Nov 27, 2016 8:00:05 GMT -5
We didn't take Colgate seriously last year. Today UNH treated Lehigh seriously. Did JMU subsequently not take Colgate seriously after UNH didn't take Colgate seriously? I can not speak for JMU but this week Crossan and DeAndre for UNH both when speaking to the media mentioned that last year they were looking past Colgate to JMU as they had handled Colgate pretty easily early on that season. They said their focus was only about 60% on Colgate as we saw based on the results last year when UNH didn't start to play until the second half and it was too late. Yesterday they treated their opponent with respect and prepared for a Lehigh team that many have called the best PL team in a few years.
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Post by unhfan on Nov 27, 2016 8:05:45 GMT -5
You know, since Lehigh lost 64-21 to the Wildcats, I am feeling pretty good that Holy Cross only lost by 11 to UNH earlier in the year and feeling even better knowing that Pujals had an outstanding game against them with 427 yards passing on 42 of 64 attempts and 3 TDs plus rushing for another. Does anyone doubt our record would have been significantly better had he not missed most of this year and happy that he will be returning next season? Let's see how UNH does in their re-match with their league champs, James Madison, who they lost to by only 42-39. I will be rooting for the Wildcats. FWIW your QB is the best in my opinion that UNH played against all season hands down. I felt bad for you guys that he was injured as I think he could have really helped you guys challenge for the PL title.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 27, 2016 8:19:34 GMT -5
We didn't take Colgate seriously last year. UNH fan, you usually post reasonably. but this is a pathetic excuse for a playoff loss.
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Post by unhfan on Nov 27, 2016 8:25:32 GMT -5
We didn't take Colgate seriously last year. UNH fan, you usually post reasonably. but this is a pathetic excuse for a playoff loss. Hoops, let me repost what I said earlier. This was in all of the newspapers this week with quotes from UNH's players you admitted they did not take Colgate seriously. They were looking ahead to JMU as they had beaten up Colgate at their place already that season. You might disagree with the logic but it makes sense. I don't think it's right as I'm a big respect your opponent no matter who they are guy and always have been.
Here is the post I made on this thread earlier that might clear it up for you...
"I can not speak for JMU but this week Crossan and DeAndre for UNH both when speaking to the media mentioned that last year they were looking past Colgate to JMU as they had handled Colgate pretty easily early on that season. They said their focus was only about 60% on Colgate as we saw based on the results last year when UNH didn't start to play until the second half and it was too late. Yesterday they treated their opponent with respect and prepared for a Lehigh team that many have called the best PL team in a few years. "
Let me assure you I'm not making this stuff up.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 27, 2016 8:30:05 GMT -5
Thanks. Not surprised about Crossan. I knew him when he was very young. He was very arrogant then. It seems as if he did not change.
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Post by unhfan on Nov 27, 2016 8:55:12 GMT -5
Prior to this season, North Dakota State has won this Championship FIVE STRAIGHT TIMES. How many Americans know that? How many Americans care? How many Americans know there is a North Dakota State? How many Americans know there is a North Dakota? My god, is this what we're spending Millions on? Football has become the tail that wags the dog at HC. It's a thousand pound anchor on our bball program.How many people would know of North Dakota State if the football team wasn't dominate? I doubt anyone. They are known now as a football power and a great place for a washed up FBS player to transfer to and play at a very high level. I think North Dakota State is a lot more then washed up FBS players. They have the great advantage of not having professional sports in their state and of being the team! They get a lot of players who are FBS level talents but just not Big Ten talent so they commit to NDSU. The state and the community love their team and you see it with the numbers they put up in attendance every year! That part of the country is a college sports first pro second mentality compared to New England where it's all about Pro Sports.
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Post by realism on Nov 27, 2016 12:13:51 GMT -5
The blow out of Lehigh just goes to show how bad the PL is. I know people will still think that the PL is the best place for HC. We need our basketball team to get into a better league, ask most fans and they would agree. YOU'RE RIGHT !!!!!!! The PL is an embarrassing environment for HC athletics, such as it is. A move to a league other than the PL has seemed appropriate for some time. I thought the blowout of Lehigh ( only one of the teams that blew the doors off of HC this year ) is another statement of how inappropriate the PL is for HC and how much of a mismatch HC is for the PL. Time for HC to stop pretending it's something that it's not, and gradually work it's way up to this kind of competition. I think a move to the NEC, the Pioneer Football League or DIII is the appropriate move! Face it, H.C. is a fish out of water in the P.L.. H.C. isn't really taken seriously by the rest of the Patriot League. All of the P.L. fb schools and almost all of the other institutions comprising the league have had up and down periods of administrative support of intercollegiate athletics. Almost all, parallel with the ascendance of the P.L., have appropriately adapted pieces of their athletic history into a newly defined brand that emphasizes the PL niche of Div. 1 athletics and highly selective admissions standards. The institutions and their alumni have been living that. With that newly defined brand, they're very successful in recruiting student athletes that are attracted to this niche. The "pieces of their athletic history," as interesting as they are, were never tarnished by decades of absolute neglect. Until posters on this board accept that there is a price to be paid for this neglect, the turnaround will remain a very frustrating illusion. Don't blane the P.L.. The P.L. institutions are very happy with who they are.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 27, 2016 14:45:47 GMT -5
You realize, of course, don't you, that even if we occasionally win the PL fball championship, the attendance at Fitton and interest at the school and in Worcester County will not materially increase--yet it will still cost us $Millions. Nobody in Worcester County, nor among the HC alumni, nor among the HC student body cares about the schools in the PL, no matter how well we perform there. The only HC sports that have even the remotest chance of exciting those constituencies are bball and hockey. PLEASE stop denying reality. Unlike the bball and hockey worlds, the fball world has changed to the point were there is no good place for us other than resigning ourselves to a non-scholarship program in a different league. Nothing much will really change. We'll still have a fball program but still nobody will come to Fitton. We'll still be able to attract plenty of high school fball players who play for the love of the game. And because we will be playing with other non-scholarship schools, the games will be competitive and fun for the players and fans.
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Post by jflare on Nov 27, 2016 15:04:46 GMT -5
Crowd that day was about 11,000++ Not bad for about 8-9 degrees with a major winter storm forecast for late that evening ( got about 10") It was freezing cold. Kind of like the 5-3 loss to Syracuse at Fitton in November of 1973 ( Bitter cold 4-5 degrees !! ) Was at both games
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 27, 2016 21:49:27 GMT -5
. The FCS playoffs are a quandary imo....as I've posted before, they are a necessary evil (to not get recruited against by not participating I suppose) ...but it's lengthy, drawn-out affair with very little fan-fare and more often than not are dominated by small state public universities or 2nd tier state schools....nothing against these schools per se but we have very little in common with them. I really wouldn't miss them one iota if we didn't participate in them. I agree. I'd much rather see us play Fordham on the last weekend every year, or better yet have a true Patriot League Championship the following weekend. I'm not sure why we can't stand up to he PL if it's true that they don't want other schools to have rivalries to potentially "take away" from Lehigh-Lafayette. ======================================================================================================= Caro, the reason there we don't have a true "rivalry week" in the PL is because there is an odd number of teams in the league, meaning that someone always has to end the season with a bye (that was us this year). So for now, the last week of the season for us rotates between Fordham, Georgetown, Bucknell, Colgate and BYE. Lehigh and Lafayette obviously play each other every year during rivalry week (I think after 152 games, they've earned it). Let's say the league added Duquesne as our 8th member. The last week of the season could look like this: Lehigh-Lafayette Colgate-Bucknell Fordham-Holy Cross Georgetown-Duqesne
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 27, 2016 21:58:38 GMT -5
I agree. I'd much rather see us play Fordham on the last weekend every year, or better yet have a true Patriot League Championship the following weekend. I'm not sure why we can't stand up to he PL if it's true that they don't want other schools to have rivalries to potentially "take away" from Lehigh-Lafayette. ======================================================================================================= Caro, the reason there we don't have a true "rivalry week" in the PL is because there is an odd number of teams in the league, meaning that someone always has to end the season with a bye (that was us this year). So for now, the last week of the season for us rotates between Fordham, Georgetown, Bucknell, Colgate and BYE. Lehigh and Lafayette obviously play each other every year during rivalry week (I think after 152 games, they've earned it). Let's say the league added Duquesne as our 8th member. The last week of the season could look like this: Lehigh-Lafayette Colgate-Bucknell Fordham-Holy Cross Georgetown-Duqesne Why don't we just rotate on another weekend and tell Georgetown they're out of luck if they're not going to treat football seriously?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 27, 2016 22:05:24 GMT -5
How many people would know of North Dakota State if the football team wasn't dominate? I doubt anyone. They are known now as a football power and a great place for a washed up FBS player to transfer to and play at a very high level. I think North Dakota State is a lot more then washed up FBS players. They have the great advantage of not having professional sports in their state and of being the team! They get a lot of players who are FBS level talents but just not Big Ten talent so they commit to NDSU. The state and the community love their team and you see it with the numbers they put up in attendance every year! That part of the country is a college sports first pro second mentality compared to New England where it's all about Pro Sports. UNHfan, you are exactly right. Not only does NDSU not have to compete with an FBS school in their state, the nearby state either don't have FBS or only have one school playing at that level. In Minnesota, you have the Gophers and then it's a steep drop down to D2/D3. In Wisconsin, it's the badgers and then a bunch of D3s. The NDSU Bison are to North Dakota what the Patriots are to New England -- just go on AnyGivenSaturday and you'll see that their posters make up about half the site's traffic. Only reason they are not FBS now is because they would represent a geographic outpost for either of the two conferences that they currently make sense for them to join (MAC and MWC). Their recent teams could probably beat anyone in the country outside the AP top 10 at home in the Fargo Dome. And like you pointed out, they've done it by running a program from the ground up without transfers en masse, a la Sam Houston, Jax State, Delaware, Towson and others have been known to do. FWIW, I still think you should have to sit out a year transferring from FBS to FCS since it's still Division I.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 27, 2016 22:08:57 GMT -5
Why don't we just rotate on another weekend and tell Georgetown they're out of luck if they're not going to treat football seriously? I suppose it's possible to leave Georgetown out the last week of the season and establish the other three rivalry games for that week but that would be extremely unfair to the Hoyas. It would mean that they would play every season without a BYE week, like we did this year.
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Post by JRGNYR on Nov 28, 2016 8:49:54 GMT -5
Why don't we just rotate on another weekend and tell Georgetown they're out of luck if they're not going to treat football seriously? Unless the league had some requirement about the number of scholarships or equivalencies that a program must adhere to, you can't single out one conference member for a disadvantage like that - unless they volunteered to do so on their own. However, absent of that, it's incumbent upon the conference to treat Georgetown as equals with the rest of the membership. That's how conferences are designed to operate.
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Post by 6sader7 on Nov 29, 2016 9:34:02 GMT -5
So San Diego ended up upsetting Cal Poly and heads to North Dakota State this weekend to face them.
My brother just sent me this clip of the home team entrance there:
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Post by timholycross on Nov 29, 2016 11:17:03 GMT -5
Why don't we just rotate on another weekend and tell Georgetown they're out of luck if they're not going to treat football seriously? Unless the league had some requirement about the number of scholarships or equivalencies that a program must adhere to, you can't single out one conference member for a disadvantage like that - unless they volunteered to do so on their own. However, absent of that, it's incumbent upon the conference to treat Georgetown as equals with the rest of the membership. That's how conferences are designed to operate. I looked at the season ending matchups for HC from 2004 onward (I'm assuming 2003 was Towson's last year in the league as they were on that schedule). The ones with an asterisk are finales where the season ended a week early. 2004 @gu 2005 @bucknell 2006 @cu *************** 2007 CU 2008 @cu 2009 @bucknell 2010 Bucknell 2011 @fordham 2012 @gu 2013 GU 2014 @gu 2015 GU 2016 Fordham ********** What I find odd is I can't detect any pattern to it. You'd think that HC would have been the odd team out in 2011 for example, but they weren't. You'd think that they would play Fordham, GU, CU and Bucknell in consecutive years (or each of those two at a time, home and home), but they don't. The exercise brought back some bitter memories of two of the games at Colgate, 2006 and 2008. 2006 a go-ahead chip shot field goal was either missed or the snap/hold/blocking misfired. In 2008 Gilmore punted late in the game (even though the D was cooked) and never got the ball back.
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Post by rickii on Nov 29, 2016 11:50:01 GMT -5
I still contend there aren't too many things in the sports world as undahwhelming as the FCS playoffs. I know it may be a necessary evil to be able to participate in them to keep pace with other schools recruiting at our level etc....but I just find the whole process dull, disjointed and anti-climatic. Back in 1983, Western Carolina visited HC for a FCS playoff game. Whatever the interest of HC fans in this game, I don't recall many actually coming. I remember being directed to sit on the Western Carolina side to help fill the visitor's stands, while across the field on the HC side there were huge areas of empty seats. Attendance listed at 10,500....one of if not the smallest home crowd that year.
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Post by rickii on Nov 29, 2016 12:08:07 GMT -5
You know, since Lehigh lost 64-21 to the Wildcats, I am feeling pretty good that Holy Cross only lost by 11 to UNH earlier in the year and feeling even better knowing that Pujals had an outstanding game against them with 427 yards passing on 42 of 64 attempts and 3 TDs plus rushing for another. Does anyone doubt our record would have been significantly better had he not missed most of this year and happy that he will be returning next season? Let's see how UNH does in their re-match with their league champs, James Madison, who they lost to by only 42-39. I will be rooting for the Wildcats. Respectfully, Pujals doesn't play defence so yes, I doubt our record would have been significantly better.
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Post by purplenurple on Nov 29, 2016 12:26:07 GMT -5
Back in 1983, Western Carolina visited HC for a FCS playoff game. Whatever the interest of HC fans in this game, I don't recall many actually coming. I remember being directed to sit on the Western Carolina side to help fill the visitor's stands, while across the field on the HC side there were huge areas of empty seats. Attendance listed at 10,500....one of if not the smallest home crowd that year. I was not there as I was not born yet, but I thought I recalled others saying that it was a bitterly cold day, which may have driven down attendance.
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