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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 5, 2022 21:48:21 GMT -5
The school that worries me the most in losing Ches's services is about 40 miles east on Rte 9 in Newton. Maybe not this year, but down the road, it's really the most logical step in many ways. Plus either of the academies. It’s worth noting that a PL head coach has never gone straight to becoming an FBS head coach in the history of the league. That said, I think we all know Chesney is on the fast track, if he wants it. Just don’t get the sense he’d take a MAC-type job, though. He’s a smart enough guy to know it will have to be a really good and right situation where he can be successful.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 5, 2022 21:49:35 GMT -5
The school that worries me the most in losing Ches's services is about 40 miles east on Rte 9 in Newton. Maybe not this year, but down the road, it's really the most logical step in many ways. Indubitably as it would be his fourth New England Catholic School at his fourth level of college football. BC also qualifies as a team in dire need of a turnaround.
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Post by hcnj on Dec 5, 2022 21:52:29 GMT -5
Foles, I don't know what your occupation is but you should consider becoming a sports agent. Very few have the vision to have seen this obvious natural matchup.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 5, 2022 21:53:40 GMT -5
The school that worries me the most in losing Ches's services is about 40 miles east on Rte 9 in Newton. Maybe not this year, but down the road, it's really the most logical step in many ways. Plus either of the academies. It’s worth noting that a PL head coach has never gone straight to becoming an FBS head coach in the history of the league. That said, I think we all know Chesney is on the fast track, if he wants it. Just don’t get the sense he’d take a MAC-type job, though. He’s a smart enough guy to know it will have to be a really good and right situation where he can be successful. Duff went directly from PL HC to ACC Maryland in 92 lest we forget.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 5, 2022 21:57:23 GMT -5
Plus either of the academies. It’s worth noting that a PL head coach has never gone straight to becoming an FBS head coach in the history of the league. That said, I think we all know Chesney is on the fast track, if he wants it. Just don’t get the sense he’d take a MAC-type job, though. He’s a smart enough guy to know it will have to be a really good and right situation where he can be successful. Duff went directly from PL HC to ACC Maryland in 92 lest we forget. Ah yes, forgot the PL was formed at this time.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 5, 2022 22:01:11 GMT -5
Keep an eye on Navy if they launch Niumatalolo. A Loss to Army on Sat and this could go down.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 5, 2022 22:09:44 GMT -5
I dunno....sort of skeptical on a move to Navy. Just doesn't seem the right fit, not a big enough jump from HC to Annapolis etc. Delaware beat Navy this year for instance. Army and Navy are really only a half-step a biggah job when HC is as good a job as it is right now, and maybe not even that.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 5, 2022 22:11:37 GMT -5
Duff was 60-5-1 when he left for the FBS job at Maryland - how did that work out ? Not all excellent FCS coaches transition well into FBS
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 5, 2022 22:27:08 GMT -5
If/when Coach Chesney leaves HC, under the right circumstances, I too, would think BC is where he'd go because, yes, it's not only Jesuit Catholic but he could make it work without moving which I think is very important for his family. Not sure they could afford him though!
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 6, 2022 1:15:01 GMT -5
I dunno....sort of skeptical on a move to Navy. Just doesn't seem the right fit, not a big enough jump from HC to Annapolis etc. Delaware beat Navy this year for instance. Army and Navy are really only a half-step a biggah job when HC is as good a job as it is right now, and maybe not even that. It is a better job and more prestigious than HC. It is much tougher to win at Navy though with them being in a conference now unlike Army. Chesney coached at Johns Hopkins in the past too...
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 6, 2022 1:23:15 GMT -5
Next year, we may not run the regular season table with two FBS games on the schedule but, if both Sluka and Dobbs are healthy going into the 2023 FCS playoffs, I think that our chances of advancing past the quarterfinal round of the FCS playoffs may be better than this year’s. HCBC says the team is on a “mission” to win an FCS championship. I hope that he won’t leave us before that mission is accomplished and don’t think he will. The HC football program's goal, as enunciated by the previous AD, the current AD, and the HC, is to win a national championship. This goal was set prior to the 2021 season. The goal was set with the buy-in of the HC. This is presumably a goal that Chesney has repeatedly enunciated to the team and to recruits. To take a job at North Texas State would be unlike Chesney, He would be quitting early on not only his goal, but on his t team, and on his incoming recruits. If HC were to win the national championship this year -- unlikely -- then all bets on his tenure are off. But I very much doubt he would take a HC position at North Texas State, regardless The announcers at Saturday's game said that UNH has had only three head coaches in the last umpteen years, A successful program in recent decades, and the head coach didn't jump. Why? Three head coach since 1972....The main reason is Sean McDonnell was an alum of the program (1975-1978) and worked under the previous coach Bill Bowes also from 1991-1998. They had Santos as WR Coach for a couple of years from 2013-2015, then Santos spent time at Columbia as the QB coach down there for three seasons from 2015-2018. He then became an assistant coach back at UNH in 2019 where he was named the interim head coach when Sean got cancer and spent 2020 and 2021 as the Associate HC and QB coach.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 6, 2022 3:39:57 GMT -5
Next year, we may not run the regular season table with two FBS games on the schedule but, if both Sluka and Dobbs are healthy going into the 2023 FCS playoffs, I think that our chances of advancing past the quarterfinal round of the FCS playoffs may be better than this year’s. HCBC says the team is on a “mission” to win an FCS championship. I hope that he won’t leave us before that mission is accomplished and don’t think he will. The HC football program's goal, as enunciated by the previous AD, the current AD, and the HC, is to win a national championship. This goal was set prior to the 2021 season. The goal was set with the buy-in of the HC. This is presumably a goal that Chesney has repeatedly enunciated to the team and to recruits. To take a job at North Texas State would be unlike Chesney, He would be quitting early on not only his goal, but on his t team, and on his incoming recruits. ... Don't think a serious run on the National Championship is realistic without 5th-years. Last year and this year represent our only playoff wins and our only years with decent numbers of 5th-years. This year quite a few. In which case one could suggest the window is closing for HC (and Fordham, BTW) as the Covid-year players move thru (and no non-medical redshirt adjustments in PL have been made). Wonder if that is some sort a factor in Chesney's personal calculations regarding timing and a potential move?
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Post by hcpride on Dec 6, 2022 4:05:09 GMT -5
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 6, 2022 6:16:55 GMT -5
The HC football program's goal, as enunciated by the previous AD, the current AD, and the HC, is to win a national championship. This goal was set prior to the 2021 season. The goal was set with the buy-in of the HC. This is presumably a goal that Chesney has repeatedly enunciated to the team and to recruits. To take a job at North Texas State would be unlike Chesney, He would be quitting early on not only his goal, but on his t team, and on his incoming recruits. ... Don't think a serious run on the National Championship is realistic without 5th-years. Last year and this year represent our only playoff wins and our only years with decent numbers of 5th-years. This year quite a few. In which case one could suggest the window is closing for HC (and Fordham, BTW) as the Covid-year players move thru (and no non-medical redshirt adjustments in PL have been made). Wonder if that is some sort a factor in Chesney's personal calculations regarding timing and a potential move? If the PL decides not to allow non-medical redshirts, I can see a roadblock to continuing to grow the program and Ches moves on unless we leave the PL?
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Post by efg72 on Dec 6, 2022 7:50:13 GMT -5
I think we tell the PL we are doing it regardless. They really have few options if they want to keep the league going.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 6, 2022 8:19:06 GMT -5
The 63 vs 60 policy is just about the silliest thing I have ever heard. Just what is the league accomplishing with this, other than to tie another appendage behind each team's back?
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Post by efg72 on Dec 6, 2022 8:25:42 GMT -5
Look I think we tell the league we are making the just do it changes beginning this year 5th years no AI 63 schollies with a roster of 105 others
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 6, 2022 9:21:27 GMT -5
Here's what I think would happen if any or all of those things were unilaterally done by Holy Cross or any other school:
1. they would not kick us out as they need all the schools in the league for the auto bid and would create havoc on everyone's schedules 2. they would rule that HC could be in the league but would not be named the league champion because of the slanted playing field. Only way to the playoffs would be an at-large bid (some here would be fine with that)
Someone with a better memory than mine might be able to clarify was this a phantom memory of mine or not but didn't the PL make a similar ruling, was it against Fordham, for something Fordham did unilaterally?
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Post by efg72 on Dec 6, 2022 9:36:10 GMT -5
Remind all that this is an opinion bard so statements like mine, may or may not be realistic, but certainly food for thought.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 6, 2022 9:41:21 GMT -5
Someone with a better memory than mine might be able to clarify was this a phantom memory of mine or not but didn't the PL make a similar ruling, was it against Fordham, for something Fordham did unilaterally? When Fordham was the only PL program offering scholarships, they were ineligible to win the league in 2012 and 2013.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 6, 2022 9:48:05 GMT -5
Thanks. I thought it was something like that but didn't recall the details and too lazy to look it up.
So, the PL would cut the baby in half. If they made us ineligible for the league championship, would this then spiral to us telling them we are leaving? I think not. Despite what some here believe, I think Holy Cross administrators and Board members believe the PL is a good fit for us. We might also conclude that even if we were not official league champs, if our record we've been having is maintained, the NCAA might consider us the unofficial champs and give us an at-large bid more times than not.
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Post by fillfittonfield on Dec 6, 2022 11:53:38 GMT -5
This topic has been discussed in the past on this board and the AGS board.
The point I keep coming back to is this. If you look at PL history, you see that any major change came as a result of one school saying “we are doing this.” In 1998, HC said “we are resuming basketball scholarships.” They didn’t ask the league, they said “this is what we are doing.” The rest of the league followed.
In 2010 or so, Fordham said “we are resuming football scholarships.” They were penalized by the league for a few years but eventually the league followed.
Change won’t come from the league. The league is run by the school Presidents, and they have no interest in the improvements Mr efg and others have suggested.
There must be a school with a leadership apparatus (usually a strong AD and BOT) that takes charge and says “we are going to 63 scholarships,” or “we are going to permit redshirting.” Looking at the PL schools, I don’t see that leadership coming from Bucknell, Lafayette, or Colgate. HC and Fordham (and to a lesser extent Lehigh) are the only schools that could potentially lead on these issues.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 6, 2022 13:22:45 GMT -5
One opinion (mine) is that this year's 12-0-0 record is the result of the program Coach Chesney has built. A differing opinion is that the 12-0-0 record was only made possible by the fifth year seniors being available during this one time covid window.
If Chesney had come to HC but covid had never happened do people think HC would have lost to any or all of Buffalo, Fordham or UNH?
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 6, 2022 13:35:34 GMT -5
League opposition to tweaking of rules to make PL FB more competitive might be less than feared. How many schools will insist on entering future football seasons with a "kick me" sign on their backs?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 6, 2022 14:04:36 GMT -5
IIRC, the 63 --> 60 was because of Title IX. HC is in an awkward position to argue for 63 because it is the laggard when it comes to Title IX and scollies for female sports (other than hoops and ice hockey.) HC is also drifting away from near 50:50 parity when it comes to M:F enrollment, and could find itself as Georgetown and Fordham does, where males are about 43 percent of the undergraduate population, and this further complicates the ability to increase scollies for men's sports.
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