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Post by sader1970 on Oct 8, 2022 8:26:31 GMT -5
Not sure, my friend, since PawSox converted to WooSox and now I'm not sure if Roger made the transition.
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Post by alum on Oct 8, 2022 8:33:09 GMT -5
For years and years the Sox fans thought Jeter was nothing special. (He got 99.7 of his first ballot Hall of Fame vote.) Imagine they think the same of Judge and his ‘record’. I think because the Sox were already out of it as Judge approached the record, most Sox fans were able to be diplomatic about it. I’ve expressed my opinions about Jeter before. Not as good in the early years as Nomar. A bit of a compiler. Belongs in the HOF but let’s not think that the 99% vote total means he is in the upper echelon of HOFers.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 8, 2022 8:35:46 GMT -5
"let’s not think that the 99% vote total means he is in the upper echelon of HOFers." Why not?
He was still playing at a major league level years after Nomar was long gone. IMHO that sort of durability is certainly worthy of notice and praise.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 8, 2022 10:16:39 GMT -5
Ol' CLMetsfan might be a little worried this morning. Hopefully deGrom doesn't match Scherzer's execrable performance (4 gopher balls).
Sucks to win over 100 games and flame out in the post season. One NY team I actually hope wins.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 8, 2022 11:52:14 GMT -5
Slippery slope. The benefits of pitchers cheating was not as impactful of batters cheating, so the batters' accomplishments should be stricken, but the pitchers' should not? The batters had (even with 2mph in your hypothetical) at least something tiny to overcome that they wouldn't in a 100% clean sport. That's why the hair splitting is impossible. The league didn't test. There were no rules to prohibit it. They were paid millions. They got results. The only thing I’m talking about is whether a non-steroid HR record should be put in the same category as a steroid HR record. Hitters got a massive HR hitting benefit from steroids in the same way that they would if they used some of today’s non-wood bats. If baseball allowed those bats for a season and someone hit 90 home runs, I think everyone would agree there’s at least an asterisk if not an entirely separate record in the books for the composite bat guy. I think some say that 73 HRs with steroids can be compared to 62 HRs without steroids because the 73 HR guy was facing pitchers who were also juicing. I don’t buy that. It is a separate issue whether pitchers who juiced should be considered for things like HOF. I would treat hitters and pitchers the same for this purpose. If you’re not letting in the hitters who juiced, you can’t let in the pitchers who did either. That’s the way the voters seem to have treated it so far, at least with Clemens. The voters basically have the steroid issue as an excuse to not vote in players that weren't warm and fuzzy to the media. Ortiz (hitter) and Pedro (pitcher) both got in without much difficulty.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 8, 2022 11:52:39 GMT -5
For years and years the Sox fans thought Jeter was nothing special. (He got 99.7 of his first ballot Hall of Fame vote.) Imagine they think the same of Judge and his ‘record’. I think because the Sox were already out of it as Judge approached the record, most Sox fans were able to be diplomatic about it. I’ve expressed my opinions about Jeter before. Not as good in the early years as Nomar. A bit of a compiler. Belongs in the HOF but let’s not think that the 99% vote total means he is in the upper echelon of HOFers. I remember Hank Aaron being described by some as a bit of a compiler. I thought he was a great player (and did play 23 years). Nomar?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 8, 2022 12:04:45 GMT -5
I think because the Sox were already out of it as Judge approached the record, most Sox fans were able to be diplomatic about it. I’ve expressed my opinions about Jeter before. Not as good in the early years as Nomar. A bit of a compiler. Belongs in the HOF but let’s not think that the 99% vote total means he is in the upper echelon of HOFers. I remember Hank Aaron being described by some as a bit of a compiler. I thought he was a great player (and did play 23 years). Nomar? Lol Hank Aaron a compiler? How about one of the best athletes in the history of American sports? And yes Nomar was abaolutely a better overall player than Jeter from 1997-2003. There's something to be said for sustained greatneas though. Jeter did come close to winning an MVP in 2006 but was edged out by Morneau.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 8, 2022 12:09:42 GMT -5
I remember Hank Aaron being described by some as a bit of a compiler. I thought he was a great player (and did play 23 years). Nomar? Lol Hank Aaron a compiler? How about one of the best athletes in the history of American sports? And yes Nomar was abaolutely a better overall player than Jeter from 1997-2003. There's something to be said for sustained greatneas though. Jeter did come close to winning an MVP in 2006 but was edged out by Morneau. Yeah. Pointing to a perennial all star as a bit of a compiler is kinda thin criticism and I certainly don’t buy it. The fact Aaron only won 1 MVP on 23 years of major league play is irrelevant. I’m sure there were many players at many positions who had better years or a better series of years than Derek Jeter (and a whole lot of other first ballot Hall of Famers ). For what it’s worth.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Oct 11, 2022 15:28:29 GMT -5
Wellness check for Craig. Brutal, lackluster finale on Sunday.
I am excited and mildly terrified for tonight.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 11, 2022 16:30:26 GMT -5
Wellness check for Craig. Brutal, lackluster finale on Sunday. I am excited and mildly terrified for tonight. Definitely more on the terrified side but hoping for the best.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Oct 12, 2022 7:57:18 GMT -5
Cole had some iffy moments, and wasn't helped by his defense save for one inning... but as the ACE he was able to strike his way out of trouble. Yanks bats woke up just enough. One down.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 14, 2022 22:24:18 GMT -5
Really don’t like the Yankees offense thus far this postseason. Pitching has been pretty good.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 16, 2022 11:33:22 GMT -5
Really don’t like the Yankees offense thus far this postseason. Pitching has been pretty good. Except when you save your closer for no good reason. I'm a little behind the times when it comes to naming some of the players; for example, I did know who Wandy Peralta was but had no clue who #86, Schmidt, was. And there he is pitching in the up-to-now most important game of the year and Holmes is bypassed. Networks have to be rooting hard for the Yanks now that the Dodgers are toast.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 16, 2022 14:59:41 GMT -5
Really don’t like the Yankees offense thus far this postseason. Pitching has been pretty good. Except when you save your closer for no good reason. I'm a little behind the times when it comes to naming some of the players; for example, I did know who Wandy Peralta was but had no clue who #86, Schmidt, was. And there he is pitching in the up-to-now most important game of the year and Holmes is bypassed. Networks have to be rooting hard for the Yanks now that the Dodgers are toast. Lots of questions to be asked about the Yankees lineup decisions, including the management of the bullpen.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 16, 2022 16:14:09 GMT -5
Well, the Giants and Jets stepped in today to win NY/NJ fans' hearts. It may become fun to watch them again (the teams, not the fans - the fans are always worth a laugh)
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Post by HC92 on Oct 16, 2022 21:23:34 GMT -5
Not the biggest Gerritt Cole guy but he has stepped up in a big way his last two starts. Will be a wild night in the Bronx tomorrow.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 17, 2022 0:43:35 GMT -5
Sure does...it is the second best Hall of Fame among teams in the American League. He means the minor league Pawtucket Red Sox (PawSox) HOF. Clemens is also a member of the Boston Red Sox (BoSox) HOF. Presumably the Worcester Red Sox (WooSox) don't have a HOF yet, but an induction is a good way to sell tickets so expect one soon. Peter Oliver is a good candidate for the Polar Park (PoPark)😂 HOF/Football Division inaugural class.
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Post by Tom on Oct 18, 2022 10:25:25 GMT -5
After waiting around for 2 1/2 hours in the rain, the Yankees fans all get to head back today. The biggest question is how many were so afraid of the late start they took today off from work. Tough to tell the boss that after leaving a little bit early for the game yesterday, you're leaving a lot earlier today because there wasn't actually a game yesterday.
Is your potential ALCS game 1 starter already on a plane for Houston to be ready to pitch tomorrow? Or is he in the Bronx in case he's needed to get a couple of outs in an elimination game?
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Post by HC92 on Oct 18, 2022 15:24:51 GMT -5
After waiting around for 2 1/2 hours in the rain, the Yankees fans all get to head back today. The biggest question is how many were so afraid of the late start they took today off from work. Tough to tell the boss that after leaving a little bit early for the game yesterday, you're leaving a lot earlier today because there wasn't actually a game yesterday. Is your potential ALCS game 1 starter already on a plane for Houston to be ready to pitch tomorrow? Or is he in the Bronx in case he's needed to get a couple of outs in an elimination game? All hands on deck.
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Post by Tom on Oct 19, 2022 8:21:57 GMT -5
Yankees advance.
I had been rooting for the team formerly named for crusader nation's favorite Penobscot
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Post by HC92 on Oct 20, 2022 18:23:42 GMT -5
Yankees advance. I had been rooting for the team formerly named for crusader nation's favorite Penobscot Just as long as you’re not now rooting for the Astros.
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Post by alum on Oct 21, 2022 7:33:38 GMT -5
Yankees advance. I had been rooting for the team formerly named for crusader nation's favorite Penobscot Just as long as you’re not now rooting for the Astros. One of our happy crew used a quote from a NC politician cheering for the Taliban over Duke as a tagline on his posts. In updating it, would replace Duke with the Yankees and the Taliban with Putin's Russians. The problem, however, is that I could make a similar statement about the Astros and the old Iraqui Republican Guard.
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Post by Tom on Oct 21, 2022 9:10:00 GMT -5
Yankees advance. I had been rooting for the team formerly named for crusader nation's favorite Penobscot Just as long as you’re not now rooting for the Astros. The Astros are in their 6th consecutive ALCS. They've won the pennant in 3 of the past 5 seasons and are up 2-0. They have (so far) one World Series victory to show for this. They're beginning to feel like the 90's Braves teams. Always a bridesmaid, (almost) never a bride
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Post by HC92 on Oct 21, 2022 10:05:53 GMT -5
30 strikeouts for the Yankees in 18 ALCS innings. So painful to watch.
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Post by mm67 on Oct 21, 2022 11:37:23 GMT -5
Not a good day for Yankees fans...
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