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Post by nhteamer on Dec 14, 2022 14:03:47 GMT -5
Most of you guys never asked the pretty girl out because she would probably say no
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Dec 14, 2022 14:11:59 GMT -5
Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 14, 2022 14:11:59 GMT -5
BBC- you’ve always been great with the stats analysis. How does Crean’s W-L record compare to the records of the coaches who preceded and followed him at the big time schools where he coached? (all records show overall / conference)Marquette Predecessor: Mike Dean
Overall: 100-55 (.645) / 40-32 (.556) Last 2: 34-26 (.567) / 14-18 (.438) Crean
Overall: 190-96 (.664) / 90-56 (.616) Last 3 in Big East: 69-31 (.690) / 31-19 (.620) Successor: Buzz Williams
Overall: 139-69 (.668) / 69-39 (.639) Marquette Summary: Performed significantly better than his predecessor, particularly in Deane's final two year. Brought Marquette to Final Four for first time in 25 years. Ushered Marquette from C-USA to Big East. Indiana Predecessor: Kelvin Sampson
Massive NCAA issues + sanctions Crean:
Overall: 166-136 (.550) / 71-91 (.438) First 3 (w/ sanctions): 28-66 (.298) / 8-46 (.148) Last 6: 138-69 (.667) / 63-45 (.583) Successor: Archie Miller
Overall: 67-58 (.536) / 33-44 (.429) Indiana Summary: Took a program in turmoil under significant NCAA sanctions and had them in the Sweet 16 in Years 4 & 5, and followed up with another Sweet 16 run in Year 8. Performed significantly better than his successor, Archie Miller GeorgiaPredecessor: Mark Fox
Overall: 163-133 (.551) / 77-79 (.494) Crean Overall: 47-75 (.385) / 15-57 (.208) Georgia Summary: Very poor results in a very difficult SEC job relative to peers in the conference. The Georgia years are clearly the outlier in his career -- a very similar situation to RW's Pittsburgh tenure.
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Dec 14, 2022 14:40:29 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Dec 14, 2022 14:40:29 GMT -5
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Dec 14, 2022 15:04:53 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 14, 2022 15:04:53 GMT -5
BBC- you’ve always been great with the stats analysis. How does Crean’s W-L record compare to the records of the coaches who preceded and followed him at the big time schools where he coached? (all records show overall / conference)Marquette Predecessor: Mike Dean
Overall: 100-55 (.645) / 40-32 (.556) Last 2: 34-26 (.567) / 14-18 (.438) Crean
Overall: 190-96 (.664) / 90-56 (.616) Last 3 in Big East: 69-31 (.690) / 31-19 (.620) Successor: Buzz Williams
Overall: 139-69 (.668) / 69-39 (.639) Marquette Summary: Performed significantly better than his predecessor, particularly in Deane's final two year. Brought Marquette to Final Four for first time in 25 years. Ushered Marquette from C-USA to Big East. Indiana Predecessor: Kelvin Sampson
Massive NCAA issues + sanctions Crean:
Overall: 166-136 (.550) / 71-91 (.438) First 3 (w/ sanctions): 28-66 (.298) / 8-46 (.148) Last 6: 138-69 (.667) / 63-45 (.583) Successor: Archie Miller
Overall: 67-58 (.536) / 33-44 (.429) Indiana Summary: Took a program in turmoil under significant NCAA sanctions and had them in the Sweet 16 in Years 4 & 5, and followed up with another Sweet 16 run in Year 8. Performed significantly better than his successor, Archie Miller GeorgiaPredecessor: Mark Fox
Overall: 163-133 (.551) / 77-79 (.494) Crean Overall: 47-75 (.385) / 15-57 (.208) Georgia Summary: Very poor results in a very difficult SEC job relative to peers in the conference. The Georgia years are clearly the outlier in his career -- a very similar situation to RW's Pittsburgh tenure. Oops… remember when we performed this analysis with Bill Carmody at Northwestern I believe you suggested that he padded his record with an easy OOC schedule. I think you need to look at only the conference record and include more coaches so we get a better feel for the various programs. Having said that I will say that the Georgia record is startling. Living in Louisville we get extensive coverage on IU in local media and I can tell you that Hoosier supporters were not very happy with him.
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Dec 14, 2022 15:52:07 GMT -5
Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 14, 2022 15:52:07 GMT -5
Are there any successful non D-1 coaches out in MAC land that Kit might be familiar with?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 14, 2022 16:59:25 GMT -5
You have a better shot of hitting the lottery and getting zapped by lightning on the same day than you of ever seeing Crean coach at HC.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 14, 2022 17:08:40 GMT -5
Top 50 program? Where do you suppose that Holy Cross get the $3M+ annual salary that would be required for such a program?
What is a reasonable ceiling these days? Top 100, Top 150? Take the power 5 schools, AAC, Big East and WCC schools; shake out the BCs of that group; and you already have 50. The brass ring should be finishing first in either the PL regular season or PLT and secure an auto bid to either the NIT or NCAA. If/when that goal is reached then the bar can be raised as far as team goals.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 14, 2022 17:39:44 GMT -5
You have a better shot of hitting the lottery and getting zapped by lightning on the same day than you of ever seeing Crean coach at HC. Thought you might retire this very clever line after you made this proclamation about the PawSox coming to Worcester….
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Post by efg72 on Dec 14, 2022 17:48:12 GMT -5
Most of you guys never asked the pretty girl out because she would probably say no I did and they did. 😱😱 But my wife said yes and that is the only one I wanted
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Dec 14, 2022 17:48:23 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 14, 2022 17:48:23 GMT -5
(all records show overall / conference)Marquette Predecessor: Mike Dean
Overall: 100-55 (.645) / 40-32 (.556) Last 2: 34-26 (.567) / 14-18 (.438) Crean
Overall: 190-96 (.664) / 90-56 (.616) Last 3 in Big East: 69-31 (.690) / 31-19 (.620) Successor: Buzz Williams
Overall: 139-69 (.668) / 69-39 (.639) Marquette Summary: Performed significantly better than his predecessor, particularly in Deane's final two year. Brought Marquette to Final Four for first time in 25 years. Ushered Marquette from C-USA to Big East. Indiana Predecessor: Kelvin Sampson
Massive NCAA issues + sanctions Crean:
Overall: 166-136 (.550) / 71-91 (.438) First 3 (w/ sanctions): 28-66 (.298) / 8-46 (.148) Last 6: 138-69 (.667) / 63-45 (.583) Successor: Archie Miller
Overall: 67-58 (.536) / 33-44 (.429) Indiana Summary: Took a program in turmoil under significant NCAA sanctions and had them in the Sweet 16 in Years 4 & 5, and followed up with another Sweet 16 run in Year 8. Performed significantly better than his successor, Archie Miller GeorgiaPredecessor: Mark Fox
Overall: 163-133 (.551) / 77-79 (.494) Crean Overall: 47-75 (.385) / 15-57 (.208) Georgia Summary: Very poor results in a very difficult SEC job relative to peers in the conference. The Georgia years are clearly the outlier in his career -- a very similar situation to RW's Pittsburgh tenure. Oops… remember when we performed this analysis with Bill Carmody at Northwestern I believe you suggested that he padded his record with an easy OOC schedule. I think you need to look at only the conference record and include more coaches so we get a better feel for the various programs. Having said that I will say that the Georgia record is startling. Living in Louisville we get extensive coverage on IU in local media and I can tell you that Hoosier supporters were not very happy with him. Nope, I said that Carmody stunk just like his predecessors, just to a slightly lesser degree. If you need more data, you just must not know anything about Tom Crean and might be wise to do a little research. It’s too bad Crean coached at Marquette & Indiana and not at Bowdoin, or you would love him!
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Dec 14, 2022 17:53:30 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Dec 14, 2022 17:53:30 GMT -5
Even if our second most illustrious basketball alumnus was still around to advocate for him you'd say that? I .....love..... Waltah!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 14, 2022 19:11:08 GMT -5
Oops… remember when we performed this analysis with Bill Carmody at Northwestern I believe you suggested that he padded his record with an easy OOC schedule. I think you need to look at only the conference record and include more coaches so we get a better feel for the various programs. Having said that I will say that the Georgia record is startling. Living in Louisville we get extensive coverage on IU in local media and I can tell you that Hoosier supporters were not very happy with him. Nope, I said that Carmody stunk just like his predecessors, just to a slightly lesser degree. If you need more data, you just must not know anything about Tom Crean and might be wise to do a little research. It’s too bad Crean coached at Marquette & Indiana and not at Bowdoin, or you would love him! As always your silly diversions are entertaining as you use them to distract attention from your weak arguments
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Post by efg72 on Dec 14, 2022 19:36:14 GMT -5
If we decide to move on we will get a diverse group expressing interest. Some we will be surprised about, some content with as a solution for the future, and others a bit risky but long time proven winners
Some from each group just might have expressed an interest if there is an opening
Under all options we will be far better off, but in a couple of cases pray nothing blows up
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 14, 2022 21:16:26 GMT -5
I will be interested to see who is the HC coach next year...but not until the position opens (if it does). Until then I will just watch the team and hope they develop.
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 15, 2022 10:45:26 GMT -5
I will be interested to see who is the HC coach next year...but not until the position opens (if it does). Until then I will just watch the team and hope they develop. Very fair.
A few novenas might help too.
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Dec 15, 2022 17:44:57 GMT -5
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Post by billyjack9 on Dec 15, 2022 17:44:57 GMT -5
Does The Cross have a 30-something-year-old former basketball alum that would be interested is your head coaching job?
Someone that already is familiar with the school, city, fan base, Patriot League, and pros and cons of the Crusaders head coaching job?
Someone like a Kevin Hamilton Jr, who is currently coaching a HS team in NY City, or someone similar?
Providence, for example, has assistant coaches who played under Ed Cooley... LaDontae Henton and soon Kyron Cartwright, who were both leaders on the floor. Shammgod was on the PC bench til taking a job in the NBA with the Mavericks.
Also, of course, this is none of my business as a Friar fan, but if Crean is interested, i say sign him up. Georgia is a tough place to win in basketball... they had maybe 3 tourneys as 10-seeds in the 15 years before Crean arrived there.
Also, please avoid the Coach K/ Wojo coaching tree.
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Dec 15, 2022 17:50:44 GMT -5
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Post by billyjack9 on Dec 15, 2022 17:50:44 GMT -5
Also, again, none of my business... but i will butt in again...
I watched the Cross's games at both Fordham and Northeastern. Besides Gates and maybe kind of a couple of other guys-- the team needs to lift weights hard. Get some muscle, fight through contact, grab 50/50 balls through weightlifting.
There's no reason in 2022 to not get jacked on a D1-level basketball team. It wojld be worth 10+ points a game easily.
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Dec 15, 2022 17:52:02 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 15, 2022 17:52:02 GMT -5
We are a poorly coached and managed program, billy. Everything we do is a tick or two below our peers.
As indianhoop says: “it is what it is”
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Dec 15, 2022 18:00:51 GMT -5
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Post by billyjack9 on Dec 15, 2022 18:00:51 GMT -5
We are a poorly coached and managed program, billy. Everything we do is a tick or two below our peers. As indianhoop says: “it is what it is” Ok, thanks. I've been watching the Crusaders to look for improvement since the Big East realigned 10 years ago. I'd like to see you get to the point where joining us is possible. Thats why if Crean is interested and will take a pay cut, then grab him. What possible Cross alums would be good targets for the head coach slot? Great school, so there must be some candidates.
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Dec 15, 2022 18:02:04 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Dec 15, 2022 18:02:04 GMT -5
Completely agree about the inattention to lifting. Our hoops guys don’t get bigger and stronger. I am confident we have the best facilities in the league to accomplish that.
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Post by billyjack9 on Dec 15, 2022 18:04:33 GMT -5
The Carmody hire made 100% good sense... the Princeton background, the Northwestern years... i get it.
The Nelson choice was a good one on paper, except Wojo was a horrible coach at Marquette. i think it's the Coach K thing... at Duke, get A+++ recruits, roll the ball on the floor, work the refs. No coaching necessary.
I find it interesting to try to solve this Holy Cross hoops problem. A solution is definitely out there. i'll scan this thread more for other suggestions you guys are tossing around.
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Dec 15, 2022 19:12:20 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Dec 15, 2022 19:12:20 GMT -5
Completely agree about the inattention to lifting. Our hoops guys don’t get bigger and stronger. I am confident we have the best facilities in the league to accomplish that. Doesn't seem possible in this day and age to not be in constant training. And Nelson didn't play so long ago that he didn't do that himself.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 15, 2022 19:22:52 GMT -5
The Carmody hire made 100% good sense... the Princeton background, the Northwestern years... i get it. The Nelson choice was a good one on paper, except Wojo was a horrible coach at Marquette. i think it's the Coach K thing... at Duke, get A+++ recruits, roll the ball on the floor, work the refs. No coaching necessary. I find it interesting to try to solve this Holy Cross hoops problem. A solution is definitely out there. i'll scan this thread more for other suggestions you guys are tossing around. What are you doing for the next 5 years, Billy Jack?
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Dec 15, 2022 19:23:05 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2022 19:23:05 GMT -5
Paul Woelmer is in his third season as strength and conditioning coach assigned to MBB. He is a former national weight lifting champion with an impressive list of strength and conditioning stops before HC.
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Dec 15, 2022 19:34:25 GMT -5
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Post by billyjack9 on Dec 15, 2022 19:34:25 GMT -5
The Carmody hire made 100% good sense... the Princeton background, the Northwestern years... i get it. The Nelson choice was a good one on paper, except Wojo was a horrible coach at Marquette. i think it's the Coach K thing... at Duke, get A+++ recruits, roll the ball on the floor, work the refs. No coaching necessary. I find it interesting to try to solve this Holy Cross hoops problem. A solution is definitely out there. i'll scan this thread more for other suggestions you guys are tossing around. What are you doing for the next 5 years, Billy Jack? Lol, awesome!
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