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Dec 23, 2022 7:56:14 GMT -5
Post by trimster on Dec 23, 2022 7:56:14 GMT -5
Heard Rick Pitino is interested in coaching at Holy Cross. He would shake things up! I can’t picture Rick Pitino making the 6 hour bus ride to the PA hinterlands.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 23, 2022 8:39:57 GMT -5
I can't picture Vince Rougeau even considering hiring him even if Kit suggested it . . . . which I don't think he ever would. Holy Cross still stands for something and winning at all costs is not, and should not, be one of them.
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Dec 23, 2022 8:46:59 GMT -5
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Post by joe on Dec 23, 2022 8:46:59 GMT -5
Paying a basketball coach 500K at Holy Cross at this level is patently absurd...high school teams in Massachusetts regularly draw bettah crowds....and many are bettah coached.....most make about 7-10K. As far as spectating basketball among MA residents, right now we’re choosing to attend Catholic League HS games over HC games. Nice game at Catholic Memorial last night as they handled Brookline, who is now coached by Johnny Williams formerly of Tech. Interesting, compelling backstories and history, great basketball. Great traditions.
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Dec 23, 2022 10:13:34 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Dec 23, 2022 10:13:34 GMT -5
Just got my Christmas message from Coach Nelson. Looked like one of those hostage videos where he’s forced to read what someone else wrote for him to say. It was quite short, the meat of which was the following:
“This year’s been unforgettable, really proud of our team and the direction this program’s heading . . .”
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Dec 23, 2022 10:15:57 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 23, 2022 10:15:57 GMT -5
Interesting word choice with “unforgettable.”
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 23, 2022 10:20:20 GMT -5
Beat me to it. "unforgettable season." For sure. It is actually very sad to watch. Just another example of the difference between he and Bob Chesney (who almost always leads his thanks with the alums) and can speak extemporaneously to any audience including my 7 year old grandson, my 40+ old sons, and me, older than his father. And he doesn't act like he's in pain doing it.
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Dec 23, 2022 11:32:06 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Dec 23, 2022 11:32:06 GMT -5
Having some time to think about it, maybe letting Brett run this season's string out might not be the worst thing.
Mixing my sports but in 2017, many here thought the firing of Tom Gilmore was the right thing to do mid-season when the team had a 2-5 record and the Yale debacle. I said at the time, the team quit on TG as they mentally never got off the bus at the Yale Bowl.
Many here thought that a change in coaching would turn things around. It didn't. We went 2-2 under Brian Rock. Admittedly 2-2 might be considered better than 2-5 but the Rock wins were over Georgetown and Fordham (pre-DeMorat days) and losses to Lehigh and Colgate.
Not here to re-hash 2017 football or defend Tom Gilmore but for those who would like Brett canned and RJ take over as interim, I'm not 100% sure the in-game coaching is the only issue that an RJ lead would be able to fix even in the short run. These guys just can't shoot even wide open shots. That, of course, is on Brett for his recruiting, or lack thereof. The talent, overall, is just lacking, even for the low PL standards.
I admit, I was angry in his first couple of seasons because I am still convinced he ran off a number of Carmody players. But, with time, the emotion has changed from anger to disappointment to, right now, sadness. He was thrown into the deep end of the pool without a lifejacket.
A look at his video you can tell he was forced to do it like he's now been forced to do very short post-game interviews on ESPN+. If he has not learned after 3 seasons how to speak to the fans, he will never learn. This is beyond his capabilities. But, if you are losing as he is, you better be able to speak to the fans and, in Holy Cross' case, the alums. Milan Brown could and did that. I'd take Milan Brown back in a heartbeat . . . . . but not until Brett finishes this season.
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Dec 23, 2022 14:10:18 GMT -5
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Post by cfrivals on Dec 23, 2022 14:10:18 GMT -5
This ship is beyond sunk. Anyone who wants to move up from D3 or someone who is not worth hiring would send a resume.
Don’t think a young high riser would want this job, it needs name recognition, a ton of experience on how to build a program back from rock bottom
If you want to turn this thing right side up? It’s going to take $$ and a big name who has done it somewhere else and has some kind of bond with the school and wants to help return them to glory. RW did it, and a guy like RP could do it if he was still interested. He is friends with many alumni in New England.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 23, 2022 14:28:24 GMT -5
Wasn’t Carmody a big name?
We need a coach who can develop talent, instill a strong culture (not attack and serve which mercifully fizzled out), and is a strong X’s and O’s guy.
Shelling out big bucks for a Tom Crean might work, but it’s far from a sure thing to get this program back on track.
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Dec 23, 2022 14:47:38 GMT -5
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Post by cfrivals on Dec 23, 2022 14:47:38 GMT -5
Carmody had a couple good years at Princeton using Carril’s players, but he basically did nothing at Northwestern. Wasn’t a rebuilder and hated recruiting.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 23, 2022 14:54:26 GMT -5
we should make sure Andy Sachs gets an interview-- he has won everywhere, has head coach experience, and knows Holy Cross and what type of person will succeed in the school. Not suggesting the current roster doesn't have great people, but that Andy covers what we need from a new coach. He may or may not be the next coach, but he should certainly be in the mix.
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Dec 23, 2022 15:01:41 GMT -5
Post by trimster on Dec 23, 2022 15:01:41 GMT -5
Just got my Christmas message from Coach Nelson. Looked like one of those hostage videos where he’s forced to read what someone else wrote for him to say. It was quite short, the meat of which was the following: “This year’s been unforgettable, really proud of our team and the direction this program’s heading . . .” Brett Nelson was obviously reading the message. He shouldn't have to do that to wish people a Merry Christmas in a 30 second video and if someone forced him to read it, I would hope he read it over first and then he should have said, "I can't say that." What HC92 wrote would have been much more appropriate. I really don't blame BN for this dumpster fire, well at least not totally. Most of the blame falls on FADMB.
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Dec 23, 2022 15:19:44 GMT -5
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Post by billyjack9 on Dec 23, 2022 15:19:44 GMT -5
Can anyone provide info on Dave Paulsen? Did great at Bucknell, but couldn't get into gear at George Mason, which was a tough gig.
Was he a normal dude on the sidelines? A raving lunatic? Good demeanor? Was Bucknell under Paulsen a smart team? Dominant? Was it that Princeton cr-p? He's now an assistant at Fordham.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 23, 2022 15:24:26 GMT -5
He was closer to raving lunatic at times than a normal dude But he was a successful coach
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Dec 23, 2022 15:25:12 GMT -5
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Post by billyjack9 on Dec 23, 2022 15:25:12 GMT -5
Also, is Craig Robinson interested in returning to coaching? Had a good 2 years at Brown. Then had a tough gig at Oregon State, where he struggled.
I think he's a Princeton offense type guy, which i would recommend not revisiting.
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Dec 23, 2022 15:26:21 GMT -5
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Post by billyjack9 on Dec 23, 2022 15:26:21 GMT -5
He was closer to raving lunatic at times than a normal dude But he was a successful coach Do you think he should he be under consideration? Since he's won big in the Patriot?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 23, 2022 15:27:34 GMT -5
Barack Obama's brother-in-law's biggest coaching accomplishment is the CBI Semis. Big hard pass.
Paulsen is without question worth speaking to. May not be the right answer, but he should be in the mix.
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Dec 23, 2022 15:31:20 GMT -5
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Post by billyjack9 on Dec 23, 2022 15:31:20 GMT -5
I think available under-the-radar coaches are those who struggled at almost impossible jobs, that is, teams in good conferences with facilities that don't match the upper tier conference rivals... again, compared to Dayton and Saint Louis, say George Mason in the A-10, La Salle too (just let go of Jay Wright's assistant Ashley Howard)...
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Dec 23, 2022 15:37:18 GMT -5
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Post by billyjack9 on Dec 23, 2022 15:37:18 GMT -5
Not to keep posting a million times, but Lavall Jordan, formerly of Butler... he's won NCAA games, and his Butler teams competed hard and he's actually a good coach, but it's such a tough spot to go against Villanova, Creighton, etc, game to game.
Jordan had a tougher job than Travis Steele, formerly of Xavier, who couldnt get an NCAA bid with great talent.
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Dec 23, 2022 15:47:18 GMT -5
Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 23, 2022 15:47:18 GMT -5
I think the job is a lot tougher now, even putting the losing culture aside.
Is it pure coincidence the down cycle of the overall PL has occurred as the transfer portal has risen to new heights? Makes me wonder. And the NIL is just getting started.
I don't think any hire will be a guaranteed success, sadly.
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Dec 23, 2022 15:48:39 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 23, 2022 15:48:39 GMT -5
Lavall Jordan is another pass.
He’d be a fish out of water at HC, much like Brett Nelson.
Look at his career profile — never spent time at 1) small liberal arts college, 2) geographically, his entire career has been in the Midwest, 3) never had to battle with admissions for kids
Why would we want to hire a coach whose only good year at his last job was with the previous coaches’ (Chris Holtmann) players?
We don’t need a big name who is a retread from a bigger conference. That’s not our path forward, IMO. In the cases of Jordan or Robinson — if you couldn’t win at Butler or Oregon State, respectively, why should I think you’ll win at HC?
By the way, Wayne Tinkle (despite having some really bad years mixed in with. NCAA Tournament trips) and Chris Holtmann have shown it’s not impossible to win at these schools.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 23, 2022 15:51:11 GMT -5
Paulsen was a terrific recruiter: Mike Muscala, Bryson Johnson, Cam Ayers, Steve Kaspar, Chris Hass, Nana Foulland, Zach Thomas, Stephen Brown - multiple PoY and 1st team All-PL guys. Believe Bison 137 (and others) became disenchanted with his in-game management skills. Statistically, at least, Paulsen's teams were very good defensively and on the defensive boards in their peak years. Opponent EFG%, D1 Rank 2010-11, 23rd 2011-12, 50th 2012-13, 4th 2013-14, 105th
Defensive Rebound %, D1 Rank
2010-11, 38th 2011-12, 1st 2012-13, 1st 2013-14. 5th
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Dec 23, 2022 15:53:45 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 23, 2022 15:53:45 GMT -5
billyjack, maybe Kit should take a run at Ed Cooley. What do you think? He’s had some success at PC.
Met him a couple of times and he seems to be a nice guy and think he’d like it at Holy Cross.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 23, 2022 15:54:00 GMT -5
Can anyone provide info on Dave Paulsen? Did great at Bucknell, but couldn't get into gear at George Mason, which was a tough gig. Was he a normal dude on the sidelines? A raving lunatic? Good demeanor? Was Bucknell under Paulsen a smart team? Dominant? Was it that Princeton cr-p? He's now an assistant at Fordham. He is a friend, but would say his strength is as a teacher of the game and recruiting the players for his style of play. I sent players to his camps for years. At Williams and Bucknell the players were like sponges to learn and develop. At GMU the kids thought they were ready for the NBA he would be a fine addition to Holy Cross, although might not be perceived by some as being the answer
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 23, 2022 15:55:44 GMT -5
AIR, 137 was outraged with Paulsen strictly being a man-to-man guy and way too conservative on defense (not forcing turnovers and double-teaming). Bucknell ranked near the bottom of D1 in steals and turnovers forced under Paulsen.
I’m sure he’d love to have him back now, though, given how Nate Davis has torpedoed that program.
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