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Post by gks on Dec 10, 2022 22:19:26 GMT -5
I believe after a few hours of reflection K12 is being honest. Matt had a great day running around on either broken plays or designed runs. I can live with the exceptional athleticism on the broken plays, problem is the designed runs. If our offense is built around a QB running around and not involving the rest of the playmakers this is the best we will be on a national scale. I know Harry talks about 200 yards rushing, if Matt had 250 yds passing and 100 rushing today we win. I’m not sure if that’s an option right now, either we build an offense around a “team”, or we will never get to the finish line. My biggest concern now is who comes back??? If we are being honest as a receiver, running back or TE what do you have to gain in this system. At some point and time Matt will be gone and we need a system that involves everybody instead of one individual. I know this is going to piss off some people on this board, but sometimes the hard decisions are the right decisions. The boys had an unbelievable season let’s not take that from them. But, as a program and a team 1 guy can’t do it all. Congrats to all the Coaches, staff and boys they had one hell of a year. I think the team was actually pretty balanced this year just not in this game. We beat the UNH game as much on the legs of Peter Oliver as much as by Sluka. I think Coker had 10 TD receptions this year. We were facing the top defensive line in FCS today and Sluka running was our best chance to win. HC was facing the top TEAM in FCS today. Very impressed with SDSU.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 10, 2022 22:27:44 GMT -5
You’re just going to complete ignore the fact that we called 2 TOs to keep the game going? What if we throw two long passes and score? Then we have an onside kick to get the ball back to tie the game. Crazier things have happened. If we weren’t calling TOs and they were still throwing into the end zone it would be a total different story. But that’s not what happened. Please no excuses here Your reasoning above is absurd and foolish and ignoring the facts The knee down would have run out the clock SDSU Stiegelmeier NO CLASS 4th down kneel down, HC gets the ball w/around 40 seconds left. Clock stops, just like it would have if the pass was incomplete. Those are the facts. The rest is opinion, yours and mine.
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Post by newadvisor on Dec 10, 2022 22:36:04 GMT -5
Like I said this would be a hot topic!!!! Hc Hoops those #'s are based on mostly poor competition and a couple unbelievable catches by Coker. Matt is a good 1 read QB and an outstanding runner, in big games you have to be a great QB. Please look at the reality of the season great wins with a lot of luck. I don't do well with luck it always seems to bite you. All I'm saying is if we want to be a great TEAM like SDSU we need a QB that is as proficient in the pass game consistently as in the run game. If you watch todays game again, watch the mike LB he was spying Matt the whole game, leaving the intermediate middle of field WIDE open. We did not complete anything over the middle, is that a sceme issue or QB issue I'm not sure but in the end with all wins or losses the QB is at the forefront off those discussions.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 10, 2022 22:36:43 GMT -5
Change of possession stops the clock. Kneeling would have given the ball back with 40 or so seconds left. If Chesney wanted the clock to run out, he wouldn't have called consecutive timeouts. Sorry you are wrong there was only 42 seconds left Knee down and game over Get the facts straight 1st and 10 at CHC23 South Dakota St. drive start at 01:44. 1st and 10 at CHC23 Shotgun Gronowski,Mark pass complete short middle to Wolf,Landon for 0 yards to the HOLY23 (Anderson,Liam). 2nd and 10 at CHC23 Timeout Holy Cross, clock 01:38. 2nd and 10 at CHC23 Shotgun Johnson,Amar rush left for 1 yard gain to the HOLY22 (Smith,John). 3rd and 9 at CHC22 Timeout Holy Cross, clock 01:32. 3rd and 9 at CHC22 Shotgun Johnson,Amar rush left for 1 yard gain to the HOLY21 (Reichwein,Jake; Smith,John). 4th and 8 at CHC21 Timeout South Dakota St., clock 00:45. 4th and 8 at CHC21 Shotgun Gronowski,Mark pass complete deep middle to Janke,Jadon for 21 yards to the HOLY00 TOUCHDOWN, clock 00:39, A kneel down after a delay of game would have occurred w/42 seconds left. The kneel down would probably leave as much on the clock as the TD did. QED
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Post by timholycross on Dec 10, 2022 22:51:14 GMT -5
As I posted earlier, there is no way Ng isn’t hurt. He had a great career. Wish him well in whatever is next for him. It wasn't the greatest year for our snappah and our holdah. Had to affect Ng on some of his misses. Today, the holder made a great grab of a bad snap on the second PAT. But, yeah, judging from the kickoffs, the guy is probably damaged goods.
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 11, 2022 0:34:13 GMT -5
Good luck to Derek. He did really well for us during his time at HC. I loved Ches coaching him up on the sideline during the Fordham game. I also heard plant foot injury.
I think Matt had a terrific season. He has improved as a passer every year, going from a raw talent, to a good short yardage 1 read guy, to a point now where he can complete throws down the field and mix in different looks. The RPO is great. I wish we had more designated RB runs in the 3rd to open up both the Sluka designated runs and the passing game. When he is that hot though you do have to ride him. He missed a couple of throws in the pocket. Deep underthrow to Shorter, overthrow to Coker, behind the receiver on the pick 6. Still two years of eligibility left. Look for more development, especially throws on the run and when pockets break down. If he can evolve into a Mahomes, he will be lethal at every level of football. Love Sluka.
Would like to see some more outside runs next year. Ollie and Jordan seemed to run insidr a fair amount. Maybe Sammy Slade will get a shot outside. That can help open things up also. Did we run any reverses or jetsweeps today? I feel like that is a hallmark but we didn't try many if any today. I think those helped open up the middle for Ollie in past games. I would have run a few today see how fast their edge guys are.
We competed with less than our best at the #1 team. With our best we probably beat anyone except Montana State right now (although Scott Jr. And UIW might give us fits). We belong. Let's plug a couple holes from departures with top recruits and a couple of transfers who can be impact players right away. This roster next year should compete for a quarterfinal or semifinal appearance. Get a transfer or two with our core back and Dobbs healthy and we are all having a party in Frisco. Congrats to all!
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 11, 2022 1:33:41 GMT -5
If your biggest issue as a FB fan is another team scoring a TD up 2 scores on a 4th and short find another sport to root for. From my guess at least 1/3 of HC fans have no problems with it. And the clock wouldn’t have run out. The clock stops on the change of possession. Understand the rules. Exactly, I know some might be a little upset that the last TD made the score look bad in relation to how close the game was. And some may have had Holy Cross ATS and lost $ on that play. But there were two options for Coach Stig, neither of which were to "take a knee" due to clock stopping on change of possession: a) attempt a relatively easy FG to go up 38-21, making it a three-score game, but risk a block and return by what many would consider a great special teams unit. b) run the play that gives you the best chance of a first down. Stig chose B, and the play resulted in six points. In the end, it was the closest 42-21 game most of us have ever seen. Congrats Jackrabbits on a great win. And FWIW if Janke gets tackled at the 1 on the scoring play, I'm 100% sure SDSU takes a knee rather than going for the score. I get it It is up to the defense to stop. However, the play is to kick the FG, go up multiple scores. If I was still playing, I would try to injure every mother#$@&^*!er on the field if they did that so they never played again. #$@&^*! them. Their coach is a piece of #@*&$~! who looks down on us. Have another few drinks and go for a drive.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 11, 2022 6:08:50 GMT -5
Looking forward to 2023 already.
Looking back again at the game, I admit that while watching I was having thoughts about HC needing to get others involved offensively to be able to win. But to flat out knock Sluka is totally absurd as far as I'm concerned. The team has fed off of him all season long.
I feel similarly about Ng. It was disappointing that they didn't have their normal advantage with special teams (which I felt they needed to knock off those guys); I also acknowledge kickers can sometimes get mental blocks and go on bad streaks. But - you don't all of a sudden become unable to kick a ball deep. Has to be injury related.
In an effort to try to provide some personal balance to my immediate reactions after the game: on that 4th quarter run by Davis with the brutal stiff arm at the end, I noticed some SDSU players mocking the HC players with their arm/hand waves (or whatever it is). I had no problem with that at all; as an old man I did not like all the constant chirping and gestures (along with needless penalties) that we saw during the season. I know others do it; I just don't like it, and wish that they would get away from that going forward.
SDSU is very, very good team. Congratulations to their players and fans.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 11, 2022 6:25:41 GMT -5
Oh, just to “cleanse the palate” on this thread, how about Chris Smith’s play calling especially the alley oop pass to our TE for a surprise TD? Especially in the first half, SDSU didn’t know which way was up. Chris should get some kind of award.
Also, reporting out that I did go to PVD to welcome the team back. Unfortunately, like the game, I cannot report success. Was at the original (read: old, small almost never used) terminal where the team left from and got there at 9:00 pm as Silver Fox bus driver Steve told me they’d be back the day before. Terminal dark, locked up and was ready to head home when the 3 buses showed up. Chatted it up with Steve. He wasn’t sure when plane would arrive. Around 10:00 pm still no plane but airport police officer shows up to tell Steve that the buses will be going through the gate onto to the tarmac to the plane to pick up the team and the 3 drivers have to show their drivers’ licenses for a security check.
While officer doing that I see an airport operations guy with his large yellow pickup truck with flashing yellow lights at the gate and ask him if he knows what time the plane is coming in. He does. Says it took off from SD late and would be arriving sometime AFTER 11:00 pm.
I weigh the factors of being late; being cold; being very dark; having to wait 2 hours from when I arrived; not being able to go with the buses onto the tarmac; and, at best, waving to the team as the bus left; I decided to take a metaphorical knee (see how I tied this to the game?😂). I told my new friend Steve to say hello to the guys for me and headed home.
End of rant.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 11, 2022 6:42:21 GMT -5
Like I said this would be a hot topic!!!! Hc Hoops those #'s are based on mostly poor competition and a couple unbelievable catches by Coker. Matt is a good 1 read QB and an outstanding runner, in big games you have to be a great QB. Please look at the reality of the season great wins with a lot of luck. I don't do well with luck it always seems to bite you. All I'm saying is if we want to be a great TEAM like SDSU we need a QB that is as proficient in the pass game consistently as in the run game. If you watch todays game again, watch the mike LB he was spying Matt the whole game, leaving the intermediate middle of field WIDE open. We did not complete anything over the middle, is that a sceme issue or QB issue I'm not sure but in the end with all wins or losses the QB is at the forefront off those discussions. During preseason discussions here on Crossports it was clear our talent, depth and experience meant we’d be favored in every game on our regular season FCS schedule. But QB reads/throws and lack of a burner in the backfield would be impactful at some point in the playoffs. And the injury to Dobbs (really don’t want to see him in the portal) really hurt at this level of competition.
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Post by football44 on Dec 11, 2022 7:18:20 GMT -5
Football 44 reporting in after my return from the artic known as South Dakota. Friday had a chance to say hello to President Roseau who unlike other HC presidents flew on the team plane with his lovely wife. I greeted the team as they came into the hotel with Kevin Shea. Had a chance to sit down with Matt Sluka and talk a little ball. What a great unassuming kid. Saturday morning met a huge group of parents and alumni at a bar “cubby’s” in downtown Brookings. After we all journeyed to the stadium. Huge Holy Cross fandom at the game. Watched the game with my good friend Larry Doyle and also Ed Kutske and his son (sorry for misspelling). South Dakota fans were in shock all game. They thought it was going to be a walk in the park. In my opinion 2 turning points, Interception and score before halftime and missed field goal turned the momentum back to SDS. Be proud of the boys they handled the #1 team 400 plus yards on offense. Back home in my WARM house. That’s all folks.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 11, 2022 7:20:40 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 11, 2022 7:23:01 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 11, 2022 7:46:25 GMT -5
As I posted earlier, there is no way Ng isn’t hurt. He had a great career. Wish him well in whatever is next for him. It wasn't the greatest year for our snappah and our holdah. Had to affect Ng on some of his misses. Today, the holder made a great grab of a bad snap on the second PAT. But, yeah, judging from the kickoffs, the guy is probably damaged goods. It was a sad way to end what has overall been a fantastic HC career. Thank you to Ng for all he gave (and not only points) to this program.
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Post by hcnation on Dec 11, 2022 8:40:30 GMT -5
Non Alum Dave quote quote In an effort to try to provide some personal balance to my immediate reactions after the game: on that 4th quarter run by Davis with the brutal stiff arm at the end, I noticed some SDSU players mocking the HC players with their arm/hand waves (or whatever it is). I had no problem with that at all; as an old man I did not like all the constant chirping and gestures (along with needless penalties) that we saw during the season. I know others do it; I just don't like it, and wish that they would get away from that going forward.
SDSU is very, very good team. Congratulations to their players and fans.[/quote]
SDSU players postgame addressed at end their bird like mocking gestures
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 11, 2022 8:48:57 GMT -5
In an effort to try to provide some personal balance to my immediate reactions after the game: on that 4th quarter run by Davis with the brutal stiff arm at the end, I noticed some SDSU players mocking the HC players with their arm/hand waves (or whatever it is). I had no problem with that at all; as an old man I did not like all the constant chirping and gestures (along with needless penalties) that we saw during the season. I know others do it; I just don't like it, and wish that they would get away from that going forward. The waving of the hands like a bird's feathers by the entire secondary throughout the season was terrible.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 11, 2022 9:12:58 GMT -5
Tweet from President Rougeau
Not the result we wanted, but I’m so proud of this group of student athletes. Holy Cross and Worcester were behind you the whole way, and you made history.
Go Cross Go
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 11, 2022 9:19:47 GMT -5
...and they have the opportunity to do it again in 2023! Thanks to all our Crusaders (players and coaches alike) for this great year and to our President and AD for supporting it.
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Post by jackedforlife on Dec 11, 2022 9:52:04 GMT -5
Re: Attendance, extremely disappointing. I was hopeful for 10k, planned on 8k. Next week will be 12k I’d assume but there will be 4-5k from Bozeman. Hey Jacked, With WAC-SUN wanting to go up to the FBS level, would South Dakota State ever want to jump up to the next level? There is about a .1% chance SDSU would want/choose FBS. TV/FBS Money may be the only thing that could sway it. The Jacks are very comfortable playing FCS football. I even think a jump by the folks in Fargo would be a stretch.
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Post by jackedforlife on Dec 11, 2022 9:56:39 GMT -5
Re: Attendance, extremely disappointing. I was hopeful for 10k, planned on 8k. Next week will be 12k I’d assume but there will be 4-5k from Bozeman. Jack, from the broadcast, it appeared the visitors side had maybe 700 or so. I don't know how many seats there are on the visitors side, but there were more fans on the visitors side at SDSU than there were on the visitors side at HC for UNH. The stadium is considerably larger on the west side vs east(visitors) side. Club level, suite level and such. DJD Stadium seat 19,340 I believe. There is expansion ability to grow to 23k if ever needed by adding an upper tier on the visitor and south end zone areas.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 11, 2022 10:03:23 GMT -5
The game didn't feature nearly the chippiness of previous ballgames in 2022.
It was well officiated too, the refs were in control but clearly in the background, not the forefront.
Both factors made the game much more watchable to someone tuning in w/no rooting interest.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 11, 2022 10:04:20 GMT -5
Sometimes it's better to be a big fish in a smaller pond than to jump into the ocean and be gobbled up. With no offense intended, it's South Dakota, not Texas or California or Alabama or Ohio or Michigan or . . . . Much larger (population, not square miles) states like UMass and UConn went FBS and how's that working out for them? Believe there's historically been calls for Delaware to go FBS, just not lately. Small population states' universities just aren't going to have success in FBS. They don't have the resources.
Kit Hughes has been talking about an NCAA discussion about the whole FBS/FCS/D-1/D-1AA/P5/Mid-major, etc. structure.
A little unsure when that's going to happen, if ever, but I believe that many think there needs to be a major overhaul in college athletics. Let's see what happens.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 11, 2022 10:04:55 GMT -5
Jack, from the broadcast, it appeared the visitors side had maybe 700 or so. I don't know how many seats there are on the visitors side, but there were more fans on the visitors side at SDSU than there were on the visitors side at HC for UNH. The stadium is considerably larger on the west side vs east(visitors) side. Club level, suite level and such. DJD Stadium seat 19,340 I believe. There is expansion ability to grow to 23k if ever needed by adding an upper tier on the visitor and south end zone areas. How much of your league is on the same footing as the MAC and how much has no business moving up? Do the schools get along and therefore perhaps aren't making moves w/o the others? There's also intra-state members (the SDs and the NDs); what moves does one school make w/o the other?
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Post by cmo on Dec 11, 2022 10:05:13 GMT -5
We should have had a better seed. Hopefully yesterday’s showing helps that next year.
Beat army. Beat bc. Get a home quarterfinal game.
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Post by jackedforlife on Dec 11, 2022 10:15:34 GMT -5
Exactly, I know some might be a little upset that the last TD made the score look bad in relation to how close the game was. And some may have had Holy Cross ATS and lost $ on that play. But there were two options for Coach Stig, neither of which were to "take a knee" due to clock stopping on change of possession: a) attempt a relatively easy FG to go up 38-21, making it a three-score game, but risk a block and return by what many would consider a great special teams unit. b) run the play that gives you the best chance of a first down. Stig chose B, and the play resulted in six points. In the end, it was the closest 42-21 game most of us have ever seen. Congrats Jackrabbits on a great win. And FWIW if Janke gets tackled at the 1 on the scoring play, I'm 100% sure SDSU takes a knee rather than going for the score. I get it It is up to the defense to stop. However, the play is to kick the FG, go up multiple scores. If I was still playing, I would try to injure every mother#$@&^*!er on the field if they did that so they never played again. #$@&^*! them. Their coach is a piece of #@*&$~! who looks down on us. Have another few drinks and go for a drive. Good lord, seriously, find another sport or enjoy synchronized swimming. The Jacks got housed by JMU in the Semi’s a few years ago. SDSU played rather bad but I had no issue with JMU dropping 50+. The UC Davis game earlier this season ended 24-22. With less than 5 min left it was 24-10. The 2nd string offense in running clock. The 4th string RB loses the handle on the ball and fumbles. Short field UC Davis scores. Then they execute an onside and score again, missing the 2 point conversion. Almost successfully retrieve another onside kick. If you’re pissed about a TD because it screwed up your betting line admit it. Don’t spout hatred and injury because the score looks worse on paper. Root for the Bobcats this week if you think it was dirty or underhanded. Honestly if I were an HC fan I’d root for the Jacks. As a Jacks fan I believe it was the biggest test SDSU has seen all season, Iowa/NDSU/UND/UNI included. All those games were away games. HC came to Brookings to play and for several quarters we’re beating us at our game. Trench warfare, line play was impressive and Sluka is a stud.
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