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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 13, 2023 19:02:18 GMT -5
So when we have attendance of, say, 12,000 people it is 12,000 HC alums?
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 13, 2023 19:50:33 GMT -5
The Ivy League consistently has been amongst the top FCS conferences when it comes to NFL roster infiltration. As of September 2022, this was the breakdown of NFL players by conference: Missouri Valley - 27 CAA - 19 Big Sky - 14 Ivy - 9 OVC/Big South - 8 MEAC - 7 SoCon - 7 SWAC - 7 Southland - 5 Pioneer - 4 Patriot - 3 NEC - 3 WAC - 2 It should also be noted that the Ivy is an 8-team league while the Big Sky and CAA each have 12-14 teams. So I take it Khalif Raymond and Chase Edmonds are the only 2 active NFL players from the PL...wow. Fair points, especially when you point out the fewer teams in the Ivy League to produce players into the NFL. Just the same, what originally spurred this is comments about the Ivies being disrespected in FCS. I've never thought the top end of the Ivy league is anything better than a roughly #15-25 school....Solid, but not a powerhouse. We learned last year the committee doesn't think much of schools rated there as our Fordham win didn't seem to buy us too much goodwill in seeding, or even in response to our seed where some critics suggested we should not have been seeded. The committee thought highly of the epic HC/Fordham clash as they awarded the Rams an at large slot in the FCS Tournament. That game reverberated throughout the Known FCS World, to steal the title of HC grad Edward P. Jones' Pulitzer Prize winning novel, "The Known World."
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 13, 2023 19:50:39 GMT -5
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Non-alum locals in Worc actually care about HC FB. They don't care about UMass FB.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 13, 2023 19:52:02 GMT -5
So when we have attendance of, say, 12,000 people it is 12,000 HC alums? A healthy mix of students, alums, fans, visiting fans.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 13, 2023 21:47:49 GMT -5
^ ? Non-alum locals in Worc actually care about HC FB. They don't care about UMass FB. You think so??? I don't see it
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2023 7:29:15 GMT -5
Ever met NAD? I am afraid there is much you "don't see" about HC, most of that is positive.
I can remember back in the day (the late 60s) when there were huge pictures of HC athletes (most often football) hanging in stores throughout Worcester - especially near Lake Q. Perhaps we will see the grandchildren of those fans come back to Mt St James - if we welcome them appropriately.
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Post by hc87 on Apr 14, 2023 8:25:03 GMT -5
I think we currently draw pretty damn well given our school size, size of the alumni base, the easy access to watch remotely today etc. etc
I would say we "lost" some of that subway alumni fandom after 1986 for two main reasons (3, if you want to throw in mostly mediocre/poor seasons from 1992-to the Chesney-era), dropping the BC game and joining the PL.
I'm not advocating for getting out of the PL in football here, just explaining that most subway alum fans would have rathered seeing HC play other Yankee/CAA schools than Bucknell, Lafayette etc. The BC game also sort of gave Greater Worcester some excitement taking on the "big boys" from Beantown.
I will say that I have noticed more non-HC alums/families at games the last couple of years....hopefully that will continue to grow.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 14, 2023 8:48:36 GMT -5
Foley is too busy shooting Saturday aft Cribbage games at his local senior center to realize there is currently the most local interest in HC FB since Duff was the coach.
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Post by hc1998 on Apr 14, 2023 11:43:19 GMT -5
The committee thought highly of the epic HC/Fordham clash as they awarded the Rams an at large slot in the FCS Tournament. That game reverberated throughout the Known FCS World, to steal the title of HC grad Edward P. Jones' Pulitzer Prize winning novel, "The Known World." A team squarely in the top 25 should generally easily make a 24 team tournament (I realize with AQ's it is not necessarily a foregone conclusion)...I was commenting on the fact that that victory didn't earn us much as we were A. undefeated, B. beat a FBS school, C. beat a top 25 team, and D. beat Harvard and Yale yet still only mustered the 8 seed
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 14, 2023 12:10:55 GMT -5
Foley is too busy shooting Saturday aft Cribbage games at his local senior center to realize there is currently the most local interest in HC FB since Duff was the coach. Yet, they only drew 6,265 fans for a playoff game.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 14, 2023 12:16:00 GMT -5
Foley is too busy shooting Saturday aft Cribbage games at his local senior center to realize there is currently the most local interest in HC FB since Duff was the coach. Yet, they only drew 6,265 fans for a playoff game. In Nor'Easter conditions. And it was one of the highest FCS playoff draws of that weekend.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 14, 2023 12:16:06 GMT -5
A team squarely in the top 25 should generally easily make a 24 team tournament (I realize with AQ's it is not necessarily a foregone conclusion)...I was commenting on the fact that that victory didn't earn us much as we were A. undefeated, B. beat a FBS school, C. beat a top 25 team, and D. beat Harvard and Yale yet still only mustered the 8 seed Weak FCS schedule in comparison to the other seeds. It’s really that simple. I suspect HC coaches realize one way to overcome that is to show you are MUCH better than the weak (unranked) teams you play.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 14, 2023 12:21:35 GMT -5
A team squarely in the top 25 should generally easily make a 24 team tournament (I realize with AQ's it is not necessarily a foregone conclusion)...I was commenting on the fact that that victory didn't earn us much as we were A. undefeated, B. beat a FBS school, C. beat a top 25 team, and D. beat Harvard and Yale yet still only mustered the 8 seed Weak FCS schedule in comparison to the other seeds. It’s really that simple. I suspect HC coaches realize one way to overcome that is to show you are MUCH better than the weak (unranked) teams you play. And better the FCS OOC schedule moving forward. Realize that is difficult considering the long range scheduling
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Post by hc87 on Apr 15, 2023 8:19:29 GMT -5
Yet, they only drew 6,265 fans for a playoff game. That number was lower than the actual, given that because of the weather conditions they weren’t really checking tickets. Given the weather conditions that day (I'm still drying out), it was a fantastic turn-out....turned out to be one of the best days at Fitton in her long, gloried history.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 15, 2023 8:21:34 GMT -5
All this chatter of that game is making me want to rewatch the second half as we played bully ball running around, over, and through the UNH front seven. That was fun.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 15, 2023 8:27:50 GMT -5
All this chatter of that game is making me want to rewatch the second half as we played bully ball running around, over, and through the UNH front seven. That was fun. Spot on- thought UNH had a lot of momentum going into the break.
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Post by deep Purple on Apr 15, 2023 8:45:29 GMT -5
Foley is too busy shooting Saturday aft Cribbage games at his local senior center to realize there is currently the most local interest in HC FB since Duff was the coach. Yet, they only drew 6,265 fans for a playoff game. Attendance wasn't that great, should have been better. I think the last time New Hampshire hosted a playoff game was 2017 - attendance 2,385.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Apr 15, 2023 8:55:45 GMT -5
Don’t forget official attendance numbers for FCS playoff games are not accurate due to the NCAA rev share. Usually lists 30-40% less. Take a look at Montana or a program who’s home attendance you can set your watch too. It frustrates the hell out of the FCS media cause they can’t get accurate numbers.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 15, 2023 9:07:38 GMT -5
Only things I know about attendance at the UNH game are: (1) it was more than the official number and (2) a lot more wish they had been there (and will claim to have been as time goes on).
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Post by necfbfan on Apr 15, 2023 9:14:18 GMT -5
^ ? Non-alum locals in Worc actually care about HC FB. They don't care about UMass FB. You think so??? I don't see it Eh, I think there's a difference between "care" and "hype." There's certainly a growing excitement around the team that will only continue to grow with a win over BC. People are "excited" about this program's potential. It's the type of team that can get folks to come out on a good day when the competition is enticing. Like the Fordham game last year. And if a playoff game is played in good weather, I'd expect over 10,000. That's "hype." "Care" is another thing. People care about the Patriots as in they have a loyalty to the team and will watch every game. Non-alums will have trouble "caring" about a team that plays Patriot League competition. Worth seeing the best game or two on the calendar? Absolutely? Worth buying season tickets if you're not a diehard alum? Probably not to most with the competition being what it is now.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 15, 2023 9:29:50 GMT -5
Yet, they only drew 6,265 fans for a playoff game. Attendance wasn't that great, should have been better. I think the last time New Hampshire hosted a playoff game was 2017 - attendance 2,385. HV v UNH was about the same reported number as HC v SDS in the following playoff game.
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Post by hc2020 on May 2, 2023 12:38:10 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on May 2, 2023 12:57:03 GMT -5
Impressive Hope the committee seeds us the same for the playoffs
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Post by bigfan on May 2, 2023 14:17:56 GMT -5
As a long term fan of HC football & basketball the two main reasons that attendance is low, losing Umass & BC for home games, there are a lot of Umass alumni in the Worcester area who would come to games and the local people always looked forward to the BC game. In regards to basketball joining the PL was the big mistake that HC made. After joining the league the attendance took a big hit and season ticket people gave up. I know that as people did not want watch some of those teams and preferred to watch better teams of TV.
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Post by football44 on May 2, 2023 14:22:03 GMT -5
Check around the 52.19 minutes of the podcast to hear what was said about HC.
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