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Post by efg72 on Dec 14, 2022 22:32:36 GMT -5
022-23 Patriot League Presidents’ Cup Fall Standings (Through Fall – seven sports) Overall Standings (No. of sports) Points Army West Point (5) 43.75 Navy (5) 42 Boston University (5) 38.75 Bucknell (7) 36.75 Lehigh (7) 33 American (6) 30 Colgate (7) 26.75 Lafayette (7) 25.25 Loyola Maryland (5) 19.5 Holy Cross (7) 19 Men’s Standings (No. of sports) Points Navy (2) 18.75 Army West Point (2) 17.75 Boston University (2) 16.25 Lafayette (3) 14.75 American (2) 12.75 Bucknell (3) 12.5 Colgate (3) 10.5 Lehigh (3) 10.5 Holy Cross (3) 10.0 Loyola Maryland (2) 7.5 Women’s Standings (No. of sports) Points Army West Point (3) 26 Bucknell (4) 24.25 Navy (3) 23.25 Boston University (3) 22.5 Lehigh (4) 22.5 American (4) 17.25 Colgate (4) 16.25 Loyola Maryland (3) 12 Lafayette (4) 10.5 Holy Cross (4) 9
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Post by HC92 on Dec 14, 2022 22:53:41 GMT -5
Another top 10 finish!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 14, 2022 23:04:46 GMT -5
Why do we think leaving the PL will solve our ineptitude largely across the board (football being the exception, of course)?
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2022 0:43:53 GMT -5
Because people think the PL ruined Holy Cross Athletics and leaving the PL would make us peers of BC, Providence, UConn again like before we joined /formed the league. But it doesn't work that way.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 15, 2022 0:50:12 GMT -5
Because people think the PL ruined Holy Cross Athletics and leaving the PL would make us peers of BC, Providence, UConn again like before we joined /formed the league. But it doesn't work that way. But what people don't recognize is BC (not like it matters there), PC, and UConn fully fund their soccer squads, lacrosse teams, hockey programs, etc....
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 15, 2022 6:58:50 GMT -5
Why do we think leaving the PL will solve our ineptitude largely across the board (football being the exception, of course)? Yes, the PL is not currently the cause of HC's underperformance in many sports. For the well-funded sports hiring the right coach is essential, and for the other sports HC either puts enough money into them or they don't. Without enough money you might catch lightning in a bottle once in a while, but otherwise everyone should have tempered (low) expectations.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 15, 2022 8:15:06 GMT -5
Because people think the PL ruined Holy Cross Athletics and leaving the PL would make us peers of BC, Providence, UConn again like before we joined /formed the league. But it doesn't work that way. But what people don't recognize is BC (not like it matters there), PC, and UConn fully fund their soccer squads, lacrosse teams, hockey programs, etc.... When people from my era that went to HC compare today to what things used to be like there; it looks like they're spending a lot. Al McGuire used to say something to the effect that Jesuits took a vow of poverty and expected everyone else to take the same vow.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 15, 2022 9:04:51 GMT -5
AD Kit rode the football success nicely but now it’s time to get the hard work done - he has stated publically he will analyze each program and set strategy for success - if some programs can’t be redeemed I’d suggest a close look at eliminating some sports
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 15, 2022 9:19:59 GMT -5
And go where?
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 15, 2022 10:04:48 GMT -5
A legitimate question JGRNYR, but if those who simply hate the PL are behind this thread, it is one they may never answer because they only want out of the PL. Where HC goes after that does not seem to concern some of them.
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Post by Tom on Dec 15, 2022 13:22:38 GMT -5
There could be two answers to that question. One that is typical messageboard discussion and one that is realistic
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2022 13:32:19 GMT -5
The realistic answer is no HC sport will be sent to Death Row. But it's almost comical how the band plays on while the Titanic (most of HC teams) sinks.
At the start of every new season the ship is dredged up, patched up and sent out for another voyage straight into the iceberg.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 15, 2022 13:40:28 GMT -5
I have learned from a nautical engineer that if the Titanic had gone "straight into the iceberg" it probably would not have sunk. It was trying to turn that caused the side to be ripped open and doomed the ship. Perhaps if HC does steer straight ahead it might have a better chance for survival.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 15, 2022 13:50:52 GMT -5
Why do we think leaving the PL will solve our ineptitude largely across the board (football being the exception, of course)? This is like moving to the biggest, nicest house in your county and thinking that will make you rich (as they foreclose on you and start auctioning off your furniture on the front lawn a few months later ) HC would have to BE rich before they could ACT rich, with respect to athletics.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 15, 2022 13:56:44 GMT -5
I have learned from a nautical engineer that if the Titanic had gone "straight into the iceberg" it probably would not have sunk. It was trying to turn that caused the side to be ripped open and doomed the ship. Perhaps if HC does steer straight ahead it might have a better chance for survival. Like when a deer jumps in front of your car on the highway, they tell you to speed up!
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 15, 2022 13:57:23 GMT -5
The realistic answer is no HC sport will be sent to Death Row. But it's almost comical how the band plays on while the Titanic (most of HC teams) sinks. At the start of every new season the ship is dredged up, patched up and sent out for another voyage straight into the iceberg. Ok, to keep the nautical metaphor going HC sports is a beautiful yacht (football) towing a number of various sized dinghies, most of them taking on water and requiring constant bailing just to stay afloat. Any or all of the dinghies can be replaced with other yachts at any time if HC comes up with the money. Otherwise, keep bailing.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2022 14:02:57 GMT -5
I have learned from a nautical engineer that if the Titanic had gone "straight into the iceberg" it probably would not have sunk. It was trying to turn that caused the side to be ripped open and doomed the ship. Perhaps if HC does steer straight ahead it might have a better chance for survival. Like when a deer jumps in front of your car on the highway, they tell you to speed up! Or the traditional guidance on how to navigate Kelley Square: "close your eyes and gun it."
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 15, 2022 14:03:34 GMT -5
No need to bail out women's hoops.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2022 15:51:53 GMT -5
No need to bail out women's hoops. WBB and FB. Both have maxed out scholarships (WBB might not use all the ones available to it) and both have just extended winning coaches. Regarding some of the other sports, HC has made decisions to invest millions into facilities upgrades and pennies into scholarships and coaching salaries. Of the three spending avenues HC has available to elevate minor sports: 1) Facilities upgrades 2) Scholarships 3) Coaching salaries/recruiting budget How do you rank them in how much a dollar spent in each category is effective in turning consistently losing programs into competitive programs?
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 15, 2022 16:24:40 GMT -5
So many excellent h.s. Athletes out there that need to be discovered - I’m voting for 3) - salaries and recruiting
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 16, 2022 21:53:06 GMT -5
There could be two answers to that question. One that is typical messageboard discussion and one that is realistic I’m not sure there are any realistic landing spots. If the grass is greener on the other side, water your own lawn.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 16, 2022 22:02:48 GMT -5
Very good advice.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 17, 2022 19:42:15 GMT -5
Well put
First pay our coaches and staff at the top of FCS/Mid FBS Increase all sports (if we believe we can compete) the full compliment of scholarships Do a major fundraiser through Estate Planning and other gifts to get the funding for infrastructure improvements and academic scholarships- dollars spent 50-50.
However, If government continues to make everybody pay for the loans of others through this loan forgiveness effort don't bother raising any more for scholarships/aid
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 17, 2022 21:35:05 GMT -5
To clarify...the loan forgiveness effort by the Democrats (just before the last election) has been declared unconstitutional by several judges. In terms of loan forgiveness it may not come to anything.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 17, 2022 23:14:50 GMT -5
Correct but it remains out there ad a legislative option, albeit unlikely to happen
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