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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 23, 2023 11:57:06 GMT -5
Pitino, Becker, Lonergan are all non-starters. I would be surprised if HC would hire one of them. They are not coming to HC. HC is a high integrity, high academic institution. Would expect Pitino would not be welcome at HC. Could imagine student protests of Becker & Lonergan. Why would the school add to its troubles in the process of lowering its standards in a move which will only result in failure? The issue is not forgiveness. Trying not to be political but... I can forgive Bill Clinton but I would not want him anywhere near my daughter. Over the years, win or lose HC's b-ball coaches have been men of character. Micah 7:18 -- "Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity and passing over transgression for the remnant of his inheritance? He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in steadfast love." Becker and Longergan are very different than Pitino, IMO. Also, HC had a sexual predator (organist) on campus for years and years coercing students. Let's not act as if HC is without faults.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 23, 2023 12:08:35 GMT -5
Out with the dark ages thinking. (Which did not actually exist in the dark ages. Going back to at least the 19th century through the 1920's, 30's 40's 50', 60's to today schools regularly prostituted themselves to please alums with success on the court or field.) However, in the present, win at any cost. Have a coach who takes the guys to strip clubs & restaurants with ladies of pleasure. Have a coach who provides a little extra money, cash in a brown bag to the guys. Have gut classes or phantom classes for dumb jocks. Do not kid yourself into believing these practices have stopped. Covering up a rape, yelling racial ethnic slurs? Time to forgive & forget not out of Judeo-Christian charity but solely to advance the interests of success on the court or the field. Some more dark ages? HC players never lose. They get the benefit of a great education under the guidance of fine men. HC players have always been and continue to be winners. Peace.
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Post by football44 on Feb 23, 2023 13:01:06 GMT -5
Rick Pitino would take the HC job if offered. He would have jumped at HC in 2020. His next job is going to be a place in which he believes he can get to his eighth Final Four. Not true! Marcus Blossom blew that deal back a few years ago.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 23, 2023 13:55:38 GMT -5
Pitino, Becker, Lonergan are all non-starters. I would be surprised if HC would hire one of them. They are not coming to HC. HC is a high integrity, high academic institution. Would expect Pitino would not be welcome at HC. Could imagine student protests of Becker & Lonergan. Why would the school add to its troubles in the process of lowering its standards in a move which will only result in failure? The issue is not forgiveness. Trying not to be political but... I can forgive Bill Clinton but I would not want him anywhere near my daughter. Over the years, win or lose HC's b-ball coaches have been men of character. Micah 7:18 -- "Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity and passing over transgression for the remnant of his inheritance? He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in steadfast love." Becker and Longergan are very different than Pitino, IMO. Also, HC had a sexual predator (organist) on campus for years and years coercing students. Let's not act as if HC is without faults. Which team did Micah coach? HC had a predator coach is a great"rationale" for hiring another morally/ethically flawed coach to lead our young people.
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Post by football44 on Feb 23, 2023 14:39:05 GMT -5
Yeah let's get a "purist" coach to lead the Cub Scout pack we have playing in the Hart Center. Just what we need. We have this idea that both academically and athletically Holy Cross is so much better and that we shouldn't lower ourselves. Are you tired of the embarrassment on the court? If so, it might be time to hire and experienced winner to get the Holy Cross basketball program back where it belongs."JMO".
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 23, 2023 14:49:16 GMT -5
I’m not a win at any cost guy but the program is a disgrace. Have to take a chance on the next guy. Have to create buzz, etc. Big big hire for Kit. Have to get this one right.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 23, 2023 20:09:32 GMT -5
My guess on Pitino is he goes to Georgetown.
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Post by hc17 on Feb 23, 2023 20:24:04 GMT -5
Who would be a statement hire for Kit? What is realistic?
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Post by hchoops on Feb 23, 2023 20:29:58 GMT -5
My guess on Pitino is he goes to Georgetown. Doubt that Gtown would pay the multi million Iona buyout
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Post by mm67 on Feb 23, 2023 20:58:59 GMT -5
Don't believe HC needs to hire an ethically challenged coach to win at our level.
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Post by trimster on Feb 23, 2023 21:04:42 GMT -5
Who would be a statement hire for Kit? What is realistic? There is no statement hire to be had. Chesney was hardly a statement hire and look at what he and his staff have accomplished. I'll take the same in hoops although it may be more likely from the D3 ranks since I don't think there are many D2 hoop programs left.
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Post by Crosser on Feb 23, 2023 22:04:24 GMT -5
I agree that a "statement" hire is highly unlikely. Unless, of course, some famous, successful coach or former coach suddenly gets the notion that somehow bringing Holy Cross back from its current depths to back to its former glory will be the crowning achievement on his/her career. Personally, I would be very happy with rolling the dice on any of those successful mid-Atlantic D-III coaches. Continuing with Nelson just doesn't seem like a good idea.
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Post by Ray on Feb 24, 2023 8:37:02 GMT -5
My guess on Pitino is he goes to Georgetown. Doubt that Gtown would pay the multi million Iona buyout
I'm with SoV, I think GTown is a probable landing spot for Little Rickie. They need a turnaround artist, and for all of his drawbacks, he's a legendary turnaround artist.
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Post by football44 on Feb 24, 2023 8:52:25 GMT -5
Don't believe HC needs to hire an ethically challenged coach to win at our level. Ethically challenged? The basketball coach at New Mexico State is ethically challenged. The basketball coach at Alabama is ethically challenged. Wouldn't want them anywhere near HC. In case you didn't hear, the NCAA cleared Rick Pitino of ALL of the charges that were levied against him. As Sons of D. mentioned get upset about the prior administration allowing sexual predators to run wild at HC. I'm personally done with trying to find the next angelic coach at HC. Let's win!!
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 24, 2023 9:13:19 GMT -5
HC has not graduated all of its players. HC has not had high grades among all of its players in the classroom. HC has not had players stay on the team, even within the season. HC has had some players kicked off the team for reasons unknown. HC has had injured players vanish into obscurity without any information. Oh, and looking on the floor, HC has lost the majority of its games. HC has not had a 1st team All Patriot League player in AGES.
So we may be protecting the idea of the integrity of the program and its performance, but as the sum of its parts, the program has not been the idyllic oasis in the desert of scumbag D1 basketball that many posters are making it out to be.
Do I want players murdering women in town, committing sexual assault, taking fake classes, getting cash under the table, and other unscrupulous activities? No. Never.
Do I think we can get smart people, good young men, who happen to be guys that can ball? No. I don't think so. I KNOW so. It takes the right coach. The right image. The right commitments on both sides. Not expecting or accepting mediocrity. Magis. Do better. Be better.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 24, 2023 9:23:41 GMT -5
HC has not had a 1st team All Patriot League player in AGES. That sure better change at least in a few days/
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Post by mm67 on Feb 24, 2023 9:34:10 GMT -5
There is grumbling in NY about St. John's basketball. Coach has seemingly recruited well. Team has not produced on the court. The coach is on the hot seat. We'll see if the job opens up. St. John's is by far the better fit for RP.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 24, 2023 9:35:29 GMT -5
HC has not had a 1st team All Patriot League player in AGES. That sure better change at least in a few days/ It really is something else that since 2008-09 (Keister), we've had one first-teamer (Dudz in 2013-14). One first team guy in 13 seasons. Even bad teams have guys that make first team.
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Post by hc17 on Feb 24, 2023 9:38:08 GMT -5
Any thoughts on Pat Skerry (Towson)? Would he come back home? Lateral move?
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Post by nhteamer on Feb 24, 2023 9:39:29 GMT -5
I agree with above about Pitino: Georgetown needs him and he needs Georgetown.
Only people over 40 witnessed the great Georgetown teams. They are petrified by their new invisibility (we perfected it) and they need a turnaround now.
RP to GU is perfect for both
For HC
Billy Her......... JK
LONERGAN
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 24, 2023 9:46:13 GMT -5
That sure better change at least in a few days/ It really is something else that since 2008-09 (Keister), we've had one first-teamer (Dudz in 2013-14). One first team guy in 13 seasons. Even bad teams have guys that make first team. Here's what I put together earlier this season. 1st Team All-PL appearances by a Holy Cross Men's Basketball Player, by year: 2021-2022 = 0 2020-2021 = 0 2019-2020 = 0 2018-2019 = 0 2017-2018 = 0 2016-2017 = 0 2015-2016 = 0 2014-2015 = 0 2013-2014 = 1 (Dave Dudz) 2012-2013 = 0 2011-2012 = 0 2010-2011 = 0 2009-2010 = 0 2008-2009 = 1 (Andrew Keister) Our last PL PoY award was 2006-2007 with my favorite HC player, Keith Simmons, winning the award. 2 first team players in 14 seasons, or 2 players out of a total available 70 potential spots (2.85%). Not great, Jerry!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 24, 2023 9:47:09 GMT -5
Any thoughts on Pat Skerry (Towson)? Would he come back home? Lateral move? What makes you think he'd be interested? He's making around half a million right now and in a much better league. Perhaps he thinks Towson has hit a ceiling. They were one of the worst programs in the country under Pat Kennedy (sorry, Joe) and Skerry quickly turned things around in his second year. If her were to take Towson to the NCAA Tournament, he'd be closer to a bigger job than Towson, rather than retreating the HC / the PL. HC would have to throw a long-term contract with a beaucoup dollars to get him, IMO.
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Post by hc17 on Feb 24, 2023 9:50:43 GMT -5
Any thoughts on Pat Skerry (Towson)? Would he come back home? Lateral move? What makes you think he'd be interested? He's making around half a million right now and in a much better league. Perhaps he thinks Towson has hit a ceiling. They were one of the worst programs in the country under Pat Kennedy (sorry, Joe) and Skerry quickly turned things around in his second year. If her were to take Towson to the NCAA Tournament, he'd be closer to a bigger job than Towson, rather than retreating the HC / the PL. HC would have to throw a long-term contract with a beaucoup dollars to get him, IMO. Interesting twitter thread (nothing more than that). Also mentioned HC is vetting Non-D1 guys:
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Post by nhteamer on Feb 24, 2023 9:51:56 GMT -5
Before we hired Kearney (I hate Mike Brey) Lonergan accepted the job. His wife vetoed it as she didn't want to live in Worcester
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 24, 2023 10:06:38 GMT -5
Before we hired Kearney (I hate Mike Brey) Lonergan accepted the job. His wife vetoed it as she didn't want to live in Worcester That must have made the Worcester Telegram or industry websites and blogs.
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