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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 28, 2023 10:39:00 GMT -5
This fascination with D3 is something. Recruiting scholarship players to the pL is very different than what these guys are doing in D3. our guy did at Marquette.Fixed it.
Honestly, your all-in support over the last four years for the worst coach in Holy Cross history might call for a tad less condescension at this juncture
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 28, 2023 11:03:37 GMT -5
BBC-- you are a very stubborn man. Over-complicating matters with a litany of nuances does not prove that you are an expert, it only proves that you over-complicate matters.
I do have to give you full marks, as always, for the tortured logic which is always so entertaining.
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 28, 2023 11:08:30 GMT -5
I would eliminate from consideration anyone who has never won a game as a head coach aT any level. No offense, but this is a foolish requirement that would do nothing but potentially disqualify our best candidate(s). FADDR made this foolish proclamation after letting SK go, and it cost us having the current head coach of the Oklahoma City Thunder. If Colgate had this requirement, they wouldn't have Matt Langel. Let's just hire the best candidate for the job, regardless of what his background is. The choice is simply:
1) hiring a high potential assistant and hope he can make the needed adjustments to be a winning head coach
or
2) hiring someone who has a record of success as a head coach at a lower level
Both involve risk.
If we had two finalists (one from each category), I'm going with #2 every time and twice on Sunday.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 28, 2023 11:18:53 GMT -5
This fascination with D3 is something. On one hand, the CCC is saying the next coach needs to have head coaching experience, but then on the other hand they're fascinated with guys who have never had to manage a scholarship cap and the transfer portal -- two factors that cannot be ignored in who we hire at HC. Recruiting scholarship players to the pL is very different than what these guys are doing in D3. If I were a betting man, I would bet an astute head coach at the D3 level could figure out how to manage recruiting with schollies and the portal very quickly. Connecting with people and being a good x and o person are probably much more important. The latter two are applicable at any coaching level. But an astute astute assistant coach who worked for a good-to-great head coach(es) can't figure out how to step into the first chair at HC, as they have done countless time at other places? HC is a tough job, but people are making it sound like its rocket science. There is going to be a learning curve for a guy who has never coached at the D1 level, just as there is for a guy who hasn't been a head coach.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 28, 2023 11:24:21 GMT -5
BBC-- you are a very stubborn man. Over-complicating matters with a litany of nuances does not prove that you are an expert, it only proves that you over-complicate matters. I do have to give you full marks, as always, for the tortured logic which is always so entertaining. Wait, so you really think coaching football in D1-AA at HC is the same thing as coaching basketball in D1? Aye carumba.
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 28, 2023 11:31:17 GMT -5
If I were a betting man, I would bet an astute head coach at the D3 level could figure out how to manage recruiting with schollies and the portal very quickly. Connecting with people and being a good x and o person are probably much more important. The latter two are applicable at any coaching level. But an astute astute assistant coach who worked for a good-to-great head coach(es) can't figure out how to step into the first chair at HC, as they have done countless time at other places? HC is a tough job, but people are making it sound like its rocket science. There is going to be a learning curve for a guy who has never coached at the D1 level, just as there is for a guy who hasn't been a head coach. You are so right. Coaching a basketball team is not rocket science.
Basketball is basketball......at any level.
But head coaching is so different from assistant coaching.
You either have what it takes as a leader to inspire a team and attract recruits or you don't. It's somewhat of a learned skill but very innate.
How you assess someone's ability to lead when they have never done it is a big problem and we cannot afford to make another mistake.
The fact that Milan Brown and Bill Carmody were more successful than Sean Kearney and Brett Nelson is not surprising.
Now the trick is to pick the RIGHT person with head coaching experience.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 28, 2023 11:36:56 GMT -5
BBC-- you are a very stubborn man. Over-complicating matters with a litany of nuances does not prove that you are an expert, it only proves that you over-complicate matters. I do have to give you full marks, as always, for the tortured logic which is always so entertaining. Wait, so you really think coaching football in D1-AA at HC is the same thing as coaching basketball in D1? Aye carumba. No, I think that the process for finding a good coach for D1-AA football at HC and finding a good coach for D-1 basketball are quite similar. Have you forgotten what the subject is? Oy vey
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 28, 2023 11:41:44 GMT -5
But an astute astute assistant coach who worked for a good-to-great head coach(es) can't figure out how to step into the first chair at HC, as they have done countless time at other places? HC is a tough job, but people are making it sound like its rocket science. There is going to be a learning curve for a guy who has never coached at the D1 level, just as there is for a guy who hasn't been a head coach. You are so right. Coaching a basketball team is not rocket science.
Basketball is basketball......at any level.
But head coaching is so different from assistant coaching.
You either have what it takes as a leader to inspire a team and attract recruits or you don't. It's somewhat of a learned skill but very innate.
How you assess someone's ability to lead when they have never done it is a big problem and we cannot afford to make another mistake.
The fact that Milan Brown and Bill Carmody were more successful than Sean Kearney and Brett Nelson is not surprising.
Now the trick is to pick the RIGHT person with head coaching experience.
Amen, brother-you have captured the essence of what it takes to be a successful head coach and the challenge we shall soon face
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 28, 2023 12:15:10 GMT -5
But an astute astute assistant coach who worked for a good-to-great head coach(es) can't figure out how to step into the first chair at HC, as they have done countless time at other places? HC is a tough job, but people are making it sound like its rocket science. There is going to be a learning curve for a guy who has never coached at the D1 level, just as there is for a guy who hasn't been a head coach. You are so right. Coaching a basketball team is not rocket science.
Basketball is basketball......at any level.
But head coaching is so different from assistant coaching.
You either have what it takes as a leader to inspire a team and attract recruits or you don't. It's somewhat of a learned skill but very innate.
How you assess someone's ability to lead when they have never done it is a big problem and we cannot afford to make another mistake.
The fact that Milan Brown and Bill Carmody were more successful than Sean Kearney and Brett Nelson is not surprising.
Now the trick is to pick the RIGHT person with head coaching experience. As the great Glen Ordway would say, "YOU'RE MAKING MY POINT" 1) Having the innate ability to be a head coach is not something that comes from being a head coach. Matt Langel had it going to Colgate without head coaching experience, just as much as Bob Chesney had it going to HC with head coaching experience. 2) You make it sound like Milan & Carmody were successful, which they were not. We were 0-2 hiring guys with head coaching experience and 0-2 hiring guys without head coaching experience -- SAME PROBABILITY OF FAILURE WITH EITHER METHOD. I would say that we aren't Duke or North Carolina with an unlimited list of people with head coaching experience, but those two schools just hired guys without any head coaching experience
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Post by HC92 on Feb 28, 2023 12:21:49 GMT -5
Recruiting scholarship players to the pL is very different than what these guys are doing in D3. Just like recruiting football players to HC is different than recruiting to Assumption. Guys who can put together a basketball team at random D3 schools that would beat Brett’s current team by 30 could probably figure out how to put together an okay team with scholarships at HC.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 28, 2023 13:06:15 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 28, 2023 19:13:23 GMT -5
Jack Perri?
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 28, 2023 19:50:08 GMT -5
I’d certainly have him on my list.
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 28, 2023 19:51:38 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 28, 2023 21:16:27 GMT -5
No offense, but this is a foolish requirement that would do nothing but potentially disqualify our best candidate(s). FADDR made this foolish proclamation after letting SK go, and it cost us having the current head coach of the Oklahoma City Thunder. If Colgate had this requirement, they wouldn't have Matt Langel. Let's just hire the best candidate for the job, regardless of what his background is. The choice is simply:
1) hiring a high potential assistant and hope he can make the needed adjustments to be a winning head coach
or
2) hiring someone who has a record of success as a head coach at a lower level
Both involve risk.
If we had two finalists (one from each category), I'm going with #2 every time and twice on Sunday.
Both will see HC as a stepping stone for a new job if they win. Nelson will go right back into being a MBB assistant coach without an issue with his connections.
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Post by ts1970 on Mar 1, 2023 19:46:51 GMT -5
Like I said prior, a 2.96 at Holy Cross is more impressive than a 3.46 at Harvard. Just pointing out a fact. I agree, but that number still seems too low to crow about - especially given the numbers we've seen in the past from MBB and other sports. It’s a very respectable number to me, but yes, far from a huge shining moment for a college b-ball team. Nevertheless keep in mind, top grades are anything but easy to earn at our alma mater.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 1, 2023 22:55:04 GMT -5
If I were a betting man, I would bet an astute head coach at the D3 level could figure out how to manage recruiting with schollies and the portal very quickly. Connecting with people and being a good x and o person are probably much more important. The latter two are applicable at any coaching level. But an astute astute assistant coach who worked for a good-to-great head coach(es) can't figure out how to step into the first chair at HC, as they have done countless time at other places? HC is a tough job, but people are making it sound like its rocket science. There is going to be a learning curve for a guy who has never coached at the D1 level, just as there is for a guy who hasn't been a head coach. Third time never fails?? Or are you blaming Sean Kearney on Brey and Nelson on Wojo? You did say "good-to-great".
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2023 23:24:48 GMT -5
If I were a betting man, I would bet an astute head coach at the D3 level could figure out how to manage recruiting with schollies and the portal very quickly. Connecting with people and being a good x and o person are probably much more important. The latter two are applicable at any coaching level. But an astute astute assistant coach who worked for a good-to-great head coach(es) can't figure out how to step into the first chair at HC, as they have done countless time at other places? HC is a tough job, but people are making it sound like its rocket science. There is going to be a learning curve for a guy who has never coached at the D1 level, just as there is for a guy who hasn't been a head coach. How do you weigh the coaching record of one applicant's boss vs the coaching record of the other applicant? Two HC ADs came up with a measurement scale and the winning candidate's boss's record beat out other candidate's own records both times. Both ADs and their head coaches won both press conferences going away.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 1, 2023 23:26:58 GMT -5
D2 & D3 coaches moving to D1 have to make a big adjustment what with the D1 game using a larger ball on a smaller court, with the rim set at a different height, with the foul line at 15 feet instead of 12, and especially playing 5 on 5 instead of 4 on 4. The 20 minute halves are an additional factor. It’s a completely different game
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Post by wheeler on Mar 1, 2023 23:45:05 GMT -5
You're right. He's not the answer. Jack Perri would be a good hire, btw, but HC should aim higher.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 2, 2023 0:38:59 GMT -5
D2 & D3 coaches moving to D1 have to make a big adjustment what with the D1 game using a larger ball on a smaller court, with the rim set at a different height, with the foul line at 15 feet instead of 12, and especially playing 5 on 5 instead of 4 on 4. The 20 minute halves are an additional factor. It’s a completely different game D-2/3 coaches also have to remain seated on the bench while the ball is in play. But at least if you hire someone who has been a head coach you aren't buying a "pig in a poke."
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 28, 2023 17:51:14 GMT -5
Hire Paulsen. Very simple and easy hire to justify. 10 year deal. Set it and forget it. No thanks, not interested in a former Bucknell coach. Bucknell will be looking, he can go back Sorry!
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Post by lou on Mar 28, 2023 18:25:12 GMT -5
No thanks, not interested in a former Bucknell coach. Bucknell will be looking, he can go back Sorry! 🙂
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