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Post by sader1970 on Apr 20, 2023 16:14:16 GMT -5
FWIW, just got off the PC webinar and Kit used the men's LAX as an example of lack of schollies relative to our PL competitors. He implied (my interpretation) that if you care about LAX, you have to help financially support it. He also mentioned the need to get more consistency with LAX staff. He did say, relative to resources (financial presumably) that we've been "making some progress and I'm hopeful that we're able to increase the resources for that program which will have a competitive impact."
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Post by princetoncrusader on Apr 20, 2023 16:18:12 GMT -5
The PC webinar with Kit and the 2 basketball coaches just finished. In response to a question about the men's lax program, Kit said the program is very under-resourced vs. peers and "we are trying to close that gap." Sounds like he is talking with some large donors about endowed scholarships. He concluded by saying "the future is bright for men's lacrosse." I don't think he made any specific comments about coach Reppert.
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 20, 2023 16:22:35 GMT -5
Direct quote from the phonetic transcript: "And so we've had a lot of turnover in in [sic] our men's lacrosse program as well. And we need to again build some consistency with our staff."
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 20, 2023 16:39:44 GMT -5
The PC webinar with Kit and the 2 basketball coaches just finished. In response to a question about the men's lax program, Kit said the program is very under-resourced vs. peers and "we are trying to close that gap." Sounds like he is talking with some large donors about endowed scholarships. He concluded by saying "the future is bright for men's lacrosse." I don't think he made any specific comments about coach Reppert. > Re: the coach. He paired men's lacrosse with men's hoops when it came to head coach turnover. Said one can't be successful if there isn't continuity in the coaching staff. > To endow one full scollie, $1,700,000 x 4.5 percent distribution = $76,500. So I don't think they are talking about permanently endowing scollies in the traditional sense. Rather, I suspect that they may be talking several years of bridge scollies, with several hundred thousand used annually over 1-3 years, until HC itself budgets for these M's lax scollies.
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Post by beachbound on Apr 20, 2023 18:13:35 GMT -5
I used to get an online crusader athletics magazine twice a year and it would publish the amount raised by the Crusader Athletic Fund per sport. Men’s Lax was always top 3 in alumni and parent support. Maybe that has changed the in the last couple of years with all the turnover but the lax alum have always given back to the program. Time for the school to pony up some more scholarships and stop acting like our financial condition is a step away from St Michael’s.
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Post by crusader99 on Apr 20, 2023 18:40:17 GMT -5
We have an opportunity to show support next week during the giving day. I plan to kick-in For the men’s program.
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Post by hclaxfan on Apr 24, 2023 9:11:44 GMT -5
Agree our record is a function of roster strength rather than X’s and O’s or team morale. And it takes $’s to build a stronger roster. We match the lax schollie dollars of the top PL schools, with this staff, we’ll be competitive for PL championships. I respectfully disagree with both of the above posters (mostly). I would say the woes of this years' team are largely due to coaching, tone, and leadership. I would say 80% coaching, 20% roster talent. The areas where play is most "coached" or choreographed is clearing and man-up; we are among the worst in the country in these areas (clearing at .780 and man-up at .262). These areas' results reflect scheme not talent. Looking at 3Q results which should reflect coaching adjustments made at halftime, we have scored 21 goals and given up 42: our worst quarter This team is admittedly at a talent disadvantage to the top of the PL (Army, Loyola, BU) and Syracuse, all fully funded programs. I think we are in the ballpark with Lafayette, PC, Bucknell, Dartmouth, Merrimack, Colgate etc.. I think we have more talent than Mercer and UML. If I was handicapping our schedule preseason I would have had the most competitive games being against: PC, Merrimack, Dartmouth, Lafayette, Bucknell, and Lehigh. I would have predicted between 1 and 3 wins against these teams with games being mostly 1 or 2 goals margins. We lost all 6. We lost by a combined 38 goals (6.3 per games) - blowouts. Losing to these teams by 1 or 2 might accurately reflect talent disparities. Getting blown out is coaching IMO.
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Post by hclaxfan on Apr 24, 2023 9:12:11 GMT -5
Agree our record is a function of roster strength rather than X’s and O’s or team morale. And it takes $’s to build a stronger roster. We match the lax schollie dollars of the top PL schools, with this staff, we’ll be competitive for PL championships. I respectfully disagree with both of the above posters (mostly). I would say the woes of this years' team are largely due to coaching, tone, and leadership. I would say 80% coaching, 20% roster talent. The areas where play is most "coached" or choreographed is clearing and man-up; we are among the worst in the country in these areas (clearing at .780 and man-up at .262). These areas' results reflect scheme not talent. Looking at 3Q results which should reflect coaching adjustments made at halftime, we have scored 21 goals and given up 42: our worst quarter This team is admittedly at a talent disadvantage to the top of the PL (Army, Loyola, BU) and Syracuse, all fully funded programs. I think we are in the ballpark with Lafayette, PC, Bucknell, Dartmouth, Merrimack, Colgate etc.. I think we have more talent than Mercer and UML. If I was handicapping our schedule preseason I would have had the most competitive games being against: PC, Merrimack, Dartmouth, Lafayette, Bucknell, and Lehigh. I would have predicted between 1 and 3 wins against these teams with games being mostly 1 or 2 goals margins. We lost all 6. We lost by a combined 38 goals (6.3 per games) - blowouts. Losing to these teams by 1 or 2 might accurately reflect talent disparities. Getting blown out is coaching IMO.
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Post by coneyislanddogs on Apr 25, 2023 13:56:18 GMT -5
I used to get an online crusader athletics magazine twice a year and it would publish the amount raised by the Crusader Athletic Fund per sport. Men’s Lax was always top 3 in alumni and parent support. Maybe that has changed the in the last couple of years with all the turnover but the lax alum have always given back to the program. Time for the school to pony up some more scholarships and stop acting like our financial condition is a step away from St Michael’s. Agreed. Not too long ago we used to shovel the turf, pay for own equipment or use high school gear, did a same day trip to navy to save $, and change in the hallway in Hart. D1 sport. The school can’t expect donors with that experience to show up in droves without more skin in the game itself. I understand facilities and resources are better now, but important aspects of funding a successful program still far behind.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 25, 2023 17:26:19 GMT -5
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Post by WheelerOnly on Apr 25, 2023 17:55:08 GMT -5
And would the converse also be true … that anyone would have struggles on their man-up unit if they had lesser talent compared to their opponents? To be clear, I am not trying to trash the players on this team. There is some talent and I respect the effort. They stuck it out through some very challenging times … Covid shortened season in 2020, canceled season after 6 games in 2021. Coaching changes and long periods of coaching uncertainty. They are true student athletes and should be commended. But the numbers are the numbers … the TOs (including clears) and the faceoffs especially, killed this team … and that’s a talent issue. I am not sure TOs are as unambiguously a 'talent issue" as you say. www.ncaa.com/stats/lacrosse-men/d1/current/team/559We are better than Dartmouth (who killed us), worse than UML (win) and about the same at Lehigh (big loss). You are using the wrong metric to judge talent. If you’re saying that the team with the fewest TOs isn’t necessary the most talented, I agree. There are lots of other important talents, e.g., facing off, goal keeping, etc. But note that the 9 of the 10 teams with the fewest TOs per game are in the to 20. None of the teams with the 10 most TOs are in the top 20. TO stats should not be viewed in a vacuum. I would say, for instance, that strength of schedule should be overlaid with TO stats. For example, Syracuse averages 12.6 TOs per game; against HC, they had 8 TOs. Assuming team A and team B have the same level of talent, I’d expect the team with the tougher schedule to have more TOs. Of the 10 teams with the fewest TOs per game, all have records above .500. Of the 10 teams with the most TOs per game, 5 have records better than .500. But note that those 5 teams that are better than .500 are all in the top 24 in terms of FO winning % - so, despite high TOs, they can still win games because they have extra possessions from FOs. Does that mean they are more talented than their opponents or just fortunate to have a good FOGO who can mask their deficiencies in other areas? HC can’t hide its deficiencies behind FOs. HC has the 8th worst FO % in D1. So we’re starting with fewer possessions than just about all of our opponents. Add on top of that the fact that HC’s TO avg is 4th worst in D1 and you have a recipe for lots of losses … HC has the ball a lot less than it’s opponents and when they get it, they turn it over more than their opponents. The 2 other teams that are bottom 10 in both TOs and FO% … you guessed it, St John’s (0 wins) and UMass Lowell (0 wins). So not only is HC at a huge disadvantage because of FOs, when HC gets the ball into our offensive end, 48% of our offensive possessions end in TOs. Compare to our opponents who’s offensive possessions end in TOs only 35% of the time. Very hard to win under those circumstances. Our victory over UMass Lowell was the only game all year where we win the FO battle and had fewer TOs than our opponent. Another consideration that comes to mind when I think about TOs as a reflection of talent is the type of TO. TOs from high risk/high reward playmaking are different than TOs from sloppy ball handling. If a team has lots of TOs because it feeds the crease aggressively, but it also has lots of doorstep goals because a high percentage of those feeds result in great looks, then those TOs are probably tolerable. But I don’t see that with HC this year. I see tons of TOs when they are working the ball around the perimeter and they throw it at someone’s feet or over their head or handcuff them. Those HC turnovers look like sloppy ball handling, talent-based TOs.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 26, 2023 2:53:39 GMT -5
I used to get an online crusader athletics magazine twice a year and it would publish the amount raised by the Crusader Athletic Fund per sport. Men’s Lax was always top 3 in alumni and parent support. Maybe that has changed the in the last couple of years with all the turnover but the lax alum have always given back to the program. Time for the school to pony up some more scholarships and stop acting like our financial condition is a step away from St Michael’s. The Endowment makes HC wealthy, but wealthy like a senior citizen with a million dollar house but only a social security check for current income. In HC's case tuition is equivalent to the social security check. The CAF is helpful but probably not enough to fund scholarships. The Holy Cross Fund and Endowment pay out are current income sources but they subsidize tuition to keep it as low (not very low) as it is. Kit has to shake the trees to get big checks.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 26, 2023 6:25:23 GMT -5
KH played lacrosse in college, so there is familiarity with the sport. In Kit's senior year, Bowdoin was ranked #3 in Division 3. In his junior year, Bowdoin was ranked #2.
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 26, 2023 7:45:58 GMT -5
Are you implying as Kit got more experience and matured, his team got worse?😂
For the record, putting aside his LAX background, I think he’s done a fine job as Athletics Director at Holy Cross.
Let’s see how the Athletics giving day(s) do this weekend. I’ve already made my early donations.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 26, 2023 8:13:37 GMT -5
I can't recall hearing what the two FBS games will pay HC this fall. Maybe combined they won't pay what the Brinks job we pulled at UConn paid, but still helpful.
I wonder if HC might make more from the Polar Park game if attendance is the same as at Fitton for that opponent with maybe an extra thousand attending because of the ballpark, because while they don't sell their own concessions and parking, they don’t have to pay staff to do so and the ticket prices are higher?
It would be quite the credit to Kit if he could somehow monetize or otherwise hsrness the FB team's success to help other sports like Lax. But it's still FCS so that might be hard to do.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 26, 2023 9:30:55 GMT -5
KH played lacrosse in college, so there is familiarity with the sport. In Kit's senior year, Bowdoin was ranked #3 in Division 3. In his junior year, Bowdoin was ranked #2. If it is any consolation, Ron Perry Sr was the AD at HC when I was there and we weren’t very good at hoops or baseball. (And he was pretty good at both sports 😀). Of course at other times in his tenure we were pretty good.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 26, 2023 12:26:09 GMT -5
Are you implying as Kit got more experience and matured, his team got worse?😂 For the record, putting aside his LAX background, I think he’s done a fine job as Athletics Director at Holy Cross. Let’s see how the Athletics giving day(s) do this weekend. I’ve already made my early donations. From Bowdoin's season stats of 20+ years ago, KH was not one of the top three midfielders in either year. Like his predecessor MB, KH recognizes that many of the Olympic sports are woefully underfunded at HC compared to PL peers, HC often is in the bottom quartile, so until that is remedied, ........... For men's lacrosse in 2021-22, HC spent $741,000. Boston U. and Loyola spent over $1.8 million, (as did Georgetown). Lehigh spent $1.7 million. Bucknell was the only other school that spent less than $1 million ($951,000). For women's lacrosse, HC spent $941,000. AU at $778,000, was the only school spending less. Max seems to be $1.5-$1.6 million, spent by BostonU and Loyola. Bucknell spent $1,173,000. HC would need to spend an additional $1.3 million on M/W lacrosse to get into the top half of PL M/W lacrosse programs.
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Post by WheelerOnly on Apr 26, 2023 14:43:23 GMT -5
Phreek, where can one find that expenditure info? Do you have a link that you can share?
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 26, 2023 15:06:51 GMT -5
Are you implying as Kit got more experience and matured, his team got worse?😂 For the record, putting aside his LAX background, I think he’s done a fine job as Athletics Director at Holy Cross. Let’s see how the Athletics giving day(s) do this weekend. I’ve already made my early donations. From Bowdoin's season stats of 20+ years ago, KH was not one of the top three midfielders in either year. Like his predecessor MB, KH recognizes that many of the Olympic sports are woefully underfunded at HC compared to PL peers, HC often is in the bottom quartile, so until that is remedied, ........... For men's lacrosse in 2021-22, HC spent $741,000. Boston U. and Loyola spent over $1.8 million, (as did Georgetown). Lehigh spent $1.7 million. Bucknell was the only other school that spent less than $1 million ($951,000). For women's lacrosse, HC spent $941,000. AU at $778,000, was the only school spending less. Max seems to be $1.5-$1.6 million, spent by BostonU and Loyola. Bucknell spent $1,173,000. HC would need to spend an additional $1.3 million on M/W lacrosse to get into the top half of PL M/W lacrosse programs. Georgetown is currently the 8th ranked team in the country.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 26, 2023 15:54:21 GMT -5
Phreek, where can one find that expenditure info? Do you have a link that you can share? There may be other sites, but to find one useful site that gives this info, google “equity in athletics cutting tool”.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 26, 2023 17:15:50 GMT -5
Phreek, where can one find that expenditure info? Do you have a link that you can share? ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/customdata/searchClick Patriot League from the list of conferences Query will be: 10 institutions found. Continue with all found? Next step will be 'select year and category. Select 2021. Scroll down to expenses, and to Select Sport Code Select lacrosse Download the Excel file. Georgetown will be included (because of the football affiliations). USMA and USNA are excluded from the database. (Fordham is the 10th institution, but doesn't play lacrosse.)
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Post by beachbound on Apr 26, 2023 20:03:20 GMT -5
I used to get an online crusader athletics magazine twice a year and it would publish the amount raised by the Crusader Athletic Fund per sport. Men’s Lax was always top 3 in alumni and parent support. Maybe that has changed the in the last couple of years with all the turnover but the lax alum have always given back to the program. Time for the school to pony up some more scholarships and stop acting like our financial condition is a step away from St Michael’s. The Endowment makes HC wealthy, but wealthy like a senior citizen with a million dollar house but only a social security check for current income. In HC's case tuition is equivalent to the social security check. The CAF is helpful but probably not enough to fund scholarships. The Holy Cross Fund and Endowment pay out are current income sources but they subsidize tuition to keep it as low (not very low) as it is. Kit has to shake the trees to get big checks. Sorry LS, you lost me when comparing HC tuition to a social security check.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 26, 2023 22:05:30 GMT -5
The Endowment makes HC wealthy, but wealthy like a senior citizen with a million dollar house but only a social security check for current income. In HC's case tuition is equivalent to the social security check. The CAF is helpful but probably not enough to fund scholarships. The Holy Cross Fund and Endowment pay out are current income sources but they subsidize tuition to keep it as low (not very low) as it is. Kit has to shake the trees to get big checks. Sorry LS, you lost me when comparing HC tuition to a social security check. I hear you. I just get puzzled as to where the money comes from for additional spending on athletics. I think the CAF is factored in by this time and at least tentatively that money is allocated before it even comes in. Extra tuition from the surprise large increase in freshmen this year is one source but that can't be counted on to repeat every year. Although maybe there will be four years of plenty from the class of '26.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 27, 2023 6:03:58 GMT -5
Sorry LS, you lost me when comparing HC tuition to a social security check. I hear you. I just get puzzled as to where the money comes from for additional spending on athletics. I think the CAF is factored in by this time and at least tentatively that money is allocated before it even comes in. Extra tuition from the surprise large increase in freshmen this year is one source but that can't be counted on to repeat every year. Although maybe there will be four years of plenty from the class of '26. The additional money comes from two sources: the annual distribution of endowment monies for the operation of the college, and tuition and fees of full-pays.
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Post by dadominate on Apr 27, 2023 6:07:12 GMT -5
reppert is a high school classmate and we played hoops together in middle school/the first few years of high school. despite some incredibly difficult blows in his personal life that have to be affecting his performance to some extent, if someone is to succeed at hc given the resources we have invested in the program, it is him. he is one of the most competitive people on earth, a smart guy, a leader, and is well-connected in the sport.
i have not followed our program much aside from the poor record, and can't comment on his x's and o's, but knowing who he is, his experience in the game, and the fact that he has been as deeply embedded in successful lacrosse programs across his life as possible, i just can't imagine him being the problem with our program.
this isn't just personal bias, as there were a few other great lacrosse players in our high school era who have gone on to coaching that i do not think would bring out the most of a school/program like holy cross. won't name those names, but reppert is the right combination for a school like hc. haven't been in contact with him in quite a few years, but i imagine the losing is eating him up and again, can't imagine that he would be holding the program back.
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