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Post by bfoley82 on May 2, 2023 11:58:14 GMT -5
For those who know the sport and Holy Cross, opinions on how much is on the coach versus institutional obstacles? Since women's Lax made the PL tournament and went 4-5 in conference, I'd focus on softball, baseball, volleyball, women's hockey, men's hockey before canning Ms. B. Softball coach just finished her SECOND season...Mrs. B has already been the head coach for eight seasons.
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Post by longsuffering on May 2, 2023 17:09:10 GMT -5
Since women's Lax made the PL tournament and went 4-5 in conference, I'd focus on softball, baseball, volleyball, women's hockey, men's hockey before canning Ms. B. Softball coach just finished her SECOND season...Mrs. B has already been the head coach for eight seasons. What do you have against her? Conference records of other women’s teams: Volleyball 1-15, Tennis 0-5, indoor track PL meet 6th of ten, Swimming PL meet 9th of 10, softball 2-16, soccer 2-6-1, ice hockey 6-21-0, golf 6th of 6 PL championship, field hockey 2-4, cross country 7th of ten PL meet, basketball 13-5. Lax is the second best women's team at 4-5 within the conference which filters out D-3 opponents and power conference opponents. Rowing and outdoor track haven't had their conference meets yet. Women's hockey gets some sympathy because their conference is basically a power conference. I hope Kit doesn't throw away eight years of experience learning how to navigate D-1 Lacrosse on a shoe string budget.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 2, 2023 18:27:14 GMT -5
Softball coach just finished her SECOND season...Mrs. B has already been the head coach for eight seasons. What do you have against her? Conference records of other women’s teams: Volleyball 1-15, Tennis 0-5, indoor track PL meet 6th of ten, Swimming PL meet 9th of 10, softball 2-16, soccer 2-6-1, ice hockey 6-21-0, golf 6th of 6 PL championship, field hockey 2-4, cross country 7th of ten PL meet, basketball 13-5. Lax is the second best women's team at 4-5 within the conference which filters out D-3 opponents and power conference opponents. Rowing and outdoor track haven't had their conference meets yet. Women's hockey gets some sympathy because their conference is basically a power conference. I hope Kit doesn't throw away eight years of experience learning how to navigate D-1 Lacrosse on a shoe string budget. I assume the record book on the HC site was updated this year. She entered the year with a 33-65 career record (.337 winning percentage) and a 15-34 record (.306 winning percentage) in PL. They went 7-11 (.389 winning percentage) and 4-5 in PL play (.444 winning percentage). It isn't really getting better as the previous coach had a 104-128 record (.448 winning percentage) and 44-37 in PL play. (.543 percentage). Are they better with AB? I don't think so
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Post by crusader99 on May 2, 2023 19:55:12 GMT -5
Based solely on performance measures, their is no question a change is required.
Do the math. 40 overall Ws in 8 years. 19 PL Ws in that same period. Would any other coach survive winning 2+ PL league games on average over almost a decade….Not a single full season with winning record. Not one over her entire career. Is that a failure?
If the school cares about performance and results, a change is needed. IMO.
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Post by purplehaze on May 4, 2023 16:39:59 GMT -5
The disparity in the PL is ridiculous- Lehigh beat us 20-8 in the qtrs and proceeded to lose to Loyola today in the semis 19-3
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Post by bfoley82 on May 4, 2023 21:35:04 GMT -5
The disparity in the PL is ridiculous- Lehigh beat us 20-8 in the qtrs and proceeded to lose to Loyola today in the semis 19-3 And Loyola could have won that game by even more if they wanted to...
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 4, 2023 21:54:15 GMT -5
Loyola has a stacked deck regarding their financial aid packages to recruit athletes. Without football, baseball, softball, field hockey, ice hockey, men’s track and field, they concentrate on M/W Lax with full athletic scholarships and merit aid to fully fund their entire rosters.
The teams in the PL outside of the academies and BU are at a sizable disadvantage regarding recruiting high level athletes for the Women’s and Men’s programs.
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Post by purplehaze on May 5, 2023 9:26:26 GMT -5
AWP needed 4 OT periods to beat Navy 12-11 - two ranked teams play for the tourney bid on Saturday
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 5, 2023 9:27:31 GMT -5
Based solely on performance measures, their is no question a change is required. Do the math. 40 overall Ws in 8 years. 19 PL Ws in that same period. Would any other coach survive winning 2+ PL league games on average over almost a decade….Not a single full season with winning record. Not one over her entire career. Is that a failure? If the school cares about performance and results, a change is needed. IMO. If Amanda's last name was Jones rather than Belichick, FADNP wouldn't have even interviewed her.
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Post by hcpride on May 5, 2023 10:22:13 GMT -5
Loyola has a stacked deck regarding their financial aid packages to recruit athletes. Without football, baseball, softball, field hockey, ice hockey, men’s track and field, they concentrate on M/W Lax with full athletic scholarships and merit aid to fully fund their entire rosters. The teams in the PL outside of the academies and BU are at a sizable disadvantage regarding recruiting high level athletes for the Women’s and Men’s programs. There is something to be said regarding a streamlined varsity athletic program.
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Post by longsuffering on May 5, 2023 21:30:14 GMT -5
Loyola has a stacked deck regarding their financial aid packages to recruit athletes. Without football, baseball, softball, field hockey, ice hockey, men’s track and field, they concentrate on M/W Lax with full athletic scholarships and merit aid to fully fund their entire rosters. The teams in the PL outside of the academies and BU are at a sizable disadvantage regarding recruiting high level athletes for the Women’s and Men’s programs. There is something to be said regarding a streamlined varsity athletic program. Something like "several million in lost tuition?" W/L records are frustrating but a full slate of varsity sports is part of the HC business model. The hard part for me would be actually dumping a sport. Let's say the administration settles on a very minor sport, like tennis. In addition to the backlash from the players, families and alums of that sport, once numbers are crunched it may be discovered that HC is receiving well more in hard tuition dollars than it's paying in hard costs specifically for tennis that could be eliminated if the sport was dropped. It seems to me the big costs are in the major revenue sports where revenue is modest while scholarships, salaries, travel, etc. are large.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 5, 2023 22:42:25 GMT -5
I do not want HC to drop any of our current varsity sports, just strength them to provide a memorable experience for 700 plus athletes during their 4 years on Mt. St. James.
The other Patriot League teams such as Loyola, American, and Boston University should step up and provide an enhanced and enlarged number of sports not currently sponsored to strengthen the League.
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Post by longsuffering on May 6, 2023 11:45:02 GMT -5
I do not want HC to drop any of our current varsity sports, just strength them to provide a memorable experience for 700 plus athletes during their 4 years on Mt. St. James. The other Patriot League teams such as Loyola, American, and Boston University should step up and provide an enhanced and enlarged number of sports not currently sponsored to strengthen the League. BU appears to offer a robust club sports experience along with their concentrated number of varsity sports. It's a different approach than the League’s core members and I don't know of any adjustments they agreed to make when entering the PL. The PL was only "moderately selective" when admitting BU and Loyola?
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Post by hcpride on May 6, 2023 19:50:25 GMT -5
Jolie Creo (HC ‘22) scored 2 goals and 3 assists for Stony Brook as her team won 19-4 in the CAA Championship today. Which means she’ll get to play in the NCAA’s.
Jolie led us in scoring every year for each of her 4 years at Holy Cross.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 6, 2023 21:07:14 GMT -5
Julie Creo (HC ‘22) scored 2 goals and 3 assists for Stony Brook as her team won 19-4 in the CAA Championship today. Which means she’ll get to play in the NCAA’s. Julie and led us in scoring every year for each of her 4 years at Holy Cross. She is fifth on a good Stony Brook team with 38 points. (They have been better in past seasons)
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Post by purplehaze on May 6, 2023 21:07:38 GMT -5
Loyola secured the pL bid with a win over Army today
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Post by purplehaze on May 8, 2023 9:11:56 GMT -5
The PL gets 2 into the tourney as Army gets an at-large bid - not sure this has ever happened before
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Post by bfoley82 on May 8, 2023 17:20:48 GMT -5
The PL gets 2 into the tourney as Army gets an at-large bid - not sure this has ever happened before They got two teams in 2018 and 2019.
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Post by rgs318 on May 8, 2023 19:34:27 GMT -5
Yet some folks still refer to the PL league as a "one bid league."
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Post by bfoley82 on May 8, 2023 20:25:09 GMT -5
Yet some folks still refer to the PL league as a "one bid league." It is on the men's side this season and last year.
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Post by rgs318 on May 9, 2023 6:35:17 GMT -5
Js that a different league? I don't believe so.
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Post by HC92 on May 9, 2023 7:21:53 GMT -5
I do not want HC to drop any of our current varsity sports, just strength them to provide a memorable experience for 700 plus athletes during their 4 years on Mt. St. James. The other Patriot League teams such as Loyola, American, and Boston University should step up and provide an enhanced and enlarged number of sports not currently sponsored to strengthen the League. BU appears to offer a robust club sports experience along with their concentrated number of varsity sports. It's a different approach than the League’s core members and I don't know of any adjustments they agreed to make when entering the PL. The PL was only "moderately selective" when admitting BU and Loyola? BU does have robust club sports. I feel like I read that their figure skating team won the club national championship this year. HC played their very strong men’s club soccer team to a 0-0 tie at Nickerson Field a few weeks ago. Strengthening and marketing its club sports offerings is another thing HC could do to improve applications and yield. Lots of high school athletes out there who would like to keep competing.
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Post by timholycross on May 9, 2023 9:19:29 GMT -5
I do not want HC to drop any of our current varsity sports, just strength them to provide a memorable experience for 700 plus athletes during their 4 years on Mt. St. James. The other Patriot League teams such as Loyola, American, and Boston University should step up and provide an enhanced and enlarged number of sports not currently sponsored to strengthen the League. BU appears to offer a robust club sports experience along with their concentrated number of varsity sports. It's a different approach than the League’s core members and I don't know of any adjustments they agreed to make when entering the PL. The PL was only "moderately selective" when admitting BU and Loyola? You approach things differently when you have 16K undergraduates, plus it wouldn't surprise me if grad students aren't on some of those teams as well.
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Post by hcpride on May 13, 2023 12:12:11 GMT -5
Jolie Creo (HC ‘22) scored 2 goals and 3 assists for Stony Brook as her team won 19-4 in the CAA Championship today. Which means she’ll get to play in the NCAA’s. Jolie led us in scoring every year for each of her 4 years at Holy Cross. She is fifth on a good Stony Brook team with 38 points. (They have been better in past seasons) Jolie (0 goals, 1 assist) and her new team (Stony Brook) won 12-8 yesterday so they play Loyola at 2 on Sunday. A team she knows well. Should be a close one - this is not one of Stony Brook’s loaded teams.
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Post by purplehaze on May 13, 2023 12:31:05 GMT -5
To throw in a men’s tidbit - Chris Conlon ‘22 has had a good grad year as a starter for ND Lax - they’ve been ranked No.1 for much of the season - defensive specialist
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