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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 3, 2023 9:55:40 GMT -5
Wow--$1,000,000,000 seems like an awfully high number to me It does to me too. This may have included all the new construction since 2005, but even with that, $1 billion was way high, .... 1.) The estimate for reconstructing the Easy St dorms, probably including Brooks (nee Mulledy) plus new dorms for swing space and probably reducing bed density in the Easy St dorms was $325 million, I am quoting a former chair of the BoT, circa 2020-21, if memory serves. 2.) Additional academic buildings 3.) Renovated / new athletic facilities, e.g., rink, $20 million for new athletic fields on Top of the Hill; replacing Fitton. Plus,
4.) the estimate was for facility spending between 2021 and 2043. Which could mean a significant increase in enrollment post 2030. the College continues, as recently as January, to buy properties not contiguous to HC property that is already outside the campus fence, e.g., on Clay, Kendig, College, and Boyden.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 5, 2023 16:11:28 GMT -5
Based on the declared construction value in building permits, the cost of the new Jesuit residence is $7+ million. This does not include architect fees, excavation costs (no fee-applicable permit needed), and the purchase cost of the land. This is an 8,000 square foot building, so the math per square foot is straightforward. ------------------------
Getting back to the $1 billion estimate,
Cost of converting Alumni, Carlin, and Wheeler to another use.
Cost of renovating Loyola, which is nearly 60 years old. I daresay the new Jesuit residence is probably costing more than Loyola did in 1963-64.
Cost of new residence halls to replace Alumni, Carlin, and Wheeler.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 31, 2023 8:44:11 GMT -5
Ciampi is being designated as a "well being" community residence hall. Students have requested such a community. Housing is open to all classes. Doubles with private bath. 60-70 beds. Main floor access to all students. Meditation room on main floor. << May be the Jesuit chapel, which I guess will be deconsecrated. Unlike Hogan 4, which is a substance free floor, Ciampi will allow students to imbibe and partake in moderation.
The definition of "well being" articulated on the Hill is rather amorphous. So to the CDC for a better definition:
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 3, 2023 10:06:01 GMT -5
Ciampi is being designated as a "well being" community residence hall. Students have requested such a community. Housing is open to all classes. Doubles with private bath. 60-70 beds. Main floor access to all students. Meditation room on main floor. << May be the Jesuit chapel, which I guess will be deconsecrated. Unlike Hogan 4, which is a substance free floor, Ciampi will allow students to imbibe and partake in moderation. The definition of "well being" articulated on the Hill is rather amorphous. So to the CDC for a better definition: Toss another hundred on the tuition bill for every student. Or does HC charge more for well-being accomodations than for a quad?
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Post by Tom on Apr 4, 2023 15:13:14 GMT -5
Ciampi is being designated as a "well being" community residence hall. Students have requested such a community. Housing is open to all classes. Doubles with private bath. 60-70 beds. Main floor access to all students. Meditation room on main floor. << May be the Jesuit chapel, which I guess will be deconsecrated. Unlike Hogan 4, which is a substance free floor, Ciampi will allow students to imbibe and partake in moderation. The definition of "well being" articulated on the Hill is rather amorphous. So to the CDC for a better definition: So. . . If you're having a bad day and feeling kind of down, do you have to sleep on the floor of a buddy in another dorm. A living pace with an absence of negative emotions sounds like an awesome place to live
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 4, 2023 6:59:46 GMT -5
As I am uploading images this morning, here is a typical floorplan for an eight bed apartment in the 'townhouses' showing ground floor on the left, second floor in the middle, third floor on the right.
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Post by sader1970 on May 4, 2023 8:12:09 GMT -5
Attaboy, Phreek, I knew you could find those floor plans. So, sleeping quarters on floors 2&3 with baths. Kitchen & living room for all 8 students on first floor.
Question: 2 posts up from the floor plan there is a mention of "Unlike Hogan 4, which is a substance free floor,. . . . " Are students living in Hogan?!! That'd be news to me.
Townhouses? Sweet! (or "Suite?")
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 4, 2023 8:28:11 GMT -5
Attaboy, Phreek, I knew you could find those floor plans. So, sleeping quarters on floors 2&3 with baths. Kitchen & living room for all 8 students on first floor. Question: 2 posts up from the floor plan there is a mention of "Unlike Hogan 4, which is a substance free floor,. . . . " Are students living in Hogan?!! That'd be news to me. Townhouses? Sweet! (or "Suite?") My bad. I meant Loyola 4. The official new title for Ciampi is the "Wellbeing Living Learning Community at Ciampi Hall" Some might think the townhouses to be Sweet if HC allows coed domiciling in the same apartment!! (N.B., I have NO info one way or the other. And AFAIK, HC does not prohibit coed domiciling in off-campus housing.)
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Post by Tom on May 4, 2023 8:54:57 GMT -5
The official new title for Ciampi is the "Wellbeing Living Learning Community at Ciampi Hall" I will wager $1 that no student will use the new name, but will just call it Ciampi
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 4, 2023 13:08:12 GMT -5
Or “The WLLCC”.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 3, 2023 8:18:26 GMT -5
From the webcam this AM, they are landscaping around the new Jesuit residence. Looks to be a screen of tall arborvitae on the east side facing Hart/Luth. Perhaps the schedule is to move the Jesuits in by month's end, which would give contractors six weeks or so to modify Ciampi before the students move in. And its possible that further modifications might be scheduled for the summer of 2024. (No permits yet issued for Ciampi renovations.)
The building permits issued for the new residence total about $7 million. These do not cover all construction related costs; e.g., excavation, landscaping. Additionally, there are architect and engineering fees, plus land acquisition costs. Safe to say the new residence is costing at least $8 million. ---------------- Last year's drought and heat killed or stunted 5-10 newly planted trees between The Jo and Hogan. Tree watering bags were installed around August or so, but it was too late for these trees. The arboretum status of the College may be at risk!
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 3, 2023 13:53:00 GMT -5
Crucis and I were at the HCAA Board meeting. Vince and "new guy," Sean Scanlon (successor to Traci Barlok), VP of Advancement were in attendance and spoke.
First, this will be the last 2 weekend Reunion weekends. Next year, back to one Reunion weekend for all. I put my pitch in for Purple Knights being assigned the new Townhouses which for some reason generated laughs among the youngsters on the Board.
Second, put Vince's feet to the fire to confirm the plans are for another dorm between Figge and PPAC. The answer is yes but after they get the needed money. He also confirmed Ciampi will be an additional dorm and I did not press him on when as I was already told by the construction foreman that the Townhouses and new Jesuit residence will be ready by July, so I agree that with Phreek the Jesuits will be moving soon in order to make the needed Ciampi conversion. Easy Street dorms beyond renovation quality and will have to be razed but not sure when. A little fuzzy to me but Vince mentioned the possibility of a dorm extending to the side of Hogan (towards or connected to whatever replaces/rebuild of Healy)
As for the tidal wave of freshmen class this year, they think it will work itself out between Townhouse/Ciampi/students studying abroad/higher number of transfers (not extraordinary, but on the high side due to Covid and the overcrowding this year).
Believe already reported here from other sources: 21% accepted and 46% yield for incoming class. Our competitors now are Colgate, Middlebury and Wellsley (keep me honest, Crucis)
Agreement with WPI for 5 year engineering program (4 years HC, 1 year WPI) and agreement with Clark that our education minors could go into their Masters in Education program.
Faculty getting antsy on the larger classes and workload and pressure to add more faculty. Vince sounded more than sympathetic. This was an issue I spoke /questioned him about months ago and was told then to wait until we had a new provost, which we do now.
Request for us to push alumni attendance at the "ASPIRE" road show (not to be confused with the Coaches Road show).
Remaining:
July 26 Hartford Aug 9 Albany Aug 17 Minneapolis Sept 27 D.C. Oct 26 New Jersey Nov 13-19 L.A. & S.F Dec 12 Philly
That's it for now.
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Post by Tom on Jun 3, 2023 15:17:40 GMT -5
Agreement with WPI for 5 year engineering program (4 years HC, 1 year WPI) and agreement with Clark that our education minors could go into their Masters in Education program. Without hearing the talk, I would assume it's 3 at HC and 2 at WPI. That's the way it worked when HC did the program with Columbia, I don't know if that Columbia is still active Also it was 3-2 back in the 20th century when HC ran the program with WPI. I'm glad to see that program being re-instituted.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 3, 2023 15:29:24 GMT -5
Very glad to see the program with WPI again. Makes so much more sense and that much more attractive.
If it is 4 and 1 perhaps with summer classes, it will result in a Bachelors from HC and Masters from WPI?
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Just did a quick check of the WPI Graduate Catalog and found this Although this description indicates you must be a WPI undergraduate to qualify for the 5 year BS/MS, maybe they have agreed to allow Holy Cross to participate as well.
Also, it appears that WPI offers a number of engineering Masters degrees that did not exist 40 years ago (Bionedical Engineering for example) and and other technical masters programs (eg. Applied Mathematics, Business Analytics, Cyber Security) so I am also curious if it is just for engineering programs or can it be applied to any masters program where an HC degree like Math or Biology makes a strong foundation for the masters degree?
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Post by Tom on Jun 3, 2023 16:44:40 GMT -5
The engineering programs that HC has run with WPI, Columbia, and Dartmouth got the student two separate Bachelors degrees
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Post by CHC8485 on Jun 3, 2023 17:57:15 GMT -5
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 3, 2023 17:58:51 GMT -5
Crucis and I were at the HCAA Board meeting. Vince and "new guy," Sean Scanlon (successor to Traci Barlok), VP of Advancement were in attendance and spoke. First, this will be the last 2 weekend Reunion weekends. Next year, back to one Reunion weekend for all. I put my pitch in for Purple Knights being assigned the new Townhouses which for some reason generated laughs among the youngsters on the Board. Second, put Vince's feet to the fire to confirm the plans are for another dorm between Figge and PPAC. The answer is yes but after they get the needed money. He also confirmed Ciampi will be an additional dorm and I did not press him on when as I was already told by the construction foreman that the Townhouses and new Jesuit residence will be ready by July, so I agree that with Phreek the Jesuits will be moving soon in order to make the needed Ciampi conversion. Easy Street dorms beyond renovation quality and will have to be razed but not sure when. A little fuzzy to me but Vince mentioned the possibility of a dorm extending to the side of Hogan (towards or connected to whatever replaces/rebuild of Healy) As for the tidal wave of freshmen class this year, they think it will work itself out between Townhouse/Ciampi/students studying abroad/higher number of transfers (not extraordinary, but on the high side due to Covid and the overcrowding this year). Believe already reported here from other sources: 21% accepted and 46% yield for incoming class. Our competitors now are Colgate, Middlebury and Wellsley (keep me honest, Crucis) Wesleyan is the third school. 8600 Applications with a projected class size of 815 - 820 with a overall student population of 3150.Agreement with WPI for 5 year engineering program (4 years HC, 1 year WPI) and agreement with Clark that our education minors could go into their Masters in Education program. Correct, the new programs are a 4-1 HC-WPI. A Master’s in Engineering and a Master’s in Chemical Engineering. There will also be a 4-1 Master’s in Education program in cooperation with Clark University.
There will also be additional concentrations and majors added to the curriculum.Faculty getting antsy on the larger classes and workload and pressure to add more faculty. Vince sounded more than sympathetic. This was an issue I spoke /questioned him about months ago and was told then to wait until we had a new provost, which we do now. Request for us to push alumni attendance at the "ASPIRE" road show (not to be confused with the Coaches Road show). Remaining: July 26 Hartford Aug 9 Albany Aug 17 Minneapolis Sept 27 D.C. Oct 26 New Jersey Nov 13-19 L.A. & S.F
Dec 12 Philly That's it for now.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 3, 2023 18:06:23 GMT -5
Definitely 4-1 for both WPI and Clark programs.
I appreciate Crucis correction on the third competitor school. I couldn’t read my scribbled note and why I solicited his assistance. 😊
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 3, 2023 18:13:00 GMT -5
P.S. while Crucis is correct about the WPI chemical engineering, I believe Vince mentioned another type of engineering degree as well and that “chemical engineering” was more of an example rather than the only type.
Whatever. I’m not going back to school.🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 3, 2023 18:20:12 GMT -5
Vince stated a “Master’s in Engineering”. Where is Warner Wolf when we need him …”Let’s go to the Video Tape”. 😂
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 3, 2023 18:39:49 GMT -5
Crucis and I were at the HCAA Board meeting. Vince and "new guy," Sean Scanlon (successor to Traci Barlok), VP of Advancement were in attendance and spoke. First, this will be the last 2 weekend Reunion weekends. Next year, back to one Reunion weekend for all. I put my pitch in for Purple Knights being assigned the new Townhouses which for some reason generated laughs among the youngsters on the Board. Second, put Vince's feet to the fire to confirm the plans are for another dorm between Figge and PPAC. The answer is yes but after they get the needed money. He also confirmed Ciampi will be an additional dorm and I did not press him on when as I was already told by the construction foreman that the Townhouses and new Jesuit residence will be ready by July, so I agree that with Phreek the Jesuits will be moving soon in order to make the needed Ciampi conversion. Easy Street dorms beyond renovation quality and will have to be razed but not sure when. A little fuzzy to me but Vince mentioned the possibility of a dorm extending to the side of Hogan (towards or connected to whatever replaces/rebuild of Healy) The Hogan-related location mentioned would be where Healy is. But to demolish Healy, they would first have to build the new swing space residence hall, because Healy has around 200 beds.As for the tidal wave of freshmen class this year, they think it will work itself out between Townhouse/Ciampi/students studying abroad/higher number of transfers (not extraordinary, but on the high side due to Covid and the overcrowding this year). Believe already reported here from other sources: 21% accepted and 46% yield for incoming class. Our competitors now are Colgate, Middlebury and Wellesley (keep me honest, Crucis) A 46 percent yield means an entering class of 836. (70 or so fewer than class of 2026.)
Colgate had 21,000+ applicants, Middlebury 13,000+, Wellesley 8409. Colgate's acceptance rate was 12 percent . Wellesley 13 percent. Middlebury 5.5 percent (<third party source). So yes, HC's 21 percent was a marked improvement, but the overall # of applications still trails nearly every other LAC in the Northeast. HC may always lag the other LACs given its Catholic identity.. Fairlead, which is not a LAC, had over 15,000 applicants.Agreement with WPI for 5 year engineering program (4 years HC, 1 year WPI) and agreement with Clark that our education minors could go into their Masters in Education program. To my knowledge, Holy Cross does not currently offer an Education major.Faculty getting antsy on the larger classes and workload and pressure to add more faculty. Vince sounded more than sympathetic. This was an issue I spoke /questioned him about months ago and was told then to wait until we had a new provost, which we do now. Request for us to push alumni attendance at the "ASPIRE" road show (not to be confused with the Coaches Road show). Remaining: July 26 Hartford Aug 9 Albany Aug 17 Minneapolis Sept 27 D.C. Oct 26 New Jersey Nov 13-19 L.A. & S.F
Dec 12 Philly By the Aspire road show to date, is this VR visiting alumni clubs, e.g., Naples FL? I have not received any notice of 'road shows' per se in Boston, New York, Chicago, Palm Beach etc. That's it for now. Wesleyan had 14,500 applicants, and a 16 percent admit rate.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 3, 2023 18:55:49 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 3, 2023 19:20:18 GMT -5
Crucis and I were at the HCAA Board meeting. Vince and "new guy," Sean Scanlon (successor to Traci Barlok), VP of Advancement were in attendance and spoke. First, this will be the last 2 weekend Reunion weekends. Next year, back to one Reunion weekend for all. I put my pitch in for Purple Knights being assigned the new Townhouses which for some reason generated laughs among the youngsters on the Board. Second, put Vince's feet to the fire to confirm the plans are for another dorm between Figge and PPAC. The answer is yes but after they get the needed money. He also confirmed Ciampi will be an additional dorm and I did not press him on when as I was already told by the construction foreman that the Townhouses and new Jesuit residence will be ready by July, so I agree that with Phreek the Jesuits will be moving soon in order to make the needed Ciampi conversion. Easy Street dorms beyond renovation quality and will have to be razed but not sure when. A little fuzzy to me but Vince mentioned the possibility of a dorm extending to the side of Hogan (towards or connected to whatever replaces/rebuild of Healy) The Hogan-related location mentioned would be where Healy is. But to demolish Healy, they would first have to build the new swing space residence hall, because Healy has around 200 beds. I think we are kind of saying the same thing in different words. Remember, all this is what they would LIKE to do but doing none of this besides the Townhouses and Ciampi conversion UNTIL THEY GET MORE MONEY. All of these things, including razing the Easy Street dorms, are "want to do" stuff. Same with the Figge/PPAC dorm. I believe he said or implied that that one would be the swing dorm. In fairness, that might be a carry-over in my mind from what Michele Murray said at the last meeting. As for the tidal wave of freshmen class this year, they think it will work itself out between Townhouse/Ciampi/students studying abroad/higher number of transfers (not extraordinary, but on the high side due to Covid and the overcrowding this year). Believe already reported here from other sources: 21% accepted and 46% yield for incoming class. Our competitors now are Colgate, Middlebury and Wellesley (keep me honest, Crucis) A 46 percent yield means an entering class of 836. (70 or so fewer than class of 2026.) My note has specifically "815" and not a range. Debate that if you will or play with numbers. He said "815" of that I am 100% sure. Colgate had 21,000+ applicants, Middlebury 13,000+, Wellesley 8409. Colgate's acceptance rate was 12 percent . Wellesley 13 percent. Middlebury 5.5 percent (<third party source). So yes, HC's 21 percent was a marked improvement, but the overall # of applications still trails nearly every other LAC in the Northeast. HC may always lag the other LACs given its Catholic identity.. Fairlead, which is not a LAC, had over 15,000 applicants. Vince did NOT elaborate what the basis was with these comparative schools but he definitely did NOT say that it was based on total applications or acceptances but left the impression with me that it might be yield. Again, no one questioned him to more clearly define his meaning. You can do that on one of the road shows.
Agreement with WPI for 5 year engineering program (4 years HC, 1 year WPI) and agreement with Clark that our education minors could go into their Masters in Education program. To my knowledge, Holy Cross does not currently offer an Education major. It does NOT. He specifically said that we only offer a minor in education and that Clark would accept that. Faculty getting antsy on the larger classes and workload and pressure to add more faculty. Vince sounded more than sympathetic. This was an issue I spoke /questioned him about months ago and was told then to wait until we had a new provost, which we do now. Request for us to push alumni attendance at the "ASPIRE" road show (not to be confused with the Coaches Road show). Remaining: July 26 Hartford Aug 9 Albany Aug 17 Minneapolis Sept 27 D.C. Oct 26 New Jersey Nov 13-19 L.A. & S.F
Dec 12 Philly By the Aspire road show to date, is this VR visiting alumni clubs, e.g., Naples FL? I have not received any notice of 'road shows' per se in Boston, New York, Chicago, Palm Beach etc.
That's it for now. Wesleyan had 14,500 applicants, and a 16 percent admit rate.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 3, 2023 20:55:44 GMT -5
Believe already reported here from other sources: 21% accepted and 46% yield for incoming class. Our competitors now are Colgate, Middlebury and Wellesley (keep me honest, Crucis) A 46 percent yield means an entering class of 836. (70 or so fewer than class of 2026.)
Colgate had 21,000+ applicants, Middlebury 13,000+, Wellesley 8409. Colgate's acceptance rate was 12 percent . Wellesley 13 percent. Middlebury 5.5 percent (<third party source). So yes, HC's 21 percent was a marked improvement, but the overall # of applications still trails nearly every other LAC in the Northeast. HC may always lag the other LACs given its Catholic identity.. Fairlead, which is not a LAC, had over 15,000 applicants.[/ Wesleyan had 14,500 applicants, and a 16 percent admit rate. In what sense are Wellesley, Middlebury and Colgate competitor schools? Do we compete for the same students? Does he mean USNWR rankings competitors? Certain Stats? Athletically? Prestige?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 4, 2023 6:41:21 GMT -5
Wesleyan had 14,500 applicants, and a 16 percent admit rate. In what sense are Wellesley, Middlebury and Colgate competitor schools? Do we compete for the same students? Does he mean USNWR rankings competitors? Certain Stats? Athletically? Prestige? For the purposes of admissions, VR is comparing national LACs. He has also chosen to not compare HC with single sex LACs, e.g., Wellesley. Of the four LACs in the PL (excluding USMA and USNA), HC is last in the number of applications. He early on expressed great interest in how Colby branded and marketed itself. Colby had 17,000+ applications. Single-sex Smith had nearly 10,000 applications. Bates, which I view as being in the boonies, had 8,900+ applications. Of the national, coed LACs, HC is the one closest to Boston, but it has yet to benefit from the magnetic pull of Boston. Northeastern 96,000+ applications Boston University 80,000+ Harvard 57,000 Boston College 36,500 (the second highest of any Catholic institution. Fordham is #1 with about 45,000) Tufts 34,000+ MIT 27,000 Emerson 12,000 (For the class of 2026) Brandeis about 9,800. (For the class of 2026, 39 percent acceptance rate, yield of 25 percent)
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