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Post by hcpride on Jun 4, 2023 7:06:42 GMT -5
In what sense are Wellesley, Middlebury and Colgate competitor schools? Do we compete for the same students? Does he mean USNWR rankings competitors? Certain Stats? Athletically? Prestige? For the purposes of admissions, VR is comparing national LACs. He has also chosen to mot compare HC with single sex LACs, e.g., Wellesley. Of the four LACs in the PL (excluding USMA and USNA), HC is last in the number of applications. He early on expressed great interest in how Colby branded and marketed itself. Colby had 17,000+ applications. Single-sex Smith had nearly 10,000 applications. Bates, which I view as being in the boonies, had 8,900+ applications. Of the national, coed LACs, HC is the one closest to Boston, but it has yet to benefit from the magnetic pull of Boston. Northeastern 96,000+ applications Boston University 80,000+ Harvard 57,000 Boston College 36,500 (the highest of any Catholic institution) Tufts 34,000+ MIT 27,000 Emerson 12,000 (For the class of 2026) Brandeis about 9,800. (For the class of 2026, 39 percent acceptance rate, yield of 25 percent) Ahhhh. Got it. Number of applicants (which does influence all sorts of other stats).
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 4, 2023 8:33:54 GMT -5
With respect to HC having a high yield rate -- about 45 percent -- and using yield percentage as a metric for comparative competitiveness.
For the HC class of 2026, 903 enrolled. Of the 903, 407 enrolled under Early Decision. (503 applied ED, so the ED yield was about 80 percent. At 80 percent, the yield rate approaches that of Harvard and MIT for their entire class.) If one removes the ED cohort from the yield, the yield drops to under 25 percent for the 2,050 or so who were accepted regular admission.
(If HC has 150 recruited athletes who are admitted ED, that's 37.5 percent of the ED enrollees.)
College selectivity is measured by the number of applicants, and the number accepted. Not by the yield on the number accepted. The reason for that is to avoid the distorting effects of differing yield percentages for sub-components of the accepted cohort.
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Post by matunuck on Jun 4, 2023 9:00:53 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 4, 2023 9:10:27 GMT -5
Phreek- regarding early decision is “yield” an appropriate term? Aren’t ED applicants saying that they will enroll if accepted? Isn’t the yield 100% of those accepted via ED? What might be interesting to see in comparing colleges is what percentage of the total number of applicants applied via early decision.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 4, 2023 10:00:39 GMT -5
With respect to HC having a high yield rate -- about 45 percent -- and using yield percentage as a metric for comparative competitiveness. For the HC class of 2026, 903 enrolled. Of the 903, 407 enrolled under Early Decision. (503 applied ED, so the ED yield was about 80 percent. At 80 percent, the yield rate approaches that of Harvard and MIT for their entire class.) If one removes the ED cohort from the yield, the yield drops to under 25 percent for the 2,050 or so who were accepted regular admission. (If HC has 150 recruited athletes who are admitted ED, that's 37.5 percent of the ED enrollees.) College selectivity is measured by the number of applicants, and the number accepted. Not by the yield on the number accepted. The reason for that is to avoid the distorting effects of differing yield percentages for sub-components of the accepted cohort. Between a high ED (I and II) percentage in the admitted pool and selecting for ‘demonstrated interest’ for the RD portion of the admitted pool, one can see a high-ish yield (to the extent that stat even matters beyond internal planning purposes) resulting. Your final point regarding distorting effects raises another issue. When a school picks half (for example) its projected class via ED…it need now only select for one half a class via RD. Which means, in some case, a substantial reduction in the number of students it accepts. Really distorting the acceptance rate. As well as yield. (On a different angle and as KYCrusader 75 notes, ED “yield” is essentially 100% - you pick ‘em, they’re coming. You may have meant a different stat. )
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 4, 2023 12:10:11 GMT -5
Boy, could have fooled me. It sounded like things were getting better for HC regarding incoming students and was getting higher quality applicants than in the past. Heck, maybe I could still have gotten into HC today!
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Post by hcpride on Jun 4, 2023 14:07:14 GMT -5
Boy, could have fooled me. It sounded like things were getting better for HC regarding incoming students and was getting higher quality applicants than in the past. Heck, maybe I could still have gotten into HC today! Well, we know we had more applicants this year (v last year) and we know we selected a much lower percentage (v last year) of applicants to fill the incoming class.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 4, 2023 14:46:49 GMT -5
Vince did mention that they tweaked (my word) the admissions algorithm so as not to have the same surge as last year. Apparently, they are getting the number of freshmen that they were targeting.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 4, 2023 15:59:10 GMT -5
With respect to HC having a high yield rate -- about 45 percent -- and using yield percentage as a metric for comparative competitiveness. For the HC class of 2026, 903 enrolled. Of the 903, 407 enrolled under Early Decision. (503 applied ED, so the ED yield was about 80 percent. At 80 percent, the yield rate approaches that of Harvard and MIT for their entire class.) If one removes the ED cohort from the yield, the yield drops to under 25 percent for the 2,050 or so who were accepted regular admission. (If HC has 150 recruited athletes who are admitted ED, that's 37.5 percent of the ED enrollees.) College selectivity is measured by the number of applicants, and the number accepted. Not by the yield on the number accepted. The reason for that is to avoid the distorting effects of differing yield percentages for sub-components of the accepted cohort. Between a high ED (I and II) percentage in the admitted pool and selecting for ‘demonstrated interest’ for the RD portion of the admitted pool, one can see a high-ish yield (to the extent that stat even matters beyond internal planning purposes) resulting. Your final point regarding distorting effects raises another issue. When a school picks half (for example) its projected class via ED…it need now only select for one half a class via RD. Which means, in some case, a substantial reduction in the number of students it accepts. Really distorting the acceptance rate. As well as yield. (On a different angle and as KYCrusader 75 notes, ED “yield” is essentially 100% - you pick ‘em, they’re coming. You may have meant a different stat. ) I will characterize yield percentage for ED as number of ED applicants accepted / number of ED applicants. That is how I calculated my 80 percent yield for the ED applicants (400/500 = 80 percent) What the CDS does not reveal is how many of the passed over ED applicants reverted to the regular application pool, and were subsequently accepted, and enrolled. I suspect it is a low / very low percentage, given HC'a very high acceptance rate on ED applicants.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 4, 2023 19:45:26 GMT -5
Between a high ED (I and II) percentage in the admitted pool and selecting for ‘demonstrated interest’ for the RD portion of the admitted pool, one can see a high-ish yield (to the extent that stat even matters beyond internal planning purposes) resulting. Your final point regarding distorting effects raises another issue. When a school picks half (for example) its projected class via ED…it need now only select for one half a class via RD. Which means, in some case, a substantial reduction in the number of students it accepts. Really distorting the acceptance rate. As well as yield. (On a different angle and as KYCrusader 75 notes, ED “yield” is essentially 100% - you pick ‘em, they’re coming. You may have meant a different stat. ) I will characterize yield percentage for ED as number of ED applicants accepted / number of ED applicants. That is how I calculated my 80 percent yield for the ED applicants (400/500 = 80 percent) What the CDS does not reveal is how many of the passed over ED applicants reverted to the regular application pool, and were subsequently accepted, and enrolled. I suspect it is a low / very low percentage, given HC'a very high acceptance rate on ED applicants. Isn't that the ED acceptance rate? (Some applicants/parents eyeball this ED acceptance rate when weighing their options.) In the context of admissions the "yield' statistic generally references the percentage of of accepted kids (ED and RD acceptances are both captured within the stat) who actually show up on campus. (It is important as an internal forecasting tool.)
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 4, 2023 20:31:26 GMT -5
Crucis and I were at the HCAA Board meeting. Vince and "new guy," Sean Scanlon (successor to Traci Barlok), VP of Advancement were in attendance and spoke. First, this will be the last 2 weekend Reunion weekends. Next year, back to one Reunion weekend for all. I put my pitch in for Purple Knights being assigned the new Townhouses which for some reason generated laughs among the youngsters on the Board. Second, put Vince's feet to the fire to confirm the plans are for another dorm between Figge and PPAC. The answer is yes but after they get the needed money. He also confirmed Ciampi will be an additional dorm and I did not press him on when as I was already told by the construction foreman that the Townhouses and new Jesuit residence will be ready by July, so I agree that with Phreek the Jesuits will be moving soon in order to make the needed Ciampi conversion. Easy Street dorms beyond renovation quality and will have to be razed but not sure when. A little fuzzy to me but Vince mentioned the possibility of a dorm extending to the side of Hogan (towards or connected to whatever replaces/rebuild of Healy) As for the tidal wave of freshmen class this year, they think it will work itself out between Townhouse/Ciampi/students studying abroad/higher number of transfers (not extraordinary, but on the high side due to Covid and the overcrowding this year). Believe already reported here from other sources: 21% accepted and 46% yield for incoming class. Our competitors now are Colgate, Middlebury and Wellsley (keep me honest, Crucis)Agreement with WPI for 5 year engineering program (4 years HC, 1 year WPI) and agreement with Clark that our education minors could go into their Masters in Education program. Faculty getting antsy on the larger classes and workload and pressure to add more faculty. Vince sounded more than sympathetic. This was an issue I spoke /questioned him about months ago and was told then to wait until we had a new provost, which we do now. Request for us to push alumni attendance at the "ASPIRE" road show (not to be confused with the Coaches Road show). Remaining: July 26 Hartford Aug 9 Albany Aug 17 Minneapolis Sept 27 D.C. Oct 26 New Jersey Nov 13-19 L.A. & S.F
Dec 12 Philly That's it for now. And here's where the title thread went off the rails. Proud to take credit for the diversion but think since I started the thread, I'm allowed.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 5, 2023 7:26:22 GMT -5
I will characterize yield percentage for ED as number of ED applicants accepted / number of ED applicants. That is how I calculated my 80 percent yield for the ED applicants (400/500 = 80 percent) What the CDS does not reveal is how many of the passed over ED applicants reverted to the regular application pool, and were subsequently accepted, and enrolled. I suspect it is a low / very low percentage, given HC'a very high acceptance rate on ED applicants. Isn't that the ED acceptance rate? (Some applicants/parents eyeball this ED acceptance rate when weighing their options.) In the context of admissions the "yield' statistic generally references the percentage of of accepted kids (ED and RD acceptances are both captured within the stat) who actually show up on campus. (It is important as an internal forecasting tool.) From my perspective, an ED applicant who is accepted is an applicant who enrolls. There is a 1:1 correlation. (Distinguishing from Early Action applicants who if 'accepted', need not enroll.} I have a sense, based on the anecdotal experience of a grandniece who recently applied ED to Duke. She was accepted. If she had not been accepted, she was applying post-haste to other schools for regular action. My sense was that she and her guidance counselors felt that the chances she would be subsequently accepted from the RA pool at Duke were low. HC appears to be anomalous in the high percentage of ED applicants who are accepted. From the CDS for Duke's class of 2025 , about 5,000 ED applicants, about 800+ accepted, less than 20 percent. Contrast to HC where the ED acceptance rate for the class of 2026 was 80 percent. At both Duke and HC, ED acceptances constituted about 45 percent of the entering class. For BC for the class of 2025, the ED acceptance rate was 40 percent, and ED acceptances constituted about half the entering class. HC's ED applicants were were about 7 percent of total applicants, BC's ED applicants were about 8 percent, and Dukes were about 10 percent.
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Post by Tom on Jun 5, 2023 7:51:09 GMT -5
. Correct, the new programs are a 4-1 HC-WPI. A Master’s in Engineering and a Master’s in Chemical Engineering. There will also be a 4-1 Master’s in Education program in cooperation with Clark University.
There will also be additional concentrations and majors added to the curriculum. I am going to assume that there are limited masters opportunities with this arrangement. I can see a Chemical Engineering masters in one year if you were a Chemistry undergrad, Not sure even a Physics major at HC would be able to pull off a Mechanical Engineering Masters in one year
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 5, 2023 10:41:30 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Jun 5, 2023 10:53:23 GMT -5
Courtesy of the consortium, your 4th course can be at another school in Worcester (unless that has changed). Reasonable to assume that a student would have to pay extra for that summer course at WPI
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 6, 2023 6:40:43 GMT -5
Crucis and I were at the HCAA Board meeting. Vince and "new guy," Sean Scanlon (successor to Traci Barlok), VP of Advancement were in attendance and spoke. ........ Second, put Vince's feet to the fire to confirm the plans are for another dorm between Figge and PPAC. The answer is yes but after they get the needed money. He also confirmed Ciampi will be an additional dorm and I did not press him on when as I was already told by the construction foreman that the Townhouses and new Jesuit residence will be ready by July, so I agree that with Phreek the Jesuits will be moving soon in order to make the needed Ciampi conversion. Easy Street dorms beyond renovation quality and will have to be razed but not sure when. A little fuzzy to me but Vince mentioned the possibility of a dorm extending to the side of Hogan (towards or connected to whatever replaces/rebuild of Healy) .......... Thankfully, we are not waking this morning learning that the U. S. government has defaulted on its debt. Not only for avoiding the big hit on the college's endowment value three weeks before the books close on the current fiscal year, but on the cost of borrowing as well. My perception is that Plan A was to have Madison Kendig LLC (who bought the land for the new Jesuit residence) finance and build a new residence hall near Polar Park which would have allowed the City View townhouses and Ciampi to be used as 'swing space'. The Polar Park residence hall would not need any HC financing. For whatever reason, Plan A is no longer on the table. HC apparently now finds itself in the position of having to bond for both the swing space and the reconstruction of the four oldest Easy St. dorms. My guess is that the cost for this is probably north of $175 million. This doesn't include Brooks. And without having the Sasaki campus master plan to review, no idea what the plans might be for Wheeler and Loyola. I think there is still the possibility of having a private development company finance and construct the replacement of the four oldest Easy St. dorms. The board money paid by the students would, in effect, go to the private development company for a period of 20-30 years. The one positive is that HC would not finance this, and significantly increase the amount of long-term debt.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 6, 2023 6:49:00 GMT -5
All that sounds pretty complicated. Reading between the lines, I got the distinct impression that Vince (and presumably the Board) are hoping for one or more "white knights" (purple Crusaders?) to come up with millions. I wonder if Sean Scanlon has some rich friends? But, yes, interesting the "master plan" (sounds like something out of Germany decades ago!) hasn't been made public yet and "Aspire" really is aspirational.
Eventually we'll find all this out as you can't run an Administration on dreams.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 6, 2023 9:08:19 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 10, 2023 7:36:32 GMT -5
Was taking a quick look at the webcams this rainy AM, as there may be a drainage issue where the land slopes down from the new townhouses to The Jo, and I do believe I spotted a Bekins moving truck headed to Ciampi.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 17, 2023 14:36:51 GMT -5
So, here's an update about the Jesuit residence and those houses that Phreek's satellites picked up on from an inside source (i.e. a Jesuit who works on campus):
There are 13 resident Jesuits. 10 of them have moved into the new, still unnamed, Jesuit residence. What about the other 13, you say? (like I did). Well, each of them will be moving into one of those "guest" houses each. As the anticipated Jesuit community shrinks one at a time, they will get rid of a house, one at a time, accordingly. Sounds like there was purposely no room at the inn at the new place. FWIW, my Jesuit friend liked my idea of naming it "Pedro Arrupe" and bringing his statue up from the middle campus. He also liked the Townhouses being named Pakachoag and Mt. St. James to be "colloquially known" (as it's said on the webcams for "The Jo") as "The Pak" and "The James," or if preferred, "The Jimmy."
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 18, 2023 16:33:01 GMT -5
Looking at The Jo webcam this morning, the erosion of the hillside between the easternmost townhouse and The Jo appears to be continuing. Perhaps the recently installed stonescape will grow in size toward the west.
And for the one or two arborists on Crossports, they finally replaced the four or so dead or stunted trees lining the Upper Campus Road. Their demise was a consequence of their not being watered during last year's drought.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 19, 2023 7:58:45 GMT -5
So, here's an update about the Jesuit residence and those houses that Phreek's satellites picked up on from an inside source (i.e. a Jesuit who works on campus): There are 13 resident Jesuits. 10 of them have moved into the new, still unnamed, Jesuit residence. What about the other 13, you say? (like I did). Well, each of them will be moving into one of those "guest" houses each. As the anticipated Jesuit community shrinks one at a time, they will get rid of a house, one at a time, accordingly. Sounds like there was purposely no room at the inn at the new place. FWIW, my Jesuit friend liked my idea of naming it "Pedro Arrupe" and bringing his statue up from the middle campus. He also liked the Townhouses being named Pakachoag and Mt. St. James to be "colloquially known" (as it's said on the webcams for "The Jo") as "The Pak" and "The James," or if preferred, "The Jimmy." Holy Cross has not updated the published list of members of the Jesuit community., who number 11. The list does not include Andrew Garavel S.J, who became Superior of the community last year. Assuming no one on that list has subsequently left, there is one unidentified Jesuit to bring the number to 13. Not all the Jesuits in the Holy Cross community are directly affiliated with the College, e.g., the Jesuit assigned to the Nativity School. There are two medical doctors among the eleven, which is likely the most of any Jesuit college or university without a medical school. -------------- Also I learned in researching the community this morning, that the Jesuit community was an integral part of the original corporation that governed HC until 1969, when the Jesuit community became a separate corporation.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 19, 2023 8:05:29 GMT -5
PP Are those docs practicing ? Where ?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 19, 2023 8:25:27 GMT -5
PP Are those docs practicing ? Where ? Not to my knowledge. One is board-certified in internal medicine, He acts as an educational specialist at UMass Medical.. He is a health professions adviser at HC, though I very much doubt he has the sway of Fr. Busam. The other was trained as a pathologist, but is now a bioethicist. He is a professor of philosophy at HC, and an adjunct professor at UMass Medical (but not in pathology.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 20, 2023 14:30:18 GMT -5
One indicator I've used to gauge the tempo of construction at the new residences and the townhouses is the number of construction workers' cars parked on the Hart lot near City View. This AM, there were but a handful, actually fewer than I expected. This suggests that the construction phase on both projects is nearly done. Of course, they may have started parking on City View itself, but I doubt it.
Also, I expected to see workers' cars associated with conversion of Ciampi to a student residence, but no sign. And it may be that's a different contractor.
Respectfully submitted, The Sidewalk Superintendent
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