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Post by hcpride on Mar 8, 2023 12:08:55 GMT -5
This surprises me. Unless there is something we didn't know then I didn't think this would happen. It seems to me it is harder to win at an Army then any other school in the Patriot League. The fact that they had a winning record in the PL and went to the semi-finals in PL Tournament seems to me to be a sign of success at Army. I don't know his overall record against Navy, but maybe the two losses this year against Navy is what did him in. I thin that would be true in many leagues but we've got some very weak programs here in the PL.
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Post by DiMarz on Mar 8, 2023 13:02:31 GMT -5
you do realize that the more people attend games, the better chance there is of signing better players to help the program? When recruits come to game, and there are very few fans, it doesn't give a warm feeling for the school... I knew it. We are the problem. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. As the saying goes…
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Post by mm67 on Mar 8, 2023 13:30:33 GMT -5
One positive note in an otherwise bleak musical score. Apparently,Coach Nelson has recruited fine young men, good students and decent fellows. They have given their best to the utmost with no quit in them. True Crusaders! After all, we have gotten some fine alums from some lousy teams. Although the w-l record upsets me, the players present a shining beacon of hope. I doubt that Coach Nelson has followed the example of Coach Raynor. Disgraceful! Like most on this board I continue to support our fine HC student-athletes As at the end of the song "Send in the Clowns" ...."maybe next year."
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Post by saderfan2020 on Mar 8, 2023 13:48:59 GMT -5
I've been pretty quiet because there's not much to say besides both Brett and the school need to go their separate ways, but considering it seems as though Ive had the most personal experience with him Ill drop my 2c. ill address the allegations that Brett may be manipulating his players/ staff into getting another chance, I think this is total BS. Brett is pretty awkward, and very hardheaded as a coach (see his abismal record and lack of offensive sets besides get the ball to GG in the mid-low block) but from what I can tell he's not a bad guy. Most of the players I spoke to had a ton of respect for the guy and wanted to learn from him because of his success as a cbb athlete and the ones who didn't left (that's not to say that everyone who left did it because of him however). He wanted/wants to win very badly. I'll always remember his post-game with the guys after last years pl tourney loss to AU where he essentially apologized to everyone for letting them down in-between tears which was one of the few times I've seen him show any emotion. He's great at recruiting individual talent, their skillsets often just don't work together. Look at all the players who have left and been key contributors on other teams. I have a hard time believing that he's resorting to emotionally manipulating his players unless he's had some drastic character shift since I last saw him. I think he'll make a fantastic asst. coach elsewhere and hopefully he'll get a second shot at head coaching somewhere else down the line. If this is truly reality then I am deeply sorry, but I think this is just villainizing a coach who we all agree should be let go. I'm in no way advocating for him to get another year, or month, or day, but come on, he's a mid major basketball coach not satan. I think we all need to remember that he is not the enemy, the situation is bad for everyone involved. Hopefully we get some positive news soon.
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Post by saderfan2020 on Mar 8, 2023 13:56:23 GMT -5
Also it's possible that KH is waiting to make an announcement next week as the athletes are on spring break. it wouldn't be right to have that discussion over zoom.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 8, 2023 13:57:48 GMT -5
Do have more than just hope ?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 8, 2023 14:06:27 GMT -5
Apparently,Coach Nelson has recruited fine young men, good students and decent fellows. They have given their best to the utmost with no quit in them. True Crusaders! Other than the ones who have transferred and quit in the middle of the season, of course. And other than a team GPA of 2.96, of course.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2023 14:11:55 GMT -5
I just can’t envision Nelson making an announcement that he is giving up a head coach position to become an assistant at any school. This isn’t football where offensive coordinator at, say, Ohio State would be seen as a move up from head coach at Rhode Island Your point places a high value on the HC HC position as one of the 350 available in the universe as opposed to suggestions that Kit would not find many willing to consider the job.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2023 14:16:49 GMT -5
I've been pretty quiet because there's not much to say besides both Brett and the school need to go their separate ways, but considering it seems as though Ive had the most personal experience with him Ill drop my 2c. ill address the allegations that Brett may be manipulating his players/ staff into getting another chance, I think this is total BS. Brett is pretty awkward, and very hardheaded as a coach (see his abismal record and lack of offensive sets besides get the ball to GG in the mid-low block) but from what I can tell he's not a bad guy. Most of the players I spoke to had a ton of respect for the guy and wanted to learn from him because of his success as a cbb athlete and the ones who didn't left (that's not to say that everyone who left did it because of him however). He wanted/wants to win very badly. I'll always remember his post-game with the guys after last years pl tourney loss to AU where he essentially apologized to everyone for letting them down in-between tears which was one of the few times I've seen him show any emotion. He's great at recruiting individual talent, their skillsets often just don't work together. Look at all the players who have left and been key contributors on other teams. I have a hard time believing that he's resorting to emotionally manipulating his players unless he's had some drastic character shift since I last saw him. I think he'll make a fantastic asst. coach elsewhere and hopefully he'll get a second shot at head coaching somewhere else down the line. If this is truly reality then I am deeply sorry, but I think this is just villainizing a coach who we all agree should be let go. I'm in no way advocating for him to get another year, or month, or day, but come on, he's a mid major basketball coach not satan. I think we all need to remember that he is not the enemy, the situation is bad for everyone involved. Hopefully we get some positive news soon. Well said. I assume the same type of post could be made by someone who has had close contact with Kit. These guys aren't Satan.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 8, 2023 14:21:34 GMT -5
I just can’t envision Nelson making an announcement that he is giving up a head coach position to become an assistant at any school. This isn’t football where offensive coordinator at, say, Ohio State would be seen as a move up from head coach at Rhode Island Your point places a high value on the HC HC position as one of the 350 available in the universe as opposed to suggestions that Kit would not find many willing to consider the job. I think there should be a long line of men wanting to take over a job that (A) was done very poorly by the predecessor , at (B) a place which has had success in the past, This is not a case of a program that has been pathetic for many decades
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Post by hc87 on Mar 8, 2023 15:53:39 GMT -5
Your point places a high value on the HC HC position as one of the 350 available in the universe as opposed to suggestions that Kit would not find many willing to consider the job. I think there should be a long line of men wanting to take over a job that (A) was done very poorly by the predecessor , at (B) a place which has had success in the past, This is not a case of a program that has been pathetic for many decades The fact that Pitino was once very interested in the position (for good, bad or indifferent) speaks volumes to this. I wondah how Pitino would have dealt with the n-cubers on Crossports???
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2023 16:15:46 GMT -5
I think there should be a long line of men wanting to take over a job that (A) was done very poorly by the predecessor , at (B) a place which has had success in the past, This is not a case of a program that has been pathetic for many decades The fact that Pitino was once very interested in the position (for good, bad or indifferent) speaks volumes to this. I wondah how Pitino would have dealt with the n-cubers on Crossports??? "Bob Cousy, Tom Heinsohn and Togo Plazzi ain't walking through that door."
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Post by hc87 on Mar 8, 2023 16:20:47 GMT -5
The fact that Pitino was once very interested in the position (for good, bad or indifferent) speaks volumes to this. I wondah how Pitino would have dealt with the n-cubers on Crossports??? "Bob Cousy, Tom Heinsohn and Togo Plazzi ain't walking through that door." Chef's kiss....lol (I originally posted "French kiss".....LONG day at school, mea maxima culpa )
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Post by jaredcurry on Mar 8, 2023 16:20:53 GMT -5
I think there should be a long line of men wanting to take over a job that (A) was done very poorly by the predecessor , at (B) a place which has had success in the past, This is not a case of a program that has been pathetic for many decades The fact that Pitino was once very interested in the position (for good, bad or indifferent) speaks volumes to this. I wondah how Pitino would have dealt with the n-cubers on Crossports??? Apparently he still is.
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Post by thecrossisback on Mar 8, 2023 16:27:48 GMT -5
The fact that Pitino was once very interested in the position (for good, bad or indifferent) speaks volumes to this. I wondah how Pitino would have dealt with the n-cubers on Crossports??? Apparently he still is. You know this to be true? If it is LETS GO! I would be interested in HC basketball again.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 8, 2023 16:27:51 GMT -5
The fact that Pitino was once very interested in the position (for good, bad or indifferent) speaks volumes to this. I wondah how Pitino would have dealt with the n-cubers on Crossports??? Apparently he still is. there's the answer: Rick is getting the job but we need to wait for the end of Iona's post season play
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Post by jaredcurry on Mar 8, 2023 16:31:21 GMT -5
I've been pretty quiet because there's not much to say besides both Brett and the school need to go their separate ways, but considering it seems as though Ive had the most personal experience with him Ill drop my 2c. ill address the allegations that Brett may be manipulating his players/ staff into getting another chance, I think this is total BS. Brett is pretty awkward, and very hardheaded as a coach (see his abismal record and lack of offensive sets besides get the ball to GG in the mid-low block) but from what I can tell he's not a bad guy. Most of the players I spoke to had a ton of respect for the guy and wanted to learn from him because of his success as a cbb athlete and the ones who didn't left (that's not to say that everyone who left did it because of him however). He wanted/wants to win very badly. I'll always remember his post-game with the guys after last years pl tourney loss to AU where he essentially apologized to everyone for letting them down in-between tears which was one of the few times I've seen him show any emotion. He's great at recruiting individual talent, their skillsets often just don't work together. Look at all the players who have left and been key contributors on other teams. I have a hard time believing that he's resorting to emotionally manipulating his players unless he's had some drastic character shift since I last saw him. I think he'll make a fantastic asst. coach elsewhere and hopefully he'll get a second shot at head coaching somewhere else down the line. If this is truly reality then I am deeply sorry, but I think this is just villainizing a coach who we all agree should be let go. I'm in no way advocating for him to get another year, or month, or day, but come on, he's a mid major basketball coach not satan. I think we all need to remember that he is not the enemy, the situation is bad for everyone involved. Hopefully we get some positive news soon. I disagree, although I do agree that he is not satan. Everyone here would be floored if they new what is said inside a locker room or basketball office. I’ve said this many times, the only good thing that has come from social media is that coaches now how have to treat these kids with some kind of respect…..they are 1 “post/send” away from being unemployed. We landed Josh Sankes because his coach made him do naked suicides in front of cheerleaders because he missed foul shots. A kid being manipulated to call a complete stranger to say “I back my coach” is 100% in the realm of possibility.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 8, 2023 16:41:30 GMT -5
The fact that Pitino was once very interested in the position (for good, bad or indifferent) speaks volumes to this. I wondah how Pitino would have dealt with the n-cubers on Crossports??? "Bob Cousy, Tom Heinsohn and Togo Plazzi ain't walking through that door." I guess we collectively qualify as Holy Cross' Fellowship of the Miserable. I give Rick a lot of credit for coming up with that expression to describe Sports Talk Radio, however.
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Post by jkh67 on Mar 8, 2023 17:16:54 GMT -5
Your point places a high value on the HC HC position as one of the 350 available in the universe as opposed to suggestions that Kit would not find many willing to consider the job. I think there should be a long line of men wanting to take over a job that (A) was done very poorly by the predecessor , at (B) a place which has had success in the past, This is not a case of a program that has been pathetic for many decades We've had mediocrity for well over a decade now and the school has given few indications that it finds that unacceptable. An outside observer might question HC's commitment to men's basketball as the years when we punched above our weight in the college basketball world get ever farther away. That being said, I obviously hope you're right...although I might question how long the line of men would be these days or how many of the men in that line would be the right fit at HC. Although it may be impossible to duplicate the Chesney hire, we desperately need a real game changer to take charge of the program.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 8, 2023 18:25:50 GMT -5
Back to the topic of this thread, I still don’t understand why Christopher would schedule this call and not provide any information.
Unless his head is buried even further in the sand than it appears, he has to do one of two things with that call: 1) Give some reasoning for why Nelson is coming back 2) Make it clear that they’re in the process of making changes
If he’s not comfortable with #2, he should have scheduled the call for a time after those changes were to be made. Taking a call from a prominent alum at a time like this and providing no actual information just doesn’t make sense.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 8, 2023 18:54:20 GMT -5
What does Hughes know about Jared ?
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Post by hcop33 on Mar 8, 2023 19:04:50 GMT -5
I've been pretty quiet because there's not much to say besides both Brett and the school need to go their separate ways, but considering it seems as though Ive had the most personal experience with him Ill drop my 2c. ill address the allegations that Brett may be manipulating his players/ staff into getting another chance, I think this is total BS. Brett is pretty awkward, and very hardheaded as a coach (see his abismal record and lack of offensive sets besides get the ball to GG in the mid-low block) but from what I can tell he's not a bad guy. Most of the players I spoke to had a ton of respect for the guy and wanted to learn from him because of his success as a cbb athlete and the ones who didn't left (that's not to say that everyone who left did it because of him however). He wanted/wants to win very badly. I'll always remember his post-game with the guys after last years pl tourney loss to AU where he essentially apologized to everyone for letting them down in-between tears which was one of the few times I've seen him show any emotion. He's great at recruiting individual talent, their skillsets often just don't work together. Look at all the players who have left and been key contributors on other teams. I have a hard time believing that he's resorting to emotionally manipulating his players unless he's had some drastic character shift since I last saw him. I think he'll make a fantastic asst. coach elsewhere and hopefully he'll get a second shot at head coaching somewhere else down the line. If this is truly reality then I am deeply sorry, but I think this is just villainizing a coach who we all agree should be let go. I'm in no way advocating for him to get another year, or month, or day, but come on, he's a mid major basketball coach not satan. I think we all need to remember that he is not the enemy, the situation is bad for everyone involved. Hopefully we get some positive news soon. I disagree, although I do agree that he is not satan. Everyone here would be floored if they new what is said inside a locker room or basketball office. I’ve said this many times, the only good thing that has come from social media is that coaches now how have to treat these kids with some kind of respect…..they are 1 “post/send” away from being unemployed. We landed Josh Sankes because his coach made him do naked suicides in front of cheerleaders because he missed foul shots. A kid being manipulated to call a complete stranger to say “I back my coach” is 100% in the realm of possibility. I am with Jared 100
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Post by spenser on Mar 8, 2023 19:10:59 GMT -5
People need to read Drew Louder’s Father’s post in the “Other Games Thread” if you haven’t already. Agree or disagree, it’s worth reading.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 8, 2023 19:18:14 GMT -5
Maybe his mother ?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 8, 2023 20:11:12 GMT -5
Does Hughes think that men’s basketball ending the year 8-22 is the same as women’s hockey finishing 7-26-1 in that he can just get away without addressing fans, alumni, and alums from the program?
By his silence over the last eight days, he’s actually made a statement that’s very loud and clear: Basketball isn’t important at Holy Cross.
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