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Mar 10, 2023 22:24:25 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Mar 10, 2023 22:24:25 GMT -5
Unless the student is from a Holy Cross family, there are not a lot of kids choosing HC over Villanova or BC anymore.
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Post by hc87 on Mar 10, 2023 22:28:51 GMT -5
Villanova and BC were once "safety schools" for kids applying to HC.....then we decided to "not be in the entertainment biz."
How's that worked out for us?
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Post by thecrossisback on Mar 10, 2023 22:49:39 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong...Nelson needed to be gone yesterday but I'm really not sure any coach out there is really going to transform HC hoop to any great extent. The ceiling is pretty low with PL basketball in the college basketball world today. Did you say this about HC playing PL football? One coaching change and look at them now?
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Mar 10, 2023 22:56:40 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Mar 10, 2023 22:56:40 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong...Nelson needed to be gone yesterday but I'm really not sure any coach out there is really going to transform HC hoop to any great extent. The ceiling is pretty low with PL basketball in the college basketball world today. Did you say this about HC playing PL football? One coaching change and look at them now? Different dynamic....we aren't going against Alabama, Ohio St, Texas etc in football as we are in basketball. The FCS-level is a perfect fit for Holy Cross football.....we could still do both ala Villanova,
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Mar 10, 2023 22:57:57 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Mar 10, 2023 22:57:57 GMT -5
Hc87 The P.L is bad, but it has not held back Langel and Colgate
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Mar 10, 2023 23:03:02 GMT -5
Post by mm67 on Mar 10, 2023 23:03:02 GMT -5
For the purposes of argument we'll equate admissions with academic excellence although in reality they are not one & the same. Joining together athletic success with academic excellence is interesting. The ceiling for PL basketball is low so HC's academics is limited. Floundering? Well...Do the schools with the most successful athletic programs have the best academics? PL's Colgate? IL? NESCAC? And, many other low level b-ball schools seem to be flourishing academically by any metric, no? Don't know what these schools are doing but maybe HC should try to do the same.
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Post by hc87 on Mar 10, 2023 23:10:54 GMT -5
Holy Cross' academic standing was higher before we joined/formed the Colonial, now Patriot League.....it was much harder to get into HC in 1980 than it was in 2020.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 11, 2023 0:04:35 GMT -5
Holy Cross' academic standing was higher before we joined/formed the Colonial, now Patriot League.....it was much harder to get into HC in 1980 than it was in 2020. Why is that? Don't you think pointing the finger at sports might possibly be a bit self-serving and maybe superficial? Causation is multiple. Doubt if athletics plays a significant role in the quality of HC's academics. Is it possible that some might possibly want to have winninghigher level teams plain & simple? Peace.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 11, 2023 5:08:08 GMT -5
There is one individual I feel badly about in regards to this news: FCBN's young son, who obviously had no say in the matter. FCBN will be just fine.
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Mar 11, 2023 6:38:17 GMT -5
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Post by crusader12 on Mar 11, 2023 6:38:17 GMT -5
Perhaps the “is Nelson ovah his head” thread can now be retired at 40 pages. Hope for the best for him and his family. And looking forward to next steps for HC hoops. It is now crystal clear that Nelson was in ovah is head.
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Post by trimster on Mar 11, 2023 7:15:19 GMT -5
There is one individual I feel badly about in regards to this news: FCBN's young son, who obviously had no say in the matter. FCBN will be just fine. I was thinking the same thing. I think I saw him on the bench at home games. Has to be tough on him.
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Mar 11, 2023 8:45:20 GMT -5
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Post by hc1998 on Mar 11, 2023 8:45:20 GMT -5
Hc87 The P.L is bad, but it has not held back Langel and Colgate Aside from beating Cuse 2 years in a row, what exactly have they accomplished outside of the PL?
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Post by hchoops on Mar 11, 2023 8:55:44 GMT -5
Did you see their NCAA first round game last season ? Reminded me of the RW appearances
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Mar 11, 2023 9:03:35 GMT -5
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Post by hc1998 on Mar 11, 2023 9:03:35 GMT -5
Did you see their NCAA first round game last season ? Reminded me of the RW appearances They lost...when you say they haven't been held back by the PL it suggests they have accomplished something
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Mar 11, 2023 9:09:14 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 11, 2023 9:09:14 GMT -5
Unless the student is from a Holy Cross family, there are not a lot of kids choosing HC over Villanova or BC anymore. When I was in HS in the mid-2000's, Holy Cross was definitely more competitive to get into than Villanova. BC was by then definitely harder to get into though.
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Mar 11, 2023 9:24:36 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Mar 11, 2023 9:24:36 GMT -5
Did you see their NCAA first round game last season ? Reminded me of the RW appearances They lost...when you say they haven't been held back by the PL it suggests they have accomplished something Not in the counting mode right now, but it would be instructive to have a summary of PL appearances in the Big Dance since the league was founded, broken down as follows: 1. Dunkirks (i.e. blowouts, term courtesy of Al McGuire) 2. Semi Competitive (team was even for a decent amount of time but sometime before crunch time, the floodgates opened) 3. Competitive (RW's first 3 teams certainly fall in that category, Colgate's game last year does) 4. A Win for the PL! (Bucknell has 2 or 3; that's it, right?) 5. Sweet Sixteen or better (none of these, sadly)
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Mar 11, 2023 9:26:30 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Mar 11, 2023 9:26:30 GMT -5
Did you see their NCAA first round game last season ? Reminded me of the RW appearances They lost...when you say they haven't been held back by the PL it suggests they have accomplished something So did RW. Did you demean those 3 games ? kenpom #111 Projected as a 14 seed They have not been held back.
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Mar 11, 2023 9:31:49 GMT -5
Post by hc1998 on Mar 11, 2023 9:31:49 GMT -5
They lost...when you say they haven't been held back by the PL it suggests they have accomplished something Not in the counting mode right now, but it would be instructive to have a summary of PL appearances in the Big Dance since the league was founded, broken down as follows: 1. Dunkirks (i.e. blowouts, term courtesy of Al McGuire) 2. Semi Competitive (team was even for a decent amount of time but sometime before crunch time, the floodgates opened) 3. Competitive (RW's first 3 teams certainly fall in that category, Colgate's game last year does) 4. A Win for the PL! (Bucknell has 2 or 3; that's it, right?) 5. Sweet Sixteen or better (none of these, sadly) Bucknell had 2 I believe and earned a 9 seed. CJ McCollum and Lehigh also beat Duke...I think thats it for PL
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Mar 11, 2023 9:39:19 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Mar 11, 2023 9:39:19 GMT -5
Not in the counting mode right now, but it would be instructive to have a summary of PL appearances in the Big Dance since the league was founded, broken down as follows: 1. Dunkirks (i.e. blowouts, term courtesy of Al McGuire) 2. Semi Competitive (team was even for a decent amount of time but sometime before crunch time, the floodgates opened) 3. Competitive (RW's first 3 teams certainly fall in that category, Colgate's game last year does) 4. A Win for the PL! (Bucknell has 2 or 3; that's it, right?) 5. Sweet Sixteen or better (none of these, sadly) Bucknell had 2 I believe and earned a 9 seed. CJ McCollum and Lehigh also beat Duke...I think thats it for PL My point is, what makes a lower conference a GOOD lower conference? Probably a little more than 2 wins and my guesstimate of 5-10 "attaboys" in 30 years. But not sure how much more.
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Post by hc1998 on Mar 11, 2023 9:42:05 GMT -5
They lost...when you say they haven't been held back by the PL it suggests they have accomplished something So did RW. Did you demean those 3 games ? kenpom #111 Projected as a 14 seed They have not been held back. I don't celebrate losses or moral victories...same reason why, as a Met fan, I get sick of them flashing that Endy Chavez catch all over the place...we could have lost that game without the catch too (and it would have been a less heartbreaking loss). Historically, and recently, the PL receives a 14/15 seed (some years a 16, but also some years higher...the average seed historically is 14.5)....so Colgate being projected for the normal PL seed is the very definition of the PL holding them back.
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Mar 11, 2023 9:45:23 GMT -5
Post by hc1998 on Mar 11, 2023 9:45:23 GMT -5
Bucknell had 2 I believe and earned a 9 seed. CJ McCollum and Lehigh also beat Duke...I think thats it for PL My point is, what makes a lower conference a GOOD lower conference? Probably a little more than 2 wins and my guesstimate of 5-10 "attaboys" in 30 years. But not sure how much more. I wasn't correcting you, more just supplementing you...we aren't a good conference and we haven't had many good teams either
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Mar 11, 2023 10:12:48 GMT -5
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Post by jkh67 on Mar 11, 2023 10:12:48 GMT -5
Good move finally the worst era of HC basketball is over. We all certainly hope so. But after four misfires in the last decade or so, we shall see. Likely the most important decision in the history of the once proud HC basketball program is on the horizon. (Well, second most important, maybe, to the decision not to join the Big East.) The College...and I mean everyone from the President, Board of Trustees, and AD on down...just has to get this one right. On a related note, the fact that four PL coaches have been canned in recent days may augur well for overall improvement of PL basketball in coming years. One can always hope, no!?!
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Post by hc87 on Mar 11, 2023 10:23:07 GMT -5
Holy Cross basketball was still nationally (or at the very least, Northeast) relevant pre Big East.
Holy Cross football is basically at the same level it was in 1979 today.
These 2 sports at HC have changed greatly in terms of national competitiveness ovah the last 40 years, league changes etc.
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Mar 11, 2023 10:50:03 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 11, 2023 10:50:03 GMT -5
Holy Cross basketball was still nationally (or at the very least, Northeast) relevant pre Big East. Holy Cross football is basically at the same level it was in 1979 today. These 2 sports at HC have changed greatly in terms of national competitiveness ovah the last 40 years, league changes etc. Would HC have been in the final four if there had been an FCS in 1979? No. So FB is miles ahead of 1979, imo. We're still playing BC and Army and a similar overall level of competition but we are winning now and have a shot at a national championship.
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Mar 11, 2023 11:30:09 GMT -5
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Post by saderfan2020 on Mar 11, 2023 11:30:09 GMT -5
There is one individual I feel badly about in regards to this news: FCBN's young son, who obviously had no say in the matter. FCBN will be just fine. good kid and great basketball player for his age, I hope he will be alright
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