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Post by hc6774 on Apr 20, 2023 20:15:50 GMT -5
All are talking-east, midwest, and west coast Where there is an alumni base, good recruiting area. Extending the 'brand' geographically. DP is currently enroute to this AAU tournament in Phoenix. Check out the teams in the Super showcase. basketball.exposureevents.com/197341/wce-cactus-classic/teams(Team Curry is out of Charlotte) note 'Unsigned Seniors Showcase' seems to align with DP's comment about opportunity to recruit high school talent passed over by transfer portal talent that take roster spots that might have gone to hs recruits.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 20, 2023 21:11:03 GMT -5
All are talking-east, midwest, and west coast Was going to mention SLU, Loyola Chicago and U of Detroit. In terms of bus trips, there's Fairfield and St. Peter's. Or, God forbid, shuffling off to Buffalo.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 20, 2023 21:50:25 GMT -5
Uh, Rob, $1,500 for Purple Knights, not the full $2,500 . . . . . courtesy of me asking them months ago on behalf of my Classmates (and yours). You did notice him mention Purple Knights specifically but he didn't seem to want to actually say out loud $1,500 but I've got it in writing. That's why they "love" me up there! Another factoid, Kit said there are only 180 baseball field spots. And yes, DP tried to get around Kit's brakes on the schedule by dropping GU hints. If he didn't wink, DP had a noticeable twinkle in his eye when he said that. Similar dynamic as the RW and FADDR relationship. The subordinate coach has more career success and gravitas than the younger AD.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 20, 2023 21:54:08 GMT -5
Geez, I hope that doesn't mean the long awaited UMass Boston revenge game is off the table... Shh. DP may want to schedule Williams.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 20, 2023 21:58:05 GMT -5
I wondered about that, but Kit did mention Purple Knights and then again said $2500. I don't recall $1500 gifts from Purple Knights to become a PC member being mentioned. Ahh, to have the phonetic transcript (excuse the obvious phonetic errors), Kit said: "You know, we changed our premier loss parking for football games at fit and field [ ], and particularly the parking on the baseball field, and so you know, the eligibility for that premier lot really begins with you know, the presence Council patron level which as people on this call knows is $2,500 or more. Obviously that includes people who are purple mics. [ ] And so graduates of, you know, a little bit more than you know, 50 years or more, and they're eligibility for the patience level, you know. They qualify they qualify at that level and you know the combination of presence, counsel, and season ticket purchase. You know we'll get you at. You will provide access for people to our our highest, our Premier, a lot which is in incredible experience." Apologies to Kit as I've seen written transcripts by professional legal stenographers of my depositions. Credit to Kit as I'd have a lot more "you knows" and "ahhs" and the like. And I was testifying as an expert witness on those. A Boston Columnist used to call Ted Kennedy the "Wizzard of Uhs"🙂
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 20, 2023 22:20:30 GMT -5
The baseball field parking was presented with positive spin as a fund raiser and a way to get premier parking for some of our biggest supporters. I know they can use the funds, but it also means some of thise who are long time fans and parked there may not get a spot unless they can come up with at least a $2500 gift to get on the President's Council. That will be interesting. Some new revenue because they've doubled the price of parking on the baseball field in addition to the required donation. My prediction is that I will be able to count on one hand the number of people that join the President's Council to get on the baseball field. I won't be shocked if the number is zero. Some long time fans will give up their tickets in rebellion. Distinct possibility this will be negative for revenue Are there a lot of President's Council members who want to be on the baseball field but couldn't get on under the old policy? No, the whole concept is misguided. "We're men and women for others...unless you are a long term loyal fan who has bled Purple during 30 years with one championship in a seven team league." I think people give money for altruistic reasons and understand and respect seniority, loyalty and waiting lists to qualify for close parking. The idea of buying somebody else's parking spot and booting them is probably antithetical to our most altruistic donors. I don't think HC athletic administrators are evil, just stuck in their own bubble and searching for revenue sources after giving out raises and bonuses in FB and paying two MBB head coaches as well as all kinds of facility upgrades.
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 21, 2023 4:30:58 GMT -5
Ouch! 😣
I had baseball/parking garage spots for years (you used to be able to park at either place on any given game) but don’t believe my PC status had any impact on my parking. When I stopped running Class tailgates with a car full of stuff and they split off baseball and garage parking, I went with the latter and stayed ever since. Garage is just as close and in inclement weather, i much rather have my car in the garage. And now, relatively speaking, costs less.
My suspicion, based on nothing but “gut,” is this is more than a money grab. Many of the true fans get griped by the people, many but not all, who stay on the baseball field and drink (eat too?) and never set foot inside the stadium. And in the past, many of those objected to the “storm troopers” who cleared the baseball field when the game started. That policy seemed to stop. Is it possible that the administration is thinking, “no more storm troopers but if you just want to park and drink and not watch the game, you’ll have to pay for that privilege.” And, PC members tend to be older and maybe, nothing is certain, there might be fewer baseball field squatters?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 21, 2023 5:03:52 GMT -5
My point was we are trying to build and engage all Jesuit institutions in terms of scheduling our future OOC games. They are also looking at schools many on this board have mentioned during the insanity of the last six to ten years Output from Phoenix might offer a result or not, but it offers Dave visibility as a HC representing HC One of you retirees still has time to hop on a plane out to sunny Phoenix; a great time to visit (and provide some scoops on recruits).
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 21, 2023 5:07:59 GMT -5
Let's face it - there are only so many academically qualified kids out there. The PL needs to start beating out the Ivies for a few of them. Hopefully improved coaching combined with scheduling up will assist with this. I used to be cautious about scheduling too many guarantee games, but given the state of college basketball now, screw it - squeeze every last nickel out of them.
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Post by trimster on Apr 21, 2023 6:39:33 GMT -5
note 'Unsigned Seniors Showcase' seems to align with DP's comment about opportunity to recruit high school talent passed over by transfer portal talent that take roster spots that might have gone to hs recruits. Looks like CDP hasn’t given up on finding 2023 hs recruits at this late date. Also noticed the Middlesex Magic has two squads participating.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 21, 2023 7:43:50 GMT -5
note 'Unsigned Seniors Showcase' seems to align with DP's comment about opportunity to recruit high school talent passed over by transfer portal talent that take roster spots that might have gone to hs recruits. Looks like CDP hasn’t given up on finding 2023 hs recruits at this late date. Also noticed the Middlesex Magic has two squads participating. I don’t think the attendance in Phoenix tells us much about 2023s. Guessing the primary purpose is to look at 2024s and beyond. If they happen to connect with a viable 2023 while they’re out there, all the better.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 21, 2023 7:58:24 GMT -5
Looks like CDP hasn’t given up on finding 2023 hs recruits at this late date. Also noticed the Middlesex Magic has two squads participating. I don’t think the attendance in Phoenix tells us much about 2023s. Guessing the primary purpose is to look at 2024s and beyond. If they happen to connect with a viable 2023 while they’re out there, all the better. We are still two short heading into the 2023-24 season, so if it's not going to be the high school/prep route, HCDP is going to need to find at least one kid from the portal for next year's team. The Frankel kid seems like he'd be a solid addition. Let's get him.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Apr 21, 2023 8:18:07 GMT -5
I don’t think the attendance in Phoenix tells us much about 2023s. Guessing the primary purpose is to look at 2024s and beyond. If they happen to connect with a viable 2023 while they’re out there, all the better. Here's one of the Magic teams in action. These are all 2025 kids.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Apr 21, 2023 8:21:51 GMT -5
Here's the other team competing. These are 2024s.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 21, 2023 8:22:57 GMT -5
I don’t think the attendance in Phoenix tells us much about 2023s. Guessing the primary purpose is to look at 2024s and beyond. If they happen to connect with a viable 2023 while they’re out there, all the better. Here's one of the Magic teams in action. These are all 2025 kids.
Tells us everything we need to know about public school basketball in the northeast. Almost all prep school kids on one of the best AAU teams in this neck of the woods.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Apr 21, 2023 8:28:24 GMT -5
Here's a NERR profile of 6-8 CJ Happy, a 2024 from Milton Academy (#13 on the 17U team). Paulsen's teams have consistently excelled rebounding at the defensive end. Holy Cross has offered.
CJ Happy 6’8 Big Man (Milton Academy): Happy is a reliable post scorer who gets after it on the defensive glass. When catching the ball on the block, he can use a jump-hook with his right hand to score over defenders. Has a soft touch off the glass, helping him to be a consistent finisher on drop-offs or when rolling out of ball screens. Happy’s good hands allow him to catch passes at different angles. Has solid vision when posting up, finding cutting teammates for layups. Defensively, he is a volume rebounder. Uses his high motor to consistently pull down balls in his area. Also utilizes the well-built frame he possesses, regularly getting advantageous position on opponents.
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Post by alum on Apr 21, 2023 8:28:45 GMT -5
Here's one of the Magic teams in action. These are all 2025 kids.
Tells us everything we need to know about public school basketball in the northeast. Almost all prep school kids on one of the best AAU teams in this neck of the woods. Basaketball has turned into hockey. Prep school (usually with an extra year) required.
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 21, 2023 8:59:04 GMT -5
I know everyone is chomping at the bit but my impression is DP is trying to temper expectations that he wants to re-build this program from the ground up (absolutely NOT running off current players like we've seen previously). He seems to be emphasizing effort next season and eventual championships once he's got the foundation in place. "Let's be the best in the country with the things that require no talent. And if you can win those small victories, I think you can make incremental improvement." DP also said, "I think the transfer portal could give us an advantage in the sense that a lot of other college programs are living in the transfer portal and they're recruiting I think we have an opportunity to recruit a high school player who might be a little better than one we maybe could have yielded a few years back because a lot of competition is just focusing so much on the portal so you know, that's kind of my goal because I still believe in the developmental process and my preference would be to have somebody for 4 years watch them grow and develop over the course of time, and build a program that's built to last. That's the goal. That's what we're going to do. Obviously, if there's an opportunity on a case-by-case basis to add to our equation with somebody out of the portal, you know, we'll look at that. But the emphasis is going to be built from within." He's preaching to this choir!
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Post by timholycross on Apr 21, 2023 9:04:02 GMT -5
Yeah, it's almost like they omitted "High" from "Oliver Ames School" so as not to embarrass the lone public school kid.
Class of 25, so he still has time to ditch OA and end up at a private; class of '25 or '26 (they might not shake him down for a "reclassify" year given that he'd be there 2 years anyway).
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Post by HC92 on Apr 21, 2023 9:08:36 GMT -5
Tells us everything we need to know about public school basketball in the northeast. Almost all prep school kids on one of the best AAU teams in this neck of the woods. Basaketball has turned into hockey. Prep school (usually with an extra year) required. We had a kid in town who played at Notre Dame. Played two years at the high school, went to NMH, reclassified and did three years three prior to ND. Seems like it’s the only way to it to if you want to play D1 and live somewhere where high school hoops isn’t particularly strong. Kids also have to play on AAU teams based long ways from where they live. Only so many teams are on the Nike, Under Armour and Adidas circuits, which is where all the coaches go.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Apr 21, 2023 9:23:59 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 21, 2023 9:32:59 GMT -5
WG, I think this is the kind of situation where Bob Chesney and probably Dave Paulsen will succeed. They will be telling these kids that, yes, you'll get to play basketball (with both programs now/going to be even better) but you'll get a MUCH better education, be part of a focused community that looks beyond oneself and has an outstanding alumni network. The "whole package," not just basketball. Seems to work for BC and I am confident will work for DP.
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Post by trimster on Apr 21, 2023 9:38:51 GMT -5
My guess is our head coach isn’t traveling 3,000 miles to focus on ‘24 and ‘25s on an AAU team up the road that will be playing in multiple events in the coming months much closer to home. I think there is more to it than that. Maybe I am wrong. This could be one of the last major AAU events before the ‘23s graduate. Who knows?
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Post by trimster on Apr 21, 2023 9:42:43 GMT -5
Re; the OOC schedule. As RGS mentioned, 'other Jesuit institutions' was voiced in the plural, and paired with spending an additional day giving the team an educational experience. Georgetown is one of the Jesuit institutions. Candidates for the others might be St. Joe's, Fordham, Santa Clara, University of San Francisco, Seattle, Loyola Marymount? There are verbal commitments, but no signed contracts. West Virginia becomes the first school to announce their OOC schedule for next season. That is quick.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 21, 2023 10:27:08 GMT -5
WG, I think this is the kind of situation where Bob Chesney and probably Dave Paulsen will succeed. They will be telling these kids that, yes, you'll get to play basketball (with both programs now/going to be even better) but you'll get a MUCH better education, be part of a focused community that looks beyond oneself and has an outstanding alumni network. The "whole package," not just basketball. Seems to work for BC and I am confident will work for DP. Paulsen said in some interview that he was confident he could get one reach kid each year at Bucknell with whom your pitch above would resonate.
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