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Post by gks on Oct 23, 2023 20:54:24 GMT -5
They could ask the PL to become football members-- IMHO that would not be good for the members as most in the FCS already dont rate it as a tough league. The notion of schools like Fairfield, Sacred Heart, or Bryant being invited to become Patriot League members is laughable. They would bring nothing to the party...either athletically or academically. Delaware is headed for the FBS according to a recent Wilmington newspaper article. This will accelerate the collapse of the CAA. Look to opportunities to pick up academically and athletically comparable schools for football like W&M, Richmond, and/or Villanova. This is 1000x more laughable than wanting to invite Fairfield, Sacred Heart, etc. Please explain why these three CAA schools would want to downgrade their programs to make bus trips to Lewisburg, PA.... Full stop on this please.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 24, 2023 0:12:37 GMT -5
SHU won nine NEC Commissioner's Cups. HC has hovered near the bottom in the race for the PL Commissioner's Cup. Our league partners never complained we were bringing down the PL. It's a good conference for Holy Cross.
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Post by trimster on Oct 24, 2023 7:35:53 GMT -5
Posters on the Fairfield and Siena are not happy with the addition of Merrimac and Sacred Heart.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 24, 2023 8:37:06 GMT -5
Fairfield doesn't have a football team, so it'd be an Olympic sports move in this situation. Wasn't Fairfield not happy with Quinnipiac being added? I can't imagine they're happy with SH joining now too. SHU being added sure as heck saves on travel! In the same ballpark as the trips we used to make to Salisbury Street.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 24, 2023 8:39:13 GMT -5
The notion of schools like Fairfield, Sacred Heart, or Bryant being invited to become Patriot League members is laughable. They would bring nothing to the party...either athletically or academically. Delaware is headed for the FBS according to a recent Wilmington newspaper article. This will accelerate the collapse of the CAA. Look to opportunities to pick up academically and athletically comparable schools for football like W&M, Richmond, and/or Villanova. This is 1000x more laughable than wanting to invite Fairfield, Sacred Heart, etc. Please explain why these three CAA schools would want to downgrade their programs to make bus trips to Lewisburg, PA.... Full stop on this please. You think that's worse than trips to Hampton, NC A&T and Campbell?
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Post by Tom on Oct 24, 2023 9:42:46 GMT -5
This is 1000x more laughable than wanting to invite Fairfield, Sacred Heart, etc. Please explain why these three CAA schools would want to downgrade their programs to make bus trips to Lewisburg, PA.... Full stop on this please. You think that's worse than trips to Hampton, NC A&T and Campbell? Yes, I think a bus trip from William & Mary to Lewisburg PA is worse than a bus trip from William & Mary to Hampton
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Post by res on Oct 24, 2023 10:14:35 GMT -5
W&M currently travels to Maine, New Hampshire, Stony Brook, Albany and Rhode Island among other places. You seriously think a trip to Lewisburg is going to faze them?
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Post by gks on Oct 24, 2023 10:25:12 GMT -5
This is 1000x more laughable than wanting to invite Fairfield, Sacred Heart, etc. Please explain why these three CAA schools would want to downgrade their programs to make bus trips to Lewisburg, PA.... Full stop on this please. You think that's worse than trips to Hampton, NC A&T and Campbell? Yes. Lewisburg is a terrible trip. Still waiting for someone to tell me why the three CAA dream schools would downgrade their programs to come to the PL. Remember when Richmond floated it? How'd that go?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 24, 2023 11:11:56 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why a few people continually see PL membership as a "downgrade" on anything?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 24, 2023 11:43:02 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why a few people continually see PL membership as a "downgrade" on anything? My guess is level of competition, which routinely ranks near the bottom of Division I across many sports.
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Post by gks on Oct 24, 2023 11:56:20 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why a few people continually see PL membership as a "downgrade" on anything? Really? -No non-medical redshirts -Roster limits below allowed amount -Scholarship limits below allowed amount Change these and the league will be instantly better. Again...please explain why a school like W&M, Villanova, etc would reduce what they are currently offering for a football program.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 24, 2023 11:57:48 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why a few people continually see PL membership as a "downgrade" on anything? My guess is level of competition, which routinely ranks near the bottom of Division I across many sports. How many NCAA Final Four appearances have PL teams had in all sponsored sports in the last 20 years?
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Post by timholycross on Oct 24, 2023 12:09:05 GMT -5
You think that's worse than trips to Hampton, NC A&T and Campbell? Yes. Lewisburg is a terrible trip. Still waiting for someone to tell me why the three CAA dream schools would downgrade their programs to come to the PL. Remember when Richmond floated it? How'd that go? They already downgraded their programs by bringing in the schools they brought in on the latest expansion. I can't imagine Holy Cross or any similar school (and I'd have to count Richmond, W&M and Villanova as such) wanting to play them.
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Post by gks on Oct 24, 2023 12:38:07 GMT -5
Yes. Lewisburg is a terrible trip. Still waiting for someone to tell me why the three CAA dream schools would downgrade their programs to come to the PL. Remember when Richmond floated it? How'd that go? They already downgraded their programs by bringing in the schools they brought in on the latest expansion. I can't imagine Holy Cross or any similar school (and I'd have to count Richmond, W&M and Villanova as such) wanting to play them. CAA is one of the top conferences in the country...even with backfilling of lesser quality schools. This is an undeniable fact.
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Post by Wayne on Oct 24, 2023 13:32:56 GMT -5
NEC throws a life raft to Merrimack, and gives them the ticket to the D1 party, and the school stabs them in the back the first moment they could? Bush league move in my opinion. On another front, if the MAAC could junk the Buffalo schools and geographical outlier Mt. St. Mary's, they would have a nice, compact 10 team league of where every school would be within a 3.5 hour drive except for Merrimack-Rider.
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Post by Tom on Oct 24, 2023 13:59:47 GMT -5
NEC throws a life raft to Merrimack, and gives them the ticket to the D1 party, and the school stabs them in the back the first moment they could? I hadn't thought about that, Fair point
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 24, 2023 22:06:52 GMT -5
The NEC, planned or not has been a frequent first stop for former D-2 schools. If a school does well in the NEC and earns an invite from a higher ranked conference they aren't being unethical or anything by accepting it.
PL schools can leave the league but they don't. What do they know that isn't always fully understood or acknowledged on Crossports?
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 24, 2023 23:44:29 GMT -5
The NEC, planned or not has been a frequent first stop for former D-2 schools. If a school does well in the NEC and earns an invite from a higher ranked conference they aren't being unethical or anything by accepting it. PL schools can leave the league but they don't. What do they know that isn't always fully understood or acknowledged on Crossports? Bryant did the same thing
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 25, 2023 5:55:28 GMT -5
The NEC, planned or not has been a frequent first stop for former D-2 schools. If a school does well in the NEC and earns an invite from a higher ranked conference they aren't being unethical or anything by accepting it. PL schools can leave the league but they don't. What do they know that isn't always fully understood or acknowledged on Crossports? What the PL presidents know that we don’t seem to know here is that an athletic conference is more than that, at least for them. Like the IL, it is an association of academically like minded institutions who value stability among its first priorities.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 25, 2023 6:51:09 GMT -5
BTW, does anyone here think that any other PL school has fans that think they should even consider moving up to FBS? Or, are we just so unique because of the Big East declination and a large football stadium that think we can/should make this happen? You know, with a student body that's at about 3,100.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 25, 2023 7:26:15 GMT -5
Some may find it fun to speculate, and that can be entertaining. Personally I think such a move has the potential for disaster (as with UMass and UConn - both of which have much larger enrollment than HC as well as state funds to cover up such "mistakes").
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Post by trimster on Oct 25, 2023 7:38:43 GMT -5
I think slim and none are very optimistic words to use when talking about the chance of HC pursuing the FBS route.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 25, 2023 7:45:37 GMT -5
How 'bout none, nada, nil, zero?
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Post by mainejeff on Oct 25, 2023 8:23:11 GMT -5
NEC throws a life raft to Merrimack, and gives them the ticket to the D1 party, and the school stabs them in the back the first moment they could? Bush league move in my opinion. I think that the move was made with info we might not be privy to.....in other words, there may be more shoes dropping on multiple fronts as it concerns other schools, conferences and maybe the NCAA itself.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 25, 2023 8:43:35 GMT -5
Some may find it fun to speculate, and that can be entertainig. Personally I think such a move has the potentiasl for disaster (as with UMass and UConn - both of which have much larger enrollment than HC as well as state funds to cover up such "mistakes"). Exactly- there is no Commonwealth of Holy Cross to bail the HCAA out if things go south. Plus, independent schools these days are an anachronism. Cannot conceive of a fit between HC and the MAC, CUSA or (LOL thinking of Worcester, global warming's not that bad yet) the Sun Belt.
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