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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 27, 2023 11:06:34 GMT -5
I thought having a thread dedicated to which HC players have entered the transfer portal would be helpful. We can also track which schools have offered our guys and where they commit. Have I missed anyone? Alphabetically -- Bryce Barron: Jacob Dobbs: Matt Duchemin: Quinton Gregory: Patrick Haughney: Luke Newman: Tyler Purdy: JP Raiger:
Eric Schon: Matthew Sluka:
http://instagram.com/p/Cz5AdhJu6Sy Terrence Spence:
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Post by hchoops on Nov 27, 2023 11:52:44 GMT -5
Thanks, SoV Bad news- so many terrific players are leaving Good news- Love those highlights. I guess Sluka’s and Dobbs’ videos would be too long.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 27, 2023 11:55:39 GMT -5
Talk about a blockbuster group. Wow.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 27, 2023 13:11:29 GMT -5
Like Ayir, Walter and Reich last year, I expect several to keep their offers private and not act like a High Schooler generating buzz/interest.
List looks big but since we couldn’t make 6th years work for 2024; Dobbs, Purdy, and Pat H were not viable to return.
For 5th years, we definitely would have invited back Schon but like I mentioned before his VISA status makes Grad school a necessary for him to further as much higher ed as possible.
I don’t think any of us will look down on the the Big 3 (Sluka, Jalen and Newman) once we see where they end up and the likely financial package that will come with it as 1 year grad transfers. Newman and Jalen have legit NFL potential and Jalen could go league right now.
Spence is the one I’m most curious to watch how it plays out. 6’2 corners with speed don’t grow on trees. He played well against BC and others but was also exposed by lesser quality WR’s and QB’s at times. He has a URI offer so far but might he return (ala Derek Ng) if all his offers are more “lateral” moves.
Matty D is a nice depth piece but likely played more this year cause of injuries than he would next year (hopefully fewer injuries) with Comestro, Eli and Cam Jones all having a full off season as each are naturally more athletic and twitchier. Plus watch for incoming frosh Terrence “TJ” Jones to turn some heads quickly. Of the 4 verbal DB commits, he’s the most collegiate ready. The other 3 are talented but probably need a year in the weight room before they are thrown into the fire.
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 27, 2023 13:17:25 GMT -5
This is such a fantastic group, but with anything things change. It's time for this next group of players to become the above players in some form and get HC back into the playoffs where HC belongs. Recruit, recruit, recruit. The lifeblood of any good program.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 27, 2023 13:17:50 GMT -5
Midwest Let’s hope those recruits you mention here will be at HC in August.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 27, 2023 13:24:26 GMT -5
Hoops, perhaps not all 4 of those DBs are here come June but the good news is that TJ seems to be all in on HC at least so far. And the portal is about to open with a plethora of DB’s with experience. My main concern would be Ivies and Service Academies coming after several hard since they have basically unlimited roster sizes so “spots” don’t really exist there.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 27, 2023 13:50:11 GMT -5
Are there any non-seniors / 5th years in the portal?
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 27, 2023 13:55:10 GMT -5
Hoops, perhaps not all 4 of those DBs are here come June but the good news is that TJ seems to be all in on HC at least so far. And the portal is about to open with a plethora of DB’s with experience. My main concern would be Ivies and Service Academies coming after several hard since they have basically unlimited roster sizes so “spots” don’t really exist there. Can you explain the roster size comment? Does the PL and/or HC have restrictions that don't exist at the Ivies?
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Post by drjack on Nov 27, 2023 14:01:44 GMT -5
Are there any non-seniors / 5th years in the portal? The portal doesn't open for non grad transfers until 12/4, so everyone in right now is via a grad transfer.
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Post by gks on Nov 27, 2023 14:27:58 GMT -5
Hoops, perhaps not all 4 of those DBs are here come June but the good news is that TJ seems to be all in on HC at least so far. And the portal is about to open with a plethora of DB’s with experience. My main concern would be Ivies and Service Academies coming after several hard since they have basically unlimited roster sizes so “spots” don’t really exist there. Can you explain the roster size comment? Does the PL and/or HC have restrictions that don't exist at the Ivies? For years and no reason whatsoever, the esteemed PL has handcuffed themselves with a roster limit of 90. This was waived during COVID and HC probably had about 100 players rostered. Rumors have been on this board that the PL has finally begun to remove it's head from where it doesn't belong and the 90 player limit is to be eliminated. I do not believe there is a limit on how many players can be on a roster. The limit is on aid. Feel free those who know better to correct this.
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Post by hc1996 on Nov 27, 2023 14:30:19 GMT -5
Can you explain the roster size comment? Does the PL and/or HC have restrictions that don't exist at the Ivies? For years and no reason whatsoever, the esteemed PL has handcuffed themselves with a roster limit of 90. This was waived during COVID and HC probably had about 100 players rostered. Rumors have been on this board that the PL has finally begun to remove it's head from where it doesn't belong and the 90 player limit is to be eliminated. I do not believe there is a limit on how many players can be on a roster. The limit is on aid. Feel free those who know better to correct this. I appreciate the explanation. Seems shortsighted, and not surprising.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 27, 2023 14:38:12 GMT -5
For years and no reason whatsoever, the esteemed PL has handcuffed themselves with a roster limit of 90. This was waived during COVID and HC probably had about 100 players rostered. Rumors have been on this board that the PL has finally begun to remove it's head from where it doesn't belong and the 90 player limit is to be eliminated. I do not believe there is a limit on how many players can be on a roster. The limit is on aid. Feel free those who know better to correct this. I appreciate the explanation. Seems shortsighted, and not surprising. FCS allows max 63 scholarships and no more than 85 receiving any type of aid. Ivy and Service academies don’t play those rules for different reasons. Academies obviously every kid enrolled at either the academy or the prep school is a full ride. Ivies, well we know how they get around it.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 27, 2023 14:40:01 GMT -5
I think we've been spoiled a bit with so many quality seniors opting to take their 5th (Covid) year at Holy Cross. 5th years have been critical to our success. Suspect we'll see less of that for a number of reasons.
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Post by drjack on Nov 27, 2023 16:27:25 GMT -5
Newman officially in, also Phoenix Dixon.
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 27, 2023 16:42:17 GMT -5
Stu Smith has entered his name in the portal with 3 years left of eligibility. I know what speculation will be.
I honestly believe this happened because Crocetti took his spot against Army. And then Molten against Gtown. I think he's ego took a hit and he bailed. I'm not crapping on him in anyway. I wish him the best. But from afar he may not see an avenue to playing time in the future years.
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Post by drjack on Nov 27, 2023 16:46:45 GMT -5
Wait, how? The portal didn't open yet.
Or did he just announce he plans to enter?
Either way, not great.
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Post by drjack on Nov 27, 2023 16:55:26 GMT -5
Ah just came across it, plans to enter.
Sucks, but oh well. Not everyone is cut out for HC.
Just hope it's not a portent of things to come.
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Post by hcnj on Nov 27, 2023 17:10:33 GMT -5
Stu Smith has entered his name in the portal with 3 years left of eligibility. I know what speculation will be. I honestly believe this happened because Crocetti took his spot against Army. And then Molten against Gtown. I think he's ego took a hit and he bailed. I'm not crapping on him in anyway. I wish him the best. But from afar he may not see an avenue to playing time in the future years. How does that work with scholarship money? We could use his 3 years in any combination of new partials, more aid to an existing partial, xfers-in? Stu had every opportunity and I'm sure he earned them, but I'm ok to just waive goodbye. And I liked seeing Crochetti play in second half of the season. Is Jon Wood back next year?
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Post by bison137 on Nov 27, 2023 17:29:42 GMT -5
My main concern would be Ivies and Service Academies coming after several hard since they have basically unlimited roster sizes The rare players who transfer into a service Academy must start again as freshmen. That means that realistically only current freshmen would transfer there. As for the Ivy’s, they will normally not take any transfer who is already a junior.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 27, 2023 17:31:27 GMT -5
My main concern would be Ivies and Service Academies coming after several hard since they have basically unlimited roster sizes The rare players who transfer into a service Academy must start again as freshmen. That means that realistically only current freshmen would transfer there. As for the Ivy’s, they will normally not take any transfer who is already a junior. I was talking about verbal commits in the 24 class, not existing players. I’m aware of the rules.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 27, 2023 17:32:41 GMT -5
Stu Smith has entered his name in the portal with 3 years left of eligibility. I know what speculation will be. I honestly believe this happened because Crocetti took his spot against Army. And then Molten against Gtown. I think he's ego took a hit and he bailed. I'm not crapping on him in anyway. I wish him the best. But from afar he may not see an avenue to playing time in the future years. How does that work with scholarship money? We could use his 3 years in any combination of new partials, more aid to an existing partial, xfers-in? Stu had every opportunity and I'm sure he earned them, but I'm ok to just waive goodbye. And I liked seeing Crochetti play in second half of the season. Is Jon Wood back next year? Yes Wood has two years of eligibility left.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Nov 27, 2023 17:49:31 GMT -5
Nothing at all hurt at safety. We brought in a ton in the ‘23 class and at least one was bound to get lost in the mix and try elsewhere. While Stu came into camp more college ready, he was only playing early cause of injury and 1 player underperforming. Carlo and Due have higher long term upside. If we head into Spring with Carlo and Due at SS, Curtis and Wood at WS, and Jarmo and Chisom at Free, that is a 2-deep with plenty of potential to make plays in ‘24.
We wish Stu the best but facing adversity head on is part of big boy football.
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Post by bison137 on Nov 27, 2023 17:59:40 GMT -5
Can you explain the roster size comment? Does the PL and/or HC have restrictions that don't exist at the Ivies? For years and no reason whatsoever, the esteemed PL has handcuffed themselves with a roster limit of 90. This was waived during COVID and HC probably had about 100 players rostered. Rumors have been on this board that the PL has finally begun to remove it's head from where it doesn't belong and the 90 player limit is to be eliminated. I do not believe there is a limit on how many players can be on a roster. The limit is on aid. Feel free those who know better to correct this. After factoring in various exceptions, the roster limit for awhile has effectively been more than 100. HC, for example, rostered 108 this year. Fordham rostered 100. Bucknell rostered 97. Etc. As for equivalencies, the PL rule prior to Covid allowed 60 equivalencies, as compared to the NCAA max of 63. In late 2021, the league raised the limit to 63 if a school was allowing fifth year covid players. Starting next year, the limit will match the NCAA limit, i.e. 63, regardless of any covid exceptions.
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Post by hc2020 on Nov 27, 2023 18:49:39 GMT -5
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