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Post by drjack on May 10, 2024 11:59:18 GMT -5
Heard from a reliable source this week that the PL and Villanova are dating for football. Would be the most likely addition. Richmond and W&M not as likely right now but also open to discussions. GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 10, 2024 12:01:31 GMT -5
Yes please know that NY and SOV are being sarcastic. I said “for football” very intentionally but somehow this always happens and 3 pages later some folks are seriously pontificating about all sports realignment.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 10, 2024 12:03:01 GMT -5
I actually heard Kyle Neptune wants to return to his PL roots and bring Nova into the league in hoops as well. It would still probably be a one-bid league and 'Nova would get that bid. To put it in perspective, 'Nova has as many players currently in the NBA as the whole PL has had in its entire history (11). They're not leaving the BE. And for the longest time the PL only had one NBA player in its history (Foyle). We've had a nice flurry since about 2012, starting with McCollum.
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 10, 2024 12:03:19 GMT -5
Heard from a reliable source this week that the PL and Villanova are dating for football. Would be the most likely addition. Richmond and W&M not as likely right now but also open to discussions. GIVE ME WHAT I WANT! ”inject this into my veins” haha. I do think Villanova has more than a 50% chance to move for football in the next couple years. The other two probably less because I think they’d likely stay together.
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Post by hchoops on May 10, 2024 12:03:21 GMT -5
This discussion presumed that Nova to the PL was for football ONLY as was written here.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 10, 2024 12:18:27 GMT -5
This discussion presumed that Nova to the PL was for football ONLY as was written here. Put the shoe on another foot and answer me this: why? If Holy Cross had won a national title in the CAA, regularly made the playoffs, and could recruit whomever they wanted without the Index, why trade that all in for the increasingly unnecessary rules and restrictions of a one or two bid (on a good day) the Patriot League? Would Holy Cross trade home games with the likes of New Hampshire and Delaware for Lafayette and Bucknell?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 10, 2024 13:09:08 GMT -5
It would still probably be a one-bid league and 'Nova would get that bid. To put it in perspective, 'Nova has as many players currently in the NBA as the whole PL has had in its entire history (11). They're not leaving the BE. And for the longest time the PL only had one NBA player in its history (Foyle). We've had a nice flurry since about 2012, starting with McCollum. It has been a nice little run for our little league -- McCollum Muscala Ingram Miller Aldama
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 10, 2024 13:11:29 GMT -5
This discussion presumed that Nova to the PL was for football ONLY as was written here. Put the shoe on another foot and answer me this: why? If Holy Cross had won a national title in the CAA, regularly made the playoffs, and could recruit whomever they wanted without the Index, why trade that all in for the increasingly unnecessary rules and restrictions of a one or two bid (on a good day) the Patriot League? Would Holy Cross trade home games with the likes of New Hampshire and Delaware for Lafayette and Bucknell? Obviously no. Which is why Villanova to the PL has been a non-starter until the last year or two. JMU is gone. Delaware is gone. The CAA isn't a top-2 FCS conference anymore. It's only now where the trade-off isn't as steep. That being said, if I'm a Villanova football supporter I'm sticking with the CAA for now. If Richmond leaves and/or the northern schools leave to spawn A-East Football, then I'm out. But for now, CAA is still the best place for the Wildcats to be if the goal is to compete for national championships. If Villanova comes our way, chances are they revert to the mean and become Lehigh (talking about historical Lehigh, not Gilmore-era Lehigh of course).
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 10, 2024 13:33:07 GMT -5
The CAA isn't what it once was back when JMU, UMass, Delaware (when they were really good), UNH (when they were really good) were the elite class of the FCS. This is a watered down league with newcomers like Hampton, NC A&T, Bryant, Campbell joining.
It's not so far-fetched to think that the PL is more attractive -- received an at-large in recent seasons, some closer games against the three PA schools, more "natural" crossover for Nova alums (Lehigh, Bucknell, Lafayette, Fordham, Georgetown, Holy Cross vs. the preceding schools mentioned -- no brainer).
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 10, 2024 14:47:43 GMT -5
And the guardrails are off the PL officially. 60-63 scholies done. Non medical redshirting is a go. Each are up to each team to manage and implement. The AI would be tough for Villanova and I agree the only real obstacle based on the trajectory of where these conferences are headed.
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Post by drjack on May 10, 2024 14:51:39 GMT -5
Whoa, I didn't know redshirts were officially a go, though it seemed inevitable to me.
Just between that, the scholly cap being removed and Curran's comments (even if purely speculation on his part), does give me some hope that the PL is being proactive here to try and keep themselves in the 2nd tier whenever the P2-4/G5 split happens.
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 10, 2024 15:17:11 GMT -5
The PL will remain in FCS with the 63 cap. It ain’t going to 85 (which would be 44 additional full scholarships with the Title 9 offsets)
It will be P4/G5/FCS. G5 will still have 85 scholis and be the “second tier” as you say. FCS is the right level for HC and the PL. It’s basically what it has been just with G5 having their own playoff and packaged media rights at some point in the future.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 10, 2024 15:21:17 GMT -5
The PL will remain in FCS with the 63 cap. It ain’t going to 85 (which would be 44 additional full scholarships with the Title 9 offsets) It will be P4/G5/FCS. G5 will still have 85 scholis and be the “second tier” as you say. FCS is the right level for HC and the PL. It’s basically what it has been just with G5 having their own playoff and packaged media rights at some point in the future. Will ultimately be P2 or P3 though, not P4.
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Post by drjack on May 10, 2024 15:33:01 GMT -5
Id wager the Montana's and Dakotas and a few others get up into the second tier when it happens. It'll be a greatly watered down FCS imo
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Post by hc1996 on May 10, 2024 16:18:04 GMT -5
I think a move to PL football would be good for Nova. Probably more in line with what their administration is looking to do for their academic reputation. They’ve come a long way in the last couple decades. Acceptance rate is lower than HC’s! I know several Nova alums who could care less about football. In fact, they had no idea that Nova had such a strong program. I doubt there would be much alumni pushback. They also will never upgrade football to FBS. So, why not join a league with academic peers?
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 10, 2024 16:18:07 GMT -5
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 10, 2024 16:41:21 GMT -5
The PL will remain in FCS with the 63 cap. It ain’t going to 85 (which would be 44 additional full scholarships with the Title 9 offsets) It will be P4/G5/FCS. G5 will still have 85 scholis and be the “second tier” as you say. FCS is the right level for HC and the PL. It’s basically what it has been just with G5 having their own playoff and packaged media rights at some point in the future. Will ultimately be P2 or P3 though, not P4. Agreed, I was just referring to the ~80 teams that currently make up the P4. I’ve read it could even end up being a “P1” with 4 geographical regions. Regardless, my guess is D1 will encompass 80-85 “P” tier 1 teams, 55-65 “G” tier 2 teams and ~110-120 FCS teams by 2028.
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Post by efg72 on May 10, 2024 16:44:55 GMT -5
With all of the craziness in college football, I wonder if Congress might consider exempting college football from Title IX requirements.
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 10, 2024 17:24:47 GMT -5
I think a move to PL football would be good for Nova. Probably more in line with what their administration is looking to do for their academic reputation. They’ve come a long way in the last couple decades. Acceptance rate is lower than HC’s! I know several Nova alums who could care less about football. In fact, they had no idea that Nova had such a strong program. I doubt there would be much alumni pushback. They also will never upgrade football to FBS. So, why not join a league with academic peers? And that apathy is reflected in their attendance. They would probabably even save on travel costs with the 3 PA schools and Fordham a stone’s throw. Heck G’Town is closer than every CAA program except Monmouth, Towson and Stony Brook. Even with the Eagles, Philly is just such a basketball centric metro fpr HS and College.
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Post by hc87 on May 10, 2024 19:38:03 GMT -5
I've long thought Nova to the PL for football was a fait accompli....just makes too much sense institutionally, geographically etc....former coach Any Talley wanted no part of it but with the watered-down CAA, I think it's only a matter of time they join the PL for football
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Post by lehighowl on May 10, 2024 19:41:33 GMT -5
Id wager the Montana's and Dakotas and a few others get up into the second tier when it happens. It'll be a greatly watered down FCS imo What has been watered down more? FBS due to the FCSers moving up? Or...FCS due to the defectors heading off to FBS? The PL has an opportunity to act in a progressive manner while concurrently maintaining their long-standing commitment to the scholar-athlete by 2024 standards. If leadership can find the nerve to tweak a policy or two in order to make the league more welcoming to other like-minded institutions while also enhancing the league's competitive aptitude then steps should be taken to make it come to fruition. I truly believe that in 3-5 years if the FCS landscape evolves how many anticipate, the PL could emerge as one of the best in the country, supplanting the CAA and SoCon as premier league east of the Mississippi. My hope is that Richmond and Villanova can be a packaged deal. If that happens, the PL immediately makes the claim as the third best in FCS imo when considering past, present and future prospects of their members.
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Post by longsuffering on May 10, 2024 20:14:02 GMT -5
With all of the craziness in college football, I wonder if Congress might consider exempting college football from Title IX requirements. Doubtful that Reps and Senators will jump to vote for inequality.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 11, 2024 7:30:18 GMT -5
With all of the craziness in college football, I wonder if Congress might consider exempting college football from Title IX requirements. Not happening. Men are slowly disappearing from four year colleges. A December 2023 Pew Research Center note highlights the emergence of gender disparity in a subset of the post-secondary universe, the four-year institutions. “Most of the decline is due to fewer young men pursuing college. About 1 million fewer young men are in college but only 0.2 million fewer young women. As a result, men make up 44% of young college students today, down from 47% in 2011, according to newly released U.S. Census Bureau data. “This shift is driven entirely by the falling share of men who are students at four-year colleges. Today, men represent only 42% of students ages 18 to 24 at four-year schools, down from 47% in 2011.“At two-year colleges, which are largely community colleges, the drop in enrollment has been similar for men and women, so the gender balance has not changed much. Men represent 49% of students ages 18 to 24, up slightly from 48% in 2011.”
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Post by hcpride on May 11, 2024 7:59:21 GMT -5
I've long thought Nova to the PL for football was a fait accompli....just makes too much sense institutionally, geographically etc....former coach Any Talley wanted no part of it but with the watered-down CAA, I think it's only a matter of time they join the PL for football They certainly aren’t against facing the PL in football (as it has been 2 or 3 teams per year recently…this year just 1 although it is the long slog to Colgate). As the CAA continues to change there are is a greater and greater chance Nova looks around at their league competition and wonders why they’re not with the more similar and nearby (ish) schools in the PL.
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Post by mm67 on May 11, 2024 10:44:14 GMT -5
PL AI & redshirt policy would be an obstacle for Villanova. Putting aside the desire by most on this board for the PL to loosen up, is the PL likely to change its policies to accommodate Villanova or any school? I do not know. We can posit this and posit that but we are not the deciders. I think the PL has a very attractive niche in Div I. I accept that most on this board do not agree and would want HC & the PL schools to loosen up & place more emphasis($) on athletics. If the PL were forced to change I would opt for the schools to go in the opposite direction and deemphasize further. Ain't gonna fly on Crossports. So much is in a state of flux, it is hard to predict.
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