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Post by td128 on Dec 31, 2023 12:16:50 GMT -5
There is a 10 year time period post graduation prior to a Crusader who is already a HC HoF inductee to be considered for induction into the Ring of Honor.
That wait time is SOP for honors of this sort.
Not proper decorum to reveal any discussions regarding any selected individuals but rest assured we well know all of the future prospective honorees. Best to leave it at that.
Bantering about the ROH itself along with current and future honorees is all fabulous “hot stove” discussions which further elevates the honor itself.
So throw another log into that stove, warm up your drink 😊 and keep “talking it up”.
LET’S WIN!! ✝️🏈💜
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 31, 2023 12:18:50 GMT -5
Well put!
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Post by hcpride on Dec 31, 2023 12:26:22 GMT -5
Dr. Edward N. Anderson 2017 Honorary
Ronald M. Cahill 2012 1940
Thomas G. Ciaccio 2014 1992
George L. Connor 2011 1946
L. Gill Fenerty 2010 1986
Harry E. Flaherty 2015 1984
Dennis C. Golden 2017 1963
Thomas W. Greene 2013 1959
Thomas P. Hennessey 2015 1963
Bruce W. Kozerski 2011 1984
Henry E. Lentz 2016 1967
Gordon C. Lockbaum 2010 1988
Charles T. Maloy 2014 1953
Jerome F. McCabe 2019 1987
Patrick L. McCarthy 2012 1963
Robert P. McGovern 2018 1989
William E. McGovern 2018 1985
Jon N. Morris 2011 1964
David P. Murphy 2017 1990
Edmund D. Murphy, Jr. 2010 1943
William T. Osmanski 2010 1939
Vincent L. Promuto 2010 1960
John S. Provost 2010 1975
David K. Quehl 2013 1976
John B. Turco 2013 1952
Glenn P. Verrette 2016 1980
Jeffrey W. Wiley 2012 1989
Joseph Wilson 2011 1973
Reading the members of the first class (2010) and with the often-overlooked (here on Crossports)certainty that there are always exceptions, you may be looking at the very top of HC football excellence. (Fenerty, Lockbaum, Murphy (?) Osmanski, Promuto, and Provost)
The 2011 class was great too, but just a whisker below, IMHO. (With exceptions, of course).
I appreciate the limited entries since then given the always-present dilution issues with HOFs.
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Post by td128 on Dec 31, 2023 12:28:30 GMT -5
Ed Murphy '43
goholycross.com/honors/hall-of-fame/edmund-d-murphy-jr-/260
Edmund Murphy captained the 1942 Holy Cross football team that achieved perhaps the program’s most famous victory, the 55-12 upset over Boston College, which also snapped Holy Cross’ three-game losing streak in the series.
His efforts during his career were also instrumental in victories over Carnegie Tech in 1940 and Temple in 1942, and he was recognized with an invitation to the East-West Shrine Game in California.
He was honored as All-East and All-New England in his senior season.
Also a competitor in five events on the track team, Murphy became a teacher and coach at Dracut High School.
Two of his sons, Ed (Class of 1970) and Dave (Class of 1982), also played football for Holy Cross.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 31, 2023 12:29:54 GMT -5
Just checking Mark Duffner was inducted into the HC Hall of Fame in 2008. So he should be eligible for the Ring of Honor.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 31, 2023 12:30:22 GMT -5
Ed Murphy '43
I hadn’t heard much about him (in our last couple of all-time and Mount Rushmore discussions) compared to the other 2010 ROH members: Fenerty, Lockbaum, Osmanski, Promuto, and Provost.
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Post by td128 on Dec 31, 2023 12:36:53 GMT -5
So let me ask this audience a question.
Was anybody in attendance in 2018 when both Rob and Bill McGovern - may he Rest in Peace -- were inducted into the Ring of Honor? Do you gentlemen think all things considered that individuals being inducted might like to be in a position to actually attend the induction ceremony? Maybe? Probably? Preferably? Definitely?
I will leave it at that.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 31, 2023 12:43:09 GMT -5
So let me ask this audience a question.
Was anybody in attendance in 2018 when both Jack and Bill McGovern - may he Rest in Peace -- were inducted into the Ring of Honor? Do you gentlemen think all things considered that individuals being inducted might like to be in a position to actually attend the induction ceremony? Maybe? Preferably? Definitely?
I will leave it at that. Definitely This is a good reason why Duffner should be inducted sooner rather than later. He is 70 years old.
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Post by td128 on Dec 31, 2023 12:48:24 GMT -5
I can only guess hoops that you have no idea what Coach Duffner does with his time during the fall. For the same reason that Bill McGovern was not able to attend his induction, Saturdays are busy days for individuals coaching football - especially professional football - during the fall. www.bengals.com/team/coaches-roster/mark-duffner
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Post by hchoops on Dec 31, 2023 13:01:21 GMT -5
I can only guess hoops that you have no idea what Coach Duffner does with his time during the fall. For the same reason that Bill McGovern was not able to attend his induction, Saturdays are busy days for individuals coaching football - especially professional football - during the fall. www.bengals.com/team/coaches-roster/mark-duffner Thank you for that information.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 31, 2023 13:11:59 GMT -5
Ed Murphy '43
goholycross.com/honors/hall-of-fame/edmund-d-murphy-jr-/260
Edmund Murphy captained the 1942 Holy Cross football team that achieved perhaps the program’s most famous victory, the 55-12 upset over Boston College, which also snapped Holy Cross’ three-game losing streak in the series.
His efforts during his career were also instrumental in victories over Carnegie Tech in 1940 and Temple in 1942, and he was recognized with an invitation to the East-West Shrine Game in California.
He was honored as All-East and All-New England in his senior season.
Also a competitor in five events on the track team, Murphy became a teacher and coach at Dracut High School.
Two of his sons, Ed (Class of 1970) and Dave (Class of 1982), also played football for Holy Cross. Ed was the father of one of my Classmates as td posted and I had the opportunity to meet him once as we were entering Harvard Stadium for an HC-Harvard game as he had on a Harvard cap and a Holy Cross sweatshirt and when I asked about the split allegiances he then told me he played for HC but his grandson, my Classmate's son, was playing for Harvard. I shared with him that he (Ed) was a Classmate of my uncle (who predicted to my father that HC would beat BC in '42) as my uncle allegedly played freshmen football and knew most of the players and had some "inside information." My father ('42), who was in the Army by this point, figured it was all hot air. When told by Army mates listening to the game on the radio reported the halftime score, my father assured them that they had the score reversed. Tragically, Ed's grandson and "Murph's" son died very young.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 31, 2023 13:38:36 GMT -5
I think “dilution” is really an issue— how many men should ever make the Ring?
Halls of Fame are always great debate topics. What does one read into the fact that there are 371 members of the Pro Football HOF yet HC has 143 football players or coaches in its HOF? So a much much higher percentage of Crusaders make our HOF and maybe that’s the way we want it. I don’t think they should all eventually enter the Ring. I’d be content to see someone make the Ring every half dozen years, after the first couple of classes were enshrined. I’d figure the Ring for maybe 20 people total but I am guessing I am in the minority in that regard.
Edit: for reference, Colgate’s Hall of Honor has enshrined 74 for football- not saying that is right or wrong
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 31, 2023 14:05:20 GMT -5
Has anyone been added to the Ring of Honor since 2019?
As of then our youngest alum to be honored as a player was Tom Ciaccio, who graduated in 1992. Time for an update, if there hasn't been an addition since.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 31, 2023 14:31:16 GMT -5
I think “dilution” is really an issue— how many men should ever make the Ring? Halls of Fame are always great debate topics. What does one read into the fact that there are 371 members of the Pro Football HOF yet HC has 143 football players or coaches in its HOF? So a much much higher percentage of Crusaders make our HOF and maybe that’s the way we want it. I don’t think they should all eventually enter the Ring. I’d be content to see someone make the Ring every half dozen years, after the first couple of classes were enshrined. I’d figure the Ring for maybe 20 people total but I am guessing I am in the minority in that regard. Edit: for reference, Colgate’s Hall of Honor has enshrined 74 for football- not saying that is right or wrong Football HOF totals at other PL schools: Fordham: 125 Bucknell: 66 Georgetown: 62 Lafayette: 56 Lehigh: 34
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Post by hchoops on Dec 31, 2023 14:38:02 GMT -5
I think “dilution” is really an issue— how many men should ever make the Ring? Halls of Fame are always great debate topics. What does one read into the fact that there are 371 members of the Pro Football HOF yet HC has 143 football players or coaches in its HOF? So a much much higher percentage of Crusaders make our HOF and maybe that’s the way we want it. I don’t think they should all eventually enter the Ring. I’d be content to see someone make the Ring every half dozen years, after the first couple of classes were enshrined. I’d figure the Ring for maybe 20 people total but I am guessing I am in the minority in that regard. As the list above shows, there are already 28 members of the RoH.
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Post by td128 on Dec 31, 2023 16:02:40 GMT -5
I’ll stoke the stove as you gentlemen “warm” your drinks and continue the interesting exchange.
HCFB has been playing for 125 years give or take. I think it is safe to make a conservative assumption of 15 graduating FB Crusaders per year. Over the last 50 years that number is probably 20 but just to be conservative I suggest we use 15 and 100 years. Point being HCFB has an overall pool of HoF eligible Crusaders of ~1500 with ~1000 living HCFB alumni. With that benchmark, the top 10% of our eligible Crusaders are in the HC HoF and the top 2% are in the Ring of Honor.
Those figures strike me as representing a very healthy and robust football history and tradition. We have certainly had some fabulous ups and some real downs but overall great FB at a great college.
I think our Ring of Honor brings real glory and pride to the program and Alma Mater.
I’ll be back shortly but need to throw some kindling into the stove. 😁
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Post by td128 on Dec 31, 2023 16:11:55 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 31, 2023 16:36:22 GMT -5
Matthew Sluka "Bullet Bill" Osmanski Gordie Lockbaum Jon Morris
Honorary: Jeff Oliver, Ashley Alebiosu, Lu Ann Hennessy, Jack Moriarty
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Post by hc87 on Dec 31, 2023 16:44:06 GMT -5
So tough to limit to 4......Strictly players, I'd go Osmanski, Promuto, Fenerty and Lockbaum but I'll probably change my mind in 5 minutes.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 31, 2023 17:31:26 GMT -5
HC had only one two-time 1st Team All America in the pre-AA/FCS era. Henry Lemire. Wonder why he is not in the Ring of Honor.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 31, 2023 17:51:03 GMT -5
I have put Osmanski for Promuto Matt Sluka was great, but the PL was not what Osmanski, Morris, Fenerty or Lockbaum faced. Gordie was a Heisman finalist two times. Fenerty and Lockbaum were both at HC while we were I-AA. And I think Sluka overall played just as difficult a schedule. Ivies better now than they were in the late 1980s. Matt also almost beat BC. None of the Lockbaum era teams sniffed a competitive game against the Eagles, even in the friendly confines of Fitton. Granted BC was a much better team then than in 2023. 2 things I'd love to go into a time machine and see: 1) HC-BC rivalry last one more year and we play in 1987. 2) Sluka stays in bounds.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 31, 2023 18:09:56 GMT -5
I have put Osmanski for Promuto Matt Sluka was great, but the PL was not what Osmanski, Morris, Fenerty or Lockbaum faced. Gordie was a Heisman finalist two times. Fenerty and Lockbaum were both at HC while we were I-AA. And I think Sluka overall played just as difficult a schedule. Ivies better now than they were in the late 1980s. Matt also almost beat BC. None of the Lockbaum era teams sniffed a competitive game against the Eagles, even in the friendly confines of Fitton. Granted BC was a much better team then than in 2023. 2 things I'd love to go into a time machine and see: 1) HC-BC rivalry last one more year and we play in 1987. 2) Sluka stays in bounds. To the extent it matters, Fenerty graduated before we moved down to CL/PL. Lockbaum’s two big years were when we were in CL/PL.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 31, 2023 18:30:07 GMT -5
The non-HC BC game in 1987 game haunts me to this day.......and Sluka stepped OOB probably 50 feet from me.......the life of an HC fan.....Happy New Year's All to the best college football fandom (per capita ) in America!
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 31, 2023 18:40:03 GMT -5
Fenerty and Lockbaum were both at HC while we were I-AA. And I think Sluka overall played just as difficult a schedule. Ivies better now than they were in the late 1980s. Matt also almost beat BC. None of the Lockbaum era teams sniffed a competitive game against the Eagles, even in the friendly confines of Fitton. Granted BC was a much better team then than in 2023. 2 things I'd love to go into a time machine and see: 1) HC-BC rivalry last one more year and we play in 1987. 2) Sluka stays in bounds. To the extent it matters, Fenerty graduated before we moved down to CL/PL. Lockbaum’s two big years were when we were in CL/PL. Fenerty played at Holy Cross from 1983-1985, our first three years in I-AA. While we weren't in the Colonial League yet, it's not like we were playing Syracuse and Penn State. The SOS was negligibly different, if at all, compared to what Sluka played against. Fenerty's all-time rushing performance came against big, bad Columbia who was in the midst of losing like 50 games in a row.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 31, 2023 18:44:11 GMT -5
The non-HC BC game in 1987 game haunts me to this day.......and Sluka stepped OOB probably 50 feet from me.......the life of an HC fan.....Happy New Year's All to the best college football fandom (per capita ) in America! I almost feel like I can never go to another Holy Cross-BC game again after this last one. The 2 hours that encompassed the final minute fifty-eight of that game were the most hyped up I've ever been at ANY sporting event.
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