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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 11, 2024 21:49:17 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 12, 2024 6:34:31 GMT -5
So whoever said Fitton was too small to hold lacrosse games to me was lying...
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 12, 2024 9:53:21 GMT -5
I do not recall Lax ever being played in Fitton. If so, it occurred prior to 1970. Have to give the Athlectic Department and the coaches credit for trying something new to generate excitement of one form or another as the school year ends.
Next year, in April, they should play Lax in Smith Soccer Stadium.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 12, 2024 12:25:18 GMT -5
So whoever said Fitton was too small to hold lacrosse games to me was lying... I think that it is borderliine unsafe but they wouldn't have scheduled the game if they thought that the referees or opponents were going to complain. The NCAA field dimensions for both men and women are 110 x 60 and, looking at Google Earth, I would say that the field area is probably 135 x 80. I am not sure why people would want to play in front of 22000 empty seats but maybe they think that this is a gimmick to get more people to come to the games. Are students more likely to walk down to Fitton or up to Father K field? Don't they need to worry about the flood plain? Men and women do not play on the same sized field. Women’s lacrosse is played on a slightly bigger field than a men’s field, 120 yards by 70 yards vs. 110 yards by 60 yards. www.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Rules/how-to-line-womens-field-2021.pdfwww.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Rules/how-to-line-mens-field-2021.pdf
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Post by bison137 on Apr 12, 2024 12:50:26 GMT -5
I think that it is borderliine unsafe but they wouldn't have scheduled the game if they thought that the referees or opponents were going to complain. The NCAA field dimensions for both men and women are 110 x 60 and, looking at Google Earth, I would say that the field area is probably 135 x 80. I am not sure why people would want to play in front of 22000 empty seats but maybe they think that this is a gimmick to get more people to come to the games. Are students more likely to walk down to Fitton or up to Father K field? Don't they need to worry about the flood plain? Men and women do not play on the same sized field. Women’s lacrosse is played on a slightly bigger field than a men’s field, 120 yards by 70 yards vs. 110 yards by 60 yards. www.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Rules/how-to-line-womens-field-2021.pdfwww.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Rules/how-to-line-mens-field-2021.pdfActually, the optimal women’s dimensions are 120 yards x 65 yards. However, schools are allowed to have smaller dimensions if they don’t have a big enough field, as long as the visiting team is notified in advance.
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Post by alum on Apr 12, 2024 13:07:25 GMT -5
I think that it is borderliine unsafe but they wouldn't have scheduled the game if they thought that the referees or opponents were going to complain. The NCAA field dimensions for both men and women are 110 x 60 and, looking at Google Earth, I would say that the field area is probably 135 x 80. I am not sure why people would want to play in front of 22000 empty seats but maybe they think that this is a gimmick to get more people to come to the games. Are students more likely to walk down to Fitton or up to Father K field? Don't they need to worry about the flood plain? Men and women do not play on the same sized field. Women’s lacrosse is played on a slightly bigger field than a men’s field, 120 yards by 70 yards vs. 110 yards by 60 yards. www.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Rules/how-to-line-womens-field-2021.pdfwww.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Rules/how-to-line-mens-field-2021.pdfAs is often the case, the NCAA has its own rules. From the 2023 Women's Lacrosse rule book SECTION 1. The playing area shall be rectangular and marked with a solid lined boundary. Optimal field dimensions shall be 60 meters (65 yards) in width and 110 meters (120 yards) in total length, with goals 92 meters (100 yards) apart. Where optimal field dimensions cannot be met due to field-space limitations, the field must be between 101 and 110 meters (110 to 120 yards) from end line to end line and between 55 and 64 meters (60 to 70 yards) from sideline to sideline. The goals shall be placed not more than 92 meters (100 yards) and not less than 82 meters (90 yards) apart, measured from goal line to goal line. There must be 9 meters (10 yards) of space behind each goal line, extending to the end line and running the width of the field. There must be a minimum of 4 meters (4.4 yards) of space between the sideline boundary and the scorer’s/timer’s table. There should be at least 4 meters (4.4 yards) of space between the other sideline and any spectator area. There should be 2 meters (6'6") of space beyond each end line. SECTION 2. It shall be the host institution’s re From the 2023/2024 men's rule book SECTION 2. The playing field shall be rectangular, 110 yards long and 60 yards wide. The boundaries of the field shall be marked with white or contrasting-colored lines. The long sides of the field shall be designated sidelines; the short sides shall be designated end lines. A bold white or contrasting-colored line shall be marked through the center of the field perpendicular to the sidelines. This line shall be known as the center line and shall continue through any logos or other markings (including a shadow line through any logos or other markings). All lines shall be not less than 2 inches wide nor more than 4 inches wide. The goal line and the goal mouth arc shall be 2 inches wide. The center line shall be 4 inches wide. Out of bounds lines shall be measured from the inside edge of the line; field lines (e.g., midfield line, etc.) shall be measured from the center of the line.Taking a look at Fitton on Google Earth. I would estimate the entire enclosed surface is about 135 yards by 65-70 yards. So, under either the men's or women's rules, it is a tight fit and, of course, the goal posts represent a small hazard which is present at virtually every high school field in the lacrosse playing universe.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 12, 2024 14:25:11 GMT -5
As is often the case, the NCAA has its own rules. From the 2023 Women's Lacrosse rule book SECTION 1. The playing area shall be rectangular and marked with a solid lined boundary. Optimal field dimensions shall be 60 meters (65 yards) in width and 110 meters (120 yards) in total length, with goals 92 meters (100 yards) apart. Where optimal field dimensions cannot be met due to field-space limitations, the field must be between 101 and 110 meters (110 to 120 yards) from end line to end line and between 55 and 64 meters (60 to 70 yards) from sideline to sideline. The goals shall be placed not more than 92 meters (100 yards) and not less than 82 meters (90 yards) apart, measured from goal line to goal line. There must be 9 meters (10 yards) of space behind each goal line, extending to the end line and running the width of the field. There must be a minimum of 4 meters (4.4 yards) of space between the sideline boundary and the scorer’s/timer’s table. There should be at least 4 meters (4.4 yards) of space between the other sideline and any spectator area. There should be 2 meters (6'6") of space beyond each end line. SECTION 2. It shall be the host institution’s re From the 2023/2024 men's rule book SECTION 2. The playing field shall be rectangular, 110 yards long and 60 yards wide. The boundaries of the field shall be marked with white or contrasting-colored lines. The long sides of the field shall be designated sidelines; the short sides shall be designated end lines. A bold white or contrasting-colored line shall be marked through the center of the field perpendicular to the sidelines. This line shall be known as the center line and shall continue through any logos or other markings (including a shadow line through any logos or other markings). All lines shall be not less than 2 inches wide nor more than 4 inches wide. The goal line and the goal mouth arc shall be 2 inches wide. The center line shall be 4 inches wide. Out of bounds lines shall be measured from the inside edge of the line; field lines (e.g., midfield line, etc.) shall be measured from the center of the line.Taking a look at Fitton on Google Earth. I would estimate the entire enclosed surface is about 135 yards by 65-70 yards. So, under either the men's or women's rules, it is a tight fit and, of course, the goal posts represent a small hazard which is present at virtually every high school field in the lacrosse playing universe. Thanks for agreeing with me....
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Post by bison137 on Apr 12, 2024 16:53:09 GMT -5
As is often the case, the NCAA has its own rules. From the 2023 Women's Lacrosse rule book SECTION 1. The playing area shall be rectangular and marked with a solid lined boundary. Optimal field dimensions shall be 60 meters (65 yards) in width and 110 meters (120 yards) in total length, with goals 92 meters (100 yards) apart. Where optimal field dimensions cannot be met due to field-space limitations, the field must be between 101 and 110 meters (110 to 120 yards) from end line to end line and between 55 and 64 meters (60 to 70 yards) from sideline to sideline. The goals shall be placed not more than 92 meters (100 yards) and not less than 82 meters (90 yards) apart, measured from goal line to goal line. There must be 9 meters (10 yards) of space behind each goal line, extending to the end line and running the width of the field. There must be a minimum of 4 meters (4.4 yards) of space between the sideline boundary and the scorer’s/timer’s table. There should be at least 4 meters (4.4 yards) of space between the other sideline and any spectator area. There should be 2 meters (6'6") of space beyond each end line. SECTION 2. It shall be the host institution’s re From the 2023/2024 men's rule book SECTION 2. The playing field shall be rectangular, 110 yards long and 60 yards wide. The boundaries of the field shall be marked with white or contrasting-colored lines. The long sides of the field shall be designated sidelines; the short sides shall be designated end lines. A bold white or contrasting-colored line shall be marked through the center of the field perpendicular to the sidelines. This line shall be known as the center line and shall continue through any logos or other markings (including a shadow line through any logos or other markings). All lines shall be not less than 2 inches wide nor more than 4 inches wide. The goal line and the goal mouth arc shall be 2 inches wide. The center line shall be 4 inches wide. Out of bounds lines shall be measured from the inside edge of the line; field lines (e.g., midfield line, etc.) shall be measured from the center of the line.Taking a look at Fitton on Google Earth. I would estimate the entire enclosed surface is about 135 yards by 65-70 yards. So, under either the men's or women's rules, it is a tight fit and, of course, the goal posts represent a small hazard which is present at virtually every high school field in the lacrosse playing universe. Thanks for agreeing with me....
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Post by bison137 on Apr 12, 2024 16:54:01 GMT -5
As is often the case, the NCAA has its own rules. From the 2023 Women's Lacrosse rule book SECTION 1. The playing area shall be rectangular and marked with a solid lined boundary. Optimal field dimensions shall be 60 meters (65 yards) in width and 110 meters (120 yards) in total length, with goals 92 meters (100 yards) apart. Where optimal field dimensions cannot be met due to field-space limitations, the field must be between 101 and 110 meters (110 to 120 yards) from end line to end line and between 55 and 64 meters (60 to 70 yards) from sideline to sideline. The goals shall be placed not more than 92 meters (100 yards) and not less than 82 meters (90 yards) apart, measured from goal line to goal line. There must be 9 meters (10 yards) of space behind each goal line, extending to the end line and running the width of the field. There must be a minimum of 4 meters (4.4 yards) of space between the sideline boundary and the scorer’s/timer’s table. There should be at least 4 meters (4.4 yards) of space between the other sideline and any spectator area. There should be 2 meters (6'6") of space beyond each end line. SECTION 2. It shall be the host institution’s re From the 2023/2024 men's rule book SECTION 2. The playing field shall be rectangular, 110 yards long and 60 yards wide. The boundaries of the field shall be marked with white or contrasting-colored lines. The long sides of the field shall be designated sidelines; the short sides shall be designated end lines. A bold white or contrasting-colored line shall be marked through the center of the field perpendicular to the sidelines. This line shall be known as the center line and shall continue through any logos or other markings (including a shadow line through any logos or other markings). All lines shall be not less than 2 inches wide nor more than 4 inches wide. The goal line and the goal mouth arc shall be 2 inches wide. The center line shall be 4 inches wide. Out of bounds lines shall be measured from the inside edge of the line; field lines (e.g., midfield line, etc.) shall be measured from the center of the line.Taking a look at Fitton on Google Earth. I would estimate the entire enclosed surface is about 135 yards by 65-70 yards. So, under either the men's or women's rules, it is a tight fit and, of course, the goal posts represent a small hazard which is present at virtually every high school field in the lacrosse playing universe. Thanks for agreeing with me.... Actually, both he and the NCAA women’s rules disagreed with you.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 12, 2024 19:09:01 GMT -5
Thanks for agreeing with me.... Actually, both he and the NCAA women’s rules disagreed with you. I guess you missed the meters vs yards....last I knew 120 > 110 yards but maybe in your world that math is the same
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 13, 2024 13:17:08 GMT -5
After a competitive first half (4-4 at one point; 8-5 at the half), Loyola has decided to turn it on, scoring nine of the next ten goals. They lead 13-5 five minutes into the third.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 13, 2024 13:57:32 GMT -5
15-6 final. Mercy shown by Loyola in the fourth.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 13, 2024 19:56:05 GMT -5
Big upsets today has set up a six-way tie for 1st place in the league with 4-2 records Lafayette won at no.15 BU 11-10 and Lehigh won at no.17 Colgate 9-7
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Post by coneyislanddogs on Apr 14, 2024 12:46:01 GMT -5
There needs to be a real CTJ moment in the athletic department regarding this program. While lacrosse and athletics in general aren’t important to everyone, it’s just a poor reflection on HC to be so uncompetitive in a sport that doesn’t take much to be successful. We have the former top assistant at MD coaching and it hasn’t made a difference. I know Kit cares about lacrosse, so do the lax alums, but all alums who care about excellence in the classroom and on the field should be concerned here.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 14, 2024 13:06:17 GMT -5
ditto for M&W tennis, volleyball and softball - these programs have not had winning seasons in more than 20 years I don't think such performance levels should be ignored - we could drop one (or more) of these programs and re-distribute Title IX funds to improve some of the remaining sports
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Post by coneyislanddogs on Apr 14, 2024 13:21:45 GMT -5
Agreed. I’m biased towards mens lax, but it’s the reality of college athletics I guess.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 14, 2024 19:57:43 GMT -5
ditto for M&W tennis, volleyball and softball - these programs have not had winning seasons in more than 20 years I don't think such performance levels should be ignored - we could drop one (or more) of these programs and re-distribute Title IX funds to improve some of the remaining sports I would doubt they'd ditch any women's sports; but, like BC, maybe men's lacrosse is not in the school's future.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 14, 2024 21:08:31 GMT -5
There is already a dearth of male students (45% men/55% women) so it's risky to discourage qualified male students who want to come to Holy Cross or publicize that the school has failed in any way. A sport may be winless, but as long as it is still exists and is being played it hasn't failed yet.
It's also demoralizing to drop a sport. I think HC is like a clumsy customer in a china shop with narrow aisles. HC broke Men's Lax so now it owns it.
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Post by purplesader89 on Apr 15, 2024 12:59:00 GMT -5
It is almost too difficult to even put together a plan to "fix" the approach and outcomes over the last 4 seasons. You can make the talent argument but we have had some success in the past based on different styles of play that have allowed the team to even compete. 4 years, 6 wins (3 of which have been Umass Lowel - 3 wins in 4 years), 39 losses (some by a margin of 15+ goals), and 1-22 in patriot league play. It's getting worse, so much worse to the point where the next step is a complete cleanout of the program from top to bottom. The coaching style and strategies are horrific and clearly, they are losing different ways to spin an "approach to excellence". It's not an approach it is a weekly guess of how their "fundamentals" will lead to success. It is not excellence, it is how we can get by without embarrassing the players, parents, alumni, and school.
Hate to be blunt but it is time for serious reconsideration of where this program should be over the next few years because it is honestly sad to watch. By no means am I referring to the commitment level and care of our student-athletes but they continuously are being put in positions to fail. At this point, there is no magic scheme or strategy that can change the way this program is headed. It is time for a change because our current brand of play is too cemented in the team culture and program. I see no way out.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 15, 2024 13:10:02 GMT -5
What was the reason Peter Burke was fired? He seemed to be doing fairly well.
Also, before Burke, Judd Lattimore had a sprinkling of success, relatively speaking. A .375 PL winning % is pretty good for this program.
No one is expecting for HC to contend for a PL championship, but being competitive is a reasonable goal. That's not happening at all with Reppert.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 15, 2024 13:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 15, 2024 13:21:07 GMT -5
The NFL has a uniform salary cap so coaches/GMs can be judged on an apples to apples basis. HC lacrosse is more of a mystery with less than ideal resources but it's time for Kit to get to the bottom of what is needed.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 15, 2024 13:25:20 GMT -5
Maybe hiring Division I assistants as head coaches isn't working out for this program?
Jim Morrissey - Hobart assistant (was an assistant for Adam Pascal, and elevated to head coach after Pascal was fired)
Judd Latimore - Penn assistant
Peter Burke - An assistant under Latimore (was an assistant at Emmanuel College prior to coming to HC)
JL Reppert - Maryland assistant
Go hire Bill Mason from Bowdoin or Casey D'Annolfo from Tufts (if you can pull him away from there).
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Post by purplefan18 on Apr 15, 2024 13:37:51 GMT -5
No disrespect to anyone involved but 'stars' in lacrosse are not very telling - there have been 4 stars in the pipeline that dwindled out. More of a crapshoot based on the club team you play for.
Doesn't matter anyway - agreed on the COMPETITIVE point. If Holy Cross is up 5-1, and it gets to 5-3, that game is over. It is over it's an immediate fold. It's almost disease-like
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 15, 2024 14:00:12 GMT -5
Watching the game this past Saturday, the team made several fundamental mistakes, such as shot clock expiration, and failure to back up shots behind goal which allowed turnovers.
The team also is very slow in starting their offense. At times they seemed hesitant to take shots. Too much lateral pass, pass, pass. They are not quick enough to create and identify on attack a player that is open or in breaking a 10 man ride.
The defense has been abysmal and the ride at times has not shown the skills required to play as a D1 team.
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