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Post by hchoops on Apr 13, 2024 9:13:20 GMT -5
SMU and Ron Meyer got the death penalty for its football program 40-50 years ago for some stuff that is now considered acceptable. Holy Cross hired Brett Nelson over Rick Pitino because of things Pitino did that are now considered acceptable. Even with today’s lesser moral standards, I believe that having sex on a restaurant table with a woman not his wife, paying for that woman’s abortion, and hiring strippers to entertain recruits are still unacceptable behaviors, especially for an institution that considers itself Catholic.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 13, 2024 9:42:19 GMT -5
Holy Cross hired Brett Nelson over Rick Pitino because of things Pitino did that are now considered acceptable. Even with today’s lesser moral standards, I believe that having sex on a restaurant table with a woman not his wife, paying for that woman’s abortion, and hiring strippers to entertain recruits are still unacceptable behaviors, especially for an institution that considers itself Catholic. I have a feeling TPTB at Holy Cross these days aren't worried about this part so much. Iona and St. John's also Catholic. Didn't hear any negative PR in metro NY surrounding Iona hiring the immoral Pitino.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 13, 2024 11:40:13 GMT -5
Perhaps you were not listening. There was a good deal of concern. The two questions asked by some were (1) how did Iona pull that off and (2) why on earth would they want to pull that off? When he bailed on the Gaels, there were also many "I told you so"s. The brothers who founded Iona have had to work through a number of past scandals and some thought they would have had higher standards as a result. But, in this case, it almost appears that winning hoops was more important than ethics for Iona's PTB.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 13, 2024 12:37:19 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 13, 2024 12:40:39 GMT -5
Perhaps you were not listening. There was a good deal of concern. The two questions sked by some were (1) how did Iona pull that off and (2) why on earth would they want to pull that off? When he bailed on the Gaels, there were also many "I told you so"s. The brothers who founded Iona have had to work through a number of past scandals and some thought they would have had higher standards as a result. But, in this case, it almost appears that winning hoops was more important than ethics for Iona's PTB. To my knowledge, Pitino did nothing unethical while at Iona. He was given a second chance and followed through on that opportunity. People deserve forgiveness. The public have largely forgiven Kobe Bryant and Tiger Woods for their episodes of infidelity. I wish Rick the best as he finishes his career at St. John's and ultimately heads into the sunset.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 13, 2024 13:02:42 GMT -5
You are a kind person.
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Post by alum on Apr 13, 2024 13:07:26 GMT -5
SMU and Ron Meyer got the death penalty for its football program 40-50 years ago for some stuff that is now considered acceptable. Holy Cross hired Brett Nelson over Rick Pitino because of things Pitino did that are now considered acceptable. Well the hookers might have been a problem, too. EDIT:: I also doubt HC was going to pay $750,000 like Iona did
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Post by breezy on Apr 13, 2024 13:09:07 GMT -5
I think this thread has gone off the rails.
I attended the 1843LLC event last night and was impressed by the enthusiasm of the attendees and the support of the coaches. I’d encourage all posters to view the group’s website and consider participating in this endeavor.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 13, 2024 17:14:07 GMT -5
Can any of the attendees give us their impressions of the evening - any goals for the various teams at HC other than the obvious NIL funding
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Post by efg72 on Apr 13, 2024 19:12:32 GMT -5
Holy Cross hired Brett Nelson over Rick Pitino because of things Pitino did that are now considered acceptable. Well the hookers might have been a problem, too. EDIT:: I also doubt HC was going to pay $750,000 like Iona did Well beyond the issue raised about Pitino, the unwillingness of PL schools to invest is the big problem for the league. Paulsen and Curran will prove to be worth all we offered or could have offered, but the finance and investment mentality of PL schools puts the success of those athletic programs at risk. The President and Board of trustees needs to double it's financial investment, but they won't because it would run counter to the purpose of the PL- provide a good enough product at the lowest cost to keep students, faculty,athletes, and the alumni happy and cut costs wherever possible. After all tuition increases are stealing from so many students and families the least they can do with this money is help student-athletes find a path to success.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2024 8:42:44 GMT -5
Stealing? So you see tuition as "theft." It is a shame that students do not get something back for that money...like an education.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 14, 2024 9:30:17 GMT -5
Staeling? So you see tuition as "theft." It is a shame that students do not get something back for that money...like an education. Tuition increases have definitely softened the ROI from an undergraduate education. 4 years of Holy Cross tuition when you went to school probably wouldn't cover a semester of room & board today.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 14, 2024 9:34:25 GMT -5
The roast beef au jus in Kimball might be more tender today however.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 14, 2024 9:44:27 GMT -5
The roast beef au jus in Kimball might be more tender today however. And it's tough to complain about the #1 salad bar in Worcester
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Post by mm67 on Apr 14, 2024 10:05:22 GMT -5
If memory serves, Room & Board $2,700+ per annum.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 14, 2024 10:09:17 GMT -5
Full cost next year tuition, room, board, insurance, fees, books and basic expenses will exceed $90k
You get a great education and life experience, but i would like to see the profit per student enrolled
My guess the cost is about $15k more than it needs to be. When so many families are struggling to make ends meet i do think colleges and universities are misbehaving with these charges.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 14, 2024 10:15:53 GMT -5
HC Tuition and room & board versus USA median individual income
1972-Spring of freshman year & fall of sophomore year
USA Median Individual Income= $5,000 HC Tuition Room & Board= $4,500 (that's my recollection of ballpark cost) Median income =1.1 X tuition room & board
Today USA median individual income= $50,000 (2023 figure HC Tuition room & board = $83,320 Median income= 1.67 X tuition room & board
I do know that tax rates and other factors come into play and that parents pay out of net income not gross income
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Post by mm67 on Apr 14, 2024 11:11:20 GMT -5
Of course widely available scholarship money ameliorates the cost but still...
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2024 11:19:56 GMT -5
Staeling? So you see tuition as "theft." It is a shame that students do not get something back for that money...like an education. Tuition increases have definitely softened the ROI from an undergraduate education. 4 years of Holy Cross tuition when you went to school probably wouldn't cover a semester of room & board today. Quite right, and the cost of living has not increased? Are those paid to run HC and teach its classes then thieves? I am afraid that sort of outlook can only cause hurt and harm. Does better faculty mean a lower ROI? I have never seen that. I don't know what a "softer" ROI means. Can you explain? I do seem to remember that in the Bible we hear that workman is worth his wage. There was no mention of ROI
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 14, 2024 11:39:33 GMT -5
Tuition increases have definitely softened the ROI from an undergraduate education. 4 years of Holy Cross tuition when you went to school probably wouldn't cover a semester of room & board today. Quite right, and the cost of living has not increased? Are those paid to run HC and teach its class then thieves? I am afraid that sort of outlook can only cause hurt and harm. Does better faculty mean a lower ROI? I have never seen that. I don't know what a "softer" ROI means. Can you explain?I do seem to remember that in the Bible we hear that workman is worth his wage. What I mean is that you have to pay a lot more now, adjusted for inflation, to attend Holy Cross. While the benefits of a Holy Cross education remain GREAT, the costs incurred by today's students (the INVESTMENT) are much higher to obtain that same return.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2024 11:47:58 GMT -5
Without looking at the reasons for the increase, which are not mentioned, that may not mean much by itself. HC does very well in studies of ROI - as, typically, do our graduates.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 14, 2024 11:58:45 GMT -5
Without looking at the reasons for the increase, which are not mentioned, that may not mean much by itself. HC does very well in studies of ROI - as, typically, do our graduates. Relative to other schools, where tuition prices are rising similar rates.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 14, 2024 12:10:55 GMT -5
I’ll bet that the College’s expenses have risen right in line with tuition. I’ll guess that we have many many more administrators than we had 50 years ago, many more “non-instructional” departments, etc. How does cost to run Prior Arts Center compare to its counterpart from 30 or 50 years ago?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 14, 2024 12:51:53 GMT -5
HC Tuition and room & board versus USA median individual income 1972-Spring of freshman year & fall of sophomore year USA Median Individual Income= $5,000 HC Tuition Room & Board= $4,500 (that's my recollection of ballpark cost) Median income =1.1 X tuition room & board Today USA median individual income= $50,000 (2023 figure HC Tuition room & board = $83,320 Median income= 1.67 X tuition room & board I do know that tax rates and other factors come into play and that parents pay out of net income not gross income Where are you getting these income numbers from? Median personal income in the U.S. in 2022 was $40,490. measured in current dollars. In 1974, tuition, room and board at BC totaled about $3,850. That would suggest that HC was about $3500-3600 in 1972. .
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 14, 2024 13:23:56 GMT -5
HC Tuition and room & board versus USA median individual income 1972-Spring of freshman year & fall of sophomore year USA Median Individual Income= $5,000 HC Tuition Room & Board= $4,500 (that's my recollection of ballpark cost) Median income =1.1 X tuition room & board Today USA median individual income= $50,000 (2023 figure HC Tuition room & board = $83,320 Median income= 1.67 X tuition room & board I do know that tax rates and other factors come into play and that parents pay out of net income not gross income Where are you getting these income numbers from? Median personal income in the U.S. in 2022 was $40,490. measured in current dollars. In 1974, tuition, room and board at BC totaled about $3,850. That would suggest that HC was about $3500-3600 in 1972. . I'm talking about Holy Cross, not bc I got the income numbers on line--there are probably a dozen sources each of which has different numbers than the others dqydj.com/individual-income-by-year/
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