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Post by efg72 on Apr 14, 2024 13:58:39 GMT -5
I’ll bet that the College’s expenses have risen right in line with tuition. I’ll guess that we have many many more administrators than we had 50 years ago, many more “non-instructional” departments, etc. How does cost to run Prior Arts Center compare to its counterpart from 30 or 50 years ago? Running an organization, either for-profit or non-profit, requires control of both your financial and human assets. We are in need of some surgical headcount reductions coupled with a three to five year freeze on the cost of tuition, room, and board along with a reallocation of resources.
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Post by football44 on Apr 14, 2024 15:08:43 GMT -5
I think this thread has gone off the rails. I attended the 1843LLC event last night and was impressed by the enthusiasm of the attendees and the support of the coaches. I’d encourage all posters to view the group’s website and consider participating in this endeavor. Thanks Breezy! It was great meeting you at the event. Thanks for your support.
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Post by football44 on Apr 14, 2024 17:14:10 GMT -5
It was great seeing Dharry at the event. Thanks for your support Dharry!
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Post by efg72 on Apr 14, 2024 17:44:02 GMT -5
Very few posts are aligned with the original thread
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Post by Xmassader on Apr 14, 2024 18:27:27 GMT -5
Very few posts are aligned with the original thread And, in line with efg72’s comment, I’m wondering if a poster attendee can share some insights obtained from the event.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 14, 2024 19:32:44 GMT -5
Tenure is a great discussion to have in the days ahead. Not sure i support it but willing to listen to experts so i can better understand its value to students and the institution. Guaranteeing employment sounds like a government job where it is nearly impossible to be dismissed.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2024 20:24:00 GMT -5
Tenured professors can be dismissed "for cause." That is the key. Of course, it requires their supervisors to keep track of their actual performance and to make a case for dismissal (or other punishment) if called for. However, TPTB used to dismiss faculty for any personal reason they could dream up, such as the need to hire a relative or to fire someone of a particular racial group, before tenure gave them some protection. Can it be abused, yes, but if supervisors do the job for which they are paid, abuse of the system Is more difficult.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 14, 2024 21:34:11 GMT -5
Tenure is a great discussion to have in the days ahead. Not sure i support it but willing to listen to experts so i can better understand its value to students and the institution. Guaranteeing employment sounds like a government job where it is nearly impossible to be dismissed. I attended a weekend symposium sponsored by the Religious Studies Department at Holy Cross about 15 years ago titled "A Church that can and can not change." Many of the speakers were Religious Studies professionals at other colleges and universities and I just made the assumption that one hand washed the other and Holy Cross professors and staff would have opportunities to be hired as speakers at other conferences and coined my own phrase "the Religious Studies Industrial Complex."🙂 I think tenured professors have plusses and minuses but the Professors can also be entrepreneurial so I don't think they need as much protection as say a coal miner. If HC can gain more flexibility and nimbleness to respond to changing conditions by reducing the amount of tenured professors I am fine with it.
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Post by mm67 on Apr 14, 2024 23:05:48 GMT -5
Tenure is an important building block to build& keep a first class faculty. It works to the benefit of students and the institution as well as the tenured faculty. Tenured teachers can be dismissed for cause(rgs318) but are entitled to due process as described in the contract. Also, those on tenure track receive medical coverage & a pension. I realize tenure is widely misunderstood and its importance to a learning institution is not fully appreciated by those in other fields. Would hope HC does not jump on the band wagon of hiring a majority of non-tenure track instructors. It certainly would not reflect well on the school.
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Post by sader1970 on Apr 15, 2024 4:45:00 GMT -5
Deleted my post about tenure. He wants to increase tenured faculty and believe I reversed the ratios. Again, had nothing to do with Meet the Coches, so just deleted.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 15, 2024 8:13:43 GMT -5
The provost is writing the strategic plan for the academic departments. This section of the overall strategic plan awaited the arrival of the new provost. I'll wager a goodly sum that the goals of more faculty, more endowed professorships, less reliance on visiting professors will be included in the academic powerhouse pillar of the strategic plan
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Post by hc17 on Apr 15, 2024 10:00:22 GMT -5
So how did the "Meet the Coaches" event go? What were the takeaways?
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 15, 2024 10:23:06 GMT -5
Deleted my post about tenure. He wants to increase tenured faculty and believe I reversed the ratios. Again, had nothing to do with Meet the Coches, so just deleted. I deleted my post based upon the assumption the Provost wanted to de-emphasize tenured profs. The deck could be stacked in favor of tenured professors if tenured professors make up a good percentage of those judging how good an institution is based on what percentage of professors are tenured. Big city fire and police unions tip their caps to tenured professors.🙂
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Post by trimster on Apr 15, 2024 10:23:26 GMT -5
See the thread on tenure.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Apr 15, 2024 10:32:42 GMT -5
So how did the "Meet the Coaches" event go? What were the takeaways? 44, DHarry and Breezy were all there. Each had some good observations. I’ll let them opine.
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Post by dharry13 on Apr 15, 2024 10:40:22 GMT -5
Curran is excited about the incoming class. I think he expects both Frosh QBs to compete for the #2 spot on the depth chart. Coach Curran stated he could see 2 DBs get decent playing time in this upcoming season. He mentioned Cason as needing to touch the ball as a true Frosh WR. Also you could see a DE get some time. WR, DE and DB will have a lot of competitive battles over the summer and the fall. The OL continues to be a strength and he mentioned McNair as having a very solid Spring. They are deep at LB - just have to figure out where to specifically put guys to maximize their strengths.
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Post by breezy on Apr 15, 2024 11:04:22 GMT -5
If I understood the discussions with the coaches, it is the coaches who will decide how to utilize any funds provided by the 1843 unit. This could be getting a type of equipment that would not otherwise be available or something akin to NIL money as needed for player retention. Everything goes through the coaches.
If I did not understand correctly, I’m happy to get told, either by public post or private message.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Apr 15, 2024 11:48:34 GMT -5
Curran is excited about the incoming class. I think he expects both Frosh QBs to compete for the #2 spot on the depth chart. Coach Curran stated he could see 2 DBs get decent playing time in this upcoming season. He mentioned Cason as needing to touch the ball as a true Frosh WR. Also you could see a DE get some time. WR, DE and DB will have a lot of competitive battles over the summer and the fall. The OL continues to be a strength and he mentioned McNair as having a very solid Spring. They are deep at LB - just have to figure out where to specifically put guys to maximize their strengths. WR and CB remarks are not surprising in the least. I still think a healthy Robinson, Ross and Reynolds are the core 3 man rotation at DE with Kane and Santee as edge OLB pass rushers in passing downs / distances. Very good news on McNair stepping up as the 1 RT.
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Post by dharry13 on Apr 15, 2024 13:17:03 GMT -5
And to clarify the above on QB. I didn't mean to say it would be one of the two Frosh who will be the #2 on the depth chart. What I meant was that both Frosh will compete with Frattura and Jenkins - so 4 players will be competing for that backup spot.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 15, 2024 13:23:04 GMT -5
If I understood the discussions with the coaches, it is the coaches who will decide how to utilize any funds provided by the 1843 unit. This could be getting a type of equipment that would not otherwise be available or something akin to NIL money as needed for player retention. Everything goes through the coaches. If I did not understand correctly, I’m happy to get told, either by public post or private message. The use for players or program needs makes a great deal of sense. If I recall the second part was the intent of the CAF but it moved from program support to a budget line item which was not supposed to happen. In chronological order, we now have three programs to support - 90 wide, the CAF, and 1843. All great initiatives to help the student-athletes and coaches representing our wonderful school.
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Post by football44 on Apr 15, 2024 13:27:33 GMT -5
If I understood the discussions with the coaches, it is the coaches who will decide how to utilize any funds provided by the 1843 unit. This could be getting a type of equipment that would not otherwise be available or something akin to NIL money as needed for player retention. Everything goes through the coaches. If I did not understand correctly, I’m happy to get told, either by public post or private message. No Breezy you are right on point. For those who view NIL as only "Pay to Play" that is not what the 1843 is all about. There are opportunities to help the programs with funding which may not be in their budgets but they need the money. That's where we come into play. It is strictly up to each coach to use the "Membership Funds" as they see fit. We are an additional financial support base for both football and men's basketball. The most important news coming out of the meeting to me was how much each coach stressed how much they needed this program to succeed. They are hearing how Fordham and others in the Patriot League have a "ROBUST" NIL program. So again for all that love and support HC football and HC men's basketball, go on the website and contribute to the fund. There a number of pay levels which makes it very affordable to become a member. Membership is growing and we'd love to have all of the voices on Crosssports to join.
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Post by lou on Apr 15, 2024 14:37:11 GMT -5
Nothing new here...Anyone who attended the coaches roadshow 2023 in NYC heard exactly the same thing from the panel of HC coaches, including baseball. When asked what you need most from those in attendance each one said $
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 15, 2024 15:16:27 GMT -5
If I understood the discussions with the coaches, it is the coaches who will decide how to utilize any funds provided by the 1843 unit. This could be getting a type of equipment that would not otherwise be available or something akin to NIL money as needed for player retention. Everything goes through the coaches. If I did not understand correctly, I’m happy to get told, either by public post or private message. Interesting and thank you, breezy. I was under the impression that all monies through 1843 would be going directly to the players on the team. I would think that equipment needs would be done through CAF.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 15, 2024 15:37:07 GMT -5
If I understood the discussions with the coaches, it is the coaches who will decide how to utilize any funds provided by the 1843 unit. This could be getting a type of equipment that would not otherwise be available or something akin to NIL money as needed for player retention. Everything goes through the coaches. If I did not understand correctly, I’m happy to get told, either by public post or private message. Interesting and thank you, breezy. I was under the impression that all monies through 1843 would be going directly to the players on the team. I would think that equipment needs would be done through CAF. SOV if the comments I am hearing are correct, the CAF dollars were tied to the sport selected, but that might not be the case today. Like all good intentions, once those dollars come into the system, they often find a new home and become a line item in the budget. At the beginning we were told that wouldn't happen, and the information I have received might be incorrect. So, if you have a good source within the Administration, I suggest you check with them.
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Post by woorat on Apr 15, 2024 16:02:34 GMT -5
CAF dollars do not sit in the operating budget, unless things have changed over the years. For those sports that have a lot of CAF dollars, I am sure they plan year to year for certain items. Back in the day, all items were purchased out of the operating budget. At year end, CAF dollars would cover any deficits. This might have changed after FAD Pine bankrupted the CAF. CAF dollars, like what was called Agency Funds carry over year to year. Operating Funds do not. Spend it or lose it. Your are correct when CAF funds are donated to a specific sport. But the CAF funds with no specific sport designation, are used at the discretion of the Athletic Director. NIL dollars and CAF dollars are apples and oranges
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