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Post by Tom on May 24, 2024 7:36:58 GMT -5
Attendance at the Hart Center dropped when we joined the Patriot League. Now is the time to look into possibly joining the A-10 a real good league and the fans will come back. Let's face it, the Patriot League does nothing for the basketball program, it hurts in recruiting and attendance, even the students stay back in the dorms. At the risk of introducing some facts, the fact is that the Holy Cross attendance for the first five years after joining the patriot league was significantly higher than it was for the final five years before they joined the league. Those were MAAC years. As CHC8485 has demonstrated on several occasions, the rise and fall in HC attendance is almost solely due to the team success on the court. HC has had a run of a number of years of mediocre coaching, coupled with mediocre facilities. That has led to mediocre results and declining attendance. I'm not sure I would describe the last 5 years as mediocre results. I wish I could say HC attained a mediocre level in that time span, but they didn't quite make it. Perhaps you were just being kind
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Post by CHC8485 on May 24, 2024 11:32:29 GMT -5
Following up on the above. HC average attendance for the last five years they were in the MAAC was 1809. Their average attendance for the first five years in the patriot league was 2406. That is a 33% increase. Only good team the last 5 years in the MAAC was 89-90. Next 3 years were pretty good, culminating in the 92-93 NCAA team. Next two years the team held its own (thanks, Mr. Feaster). Having said that, I'd have to say that the increase was due to winning; you'd have to show me some apples-to-apples attendance numbers for league games in each league (and 3 of the league opponents were the same in each league). Out of town for the long weekend and don’t have access to attendance & win pct. chart I keep that goes back to the late 70’s. Clear correlation between winning and attendance. Haven’t updated it in a couple of years. Will update when I get home later this weekend and try to post by Monday evening.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 24, 2024 11:44:45 GMT -5
The students certainly cared in 2003 when they all showed up almost 2 hours before the start of the PL championship game against AU.
Unfortunately, even aside from the lack of winning, so much has changed in the last 20 years. You can check out crowds from almost any game on youtube from that timeframe, and you won't find the majority of eyeballs glued to cell phones like you see today. And who knows what long term damage to attendance (not speaking just of HC) might occur from the Pay for Play aspect of the sport.
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Post by hchoops on May 24, 2024 12:08:25 GMT -5
NOt only students were at the Hart two hours before tipoff
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Post by Tom on May 24, 2024 13:06:40 GMT -5
The students certainly cared in 2003 when they all showed up almost 2 hours before the start of the PL championship game against AU. Unfortunately, even aside from the lack of winning, so much has changed in the last 20 years. You can check out crowds from almost any game on youtube from that timeframe, and you won't find the majority of eyeballs glued to cell phones like you see today. And who knows what long term damage to attendance (not speaking just of HC) might occur from the Pay for Play aspect of the sport. Another change in the demographic is the demise of the traditional newspaper. When HC was going good in the 2003 era, the average sports fan in Worcester County was aware of what was going on because it was a lead story in the Telegram's sports page. I don't know how that average sports fan would know if HC had a 25 win season or a 5 win season. We know because we choose to actively look for that information in various places. In the olden days we could passively receive information. HC can put all kinds of info out on Twitter etc, but you have to follow HC to get it
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 24, 2024 15:17:31 GMT -5
The students certainly cared in 2003 when they all showed up almost 2 hours before the start of the PL championship game against AU. Unfortunately, even aside from the lack of winning, so much has changed in the last 20 years. You can check out crowds from almost any game on youtube from that timeframe, and you won't find the majority of eyeballs glued to cell phones like you see today. And who knows what long term damage to attendance (not speaking just of HC) might occur from the Pay for Play aspect of the sport. Back then cell phones were exactly that. PHONES. To call people. There was no scrolling, no constant web and social media surfing. It's amazing how much smart phones have taken over our world even since I was in college from 2006-2010. The original iPhone came out I think spring of my freshman year and the Blackberry was the biggest thing my sophomore and junior year for the handful of people who had them.
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Post by trimster on May 24, 2024 18:26:46 GMT -5
The students certainly cared in 2003 when they all showed up almost 2 hours before the start of the PL championship game against AU. Unfortunately, even aside from the lack of winning, so much has changed in the last 20 years. You can check out crowds from almost any game on youtube from that timeframe, and you won't find the majority of eyeballs glued to cell phones like you see today. And who knows what long term damage to attendance (not speaking just of HC) might occur from the Pay for Play aspect of the sport. Back then cell phones were exactly that. PHONES. To call people. There was no scrolling, no constant web and social media surfing. It's amazing how much smart phones have taken over our world even since I was in college from 2006-2010. The original iPhone came out I think spring of my freshman year and the Blackberry was the biggest thing my sophomore and junior year for the handful of people who had them. Smart phones are good and bad and maybe I am being overly pessimistic but I think overall, they have been negative for society. I think there are some young people who refuse to even have a conversation; all they want to do is text. We have created a lot of keyboard warriors who hide behind their anonymity and gratuitously attack/degrade people. Psychologists and doctors who treat carpel tunnel must have more work than they can handle. I carry a flip phone, well most of the time, basically in case of an emergency. I don't feel like I am missing a thing without a smart phone.
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Post by timholycross on May 26, 2024 18:09:49 GMT -5
Back then cell phones were exactly that. PHONES. To call people. There was no scrolling, no constant web and social media surfing. It's amazing how much smart phones have taken over our world even since I was in college from 2006-2010. The original iPhone came out I think spring of my freshman year and the Blackberry was the biggest thing my sophomore and junior year for the handful of people who had them. Smart phones are good and bad and maybe I am being overly pessimistic but I think overall, they have been negative for society. I think there are some young people who refuse to even have a conversation; all they want to do is text. We have created a lot of keyboard warriors who hide behind their anonymity and gratuitously attack/degrade people. Psychologists and doctors who treat carpel tunnel must have more work than they can handle. I carry a flip phone, well most of the time, basically in case of an emergency. I don't feel like I am missing a thing without a smart phone. How old is it and how do you keep it working (not like there's anything to buy to replace it, is there?)....other than that, respect your attitude and discipline.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 26, 2024 18:39:35 GMT -5
I think old fashioned “flip phones” , I.e. not “smart phones”, are still readily available
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Post by chicago77 on May 26, 2024 21:39:39 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 26, 2024 22:30:13 GMT -5
It was a lot more possible to resist smart phones up until about 4 or 5 years ago. Now you can't have/use tickets to a professional sporting event or concert without one. Most jobs require you to have one or multiple apps on your phone to perform certain basic duties. You can't scan QR codes without one.
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Post by sader1970 on May 27, 2024 5:35:16 GMT -5
In order to use GPS mapping, in my car, I have to use my IPhone.🤷🏻♂️
In today’s driving navigation, that’s critical when going to an unfamiliar location. Tells when there are back ups, accidents and alternative directions when necessary.
And a lot safer than using a printed map if they even exist anymore.
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Post by rgs318 on May 27, 2024 6:56:05 GMT -5
They exist and some swear by them, especially visual learners. My wife picks up a new one every time we pass a state welcome area.
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Post by DiMarz on May 27, 2024 8:00:08 GMT -5
In order to use GPS mapping, in my car, I have to use my IPhone.🤷🏻♂️ In today’s driving navigation, that’s critical when going to an unfamiliar location. Tells when there are back ups, accidents and alternative directions when necessary. And a lot safer than using a printed map if they even exist anymore. Yes! I use Waze on my phone, connected to ApplePlay. So much easier than printed maps! We recently rented a car in Phoenix, the rental company gave us a paper state map.It is nice to look at the old style map when planning day trips! I used state maps, paper, about12 years ago when I was teaching. Most students couldn’t find the town the school was in in less than a minute!
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Post by hchoops on May 27, 2024 8:04:53 GMT -5
Hoops schedule discussion ?
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Post by ts1970 on May 27, 2024 9:00:50 GMT -5
Back then cell phones were exactly that. PHONES. To call people. There was no scrolling, no constant web and social media surfing. It's amazing how much smart phones have taken over our world even since I was in college from 2006-2010. The original iPhone came out I think spring of my freshman year and the Blackberry was the biggest thing my sophomore and junior year for the handful of people who had them. Smart phones are good and bad and maybe I am being overly pessimistic but I think overall, they have been negative for society. I think there are some young people who refuse to even have a conversation; all they want to do is text. We have created a lot of keyboard warriors who hide behind their anonymity and gratuitously attack/degrade people. Psychologists and doctors who treat carpel tunnel must have more work than they can handle. I carry a flip phone, well most of the time, basically in case of an emergency. I don't feel like I am missing a thing without a smart phone. We get along fine with our flip phone and mini ipad. Wifi is ubiquitous. Don’t want or need an iphone so far.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 27, 2024 20:05:58 GMT -5
Back then cell phones were exactly that. PHONES. To call people. There was no scrolling, no constant web and social media surfing. It's amazing how much smart phones have taken over our world even since I was in college from 2006-2010. The original iPhone came out I think spring of my freshman year and the Blackberry was the biggest thing my sophomore and junior year for the handful of people who had them. Smart phones are good and bad and maybe I am being overly pessimistic but I think overall, they have been negative for society. I think there are some young people who refuse to even have a conversation; all they want to do is text. We have created a lot of keyboard warriors who hide behind their anonymity and gratuitously attack/degrade people. Psychologists and doctors who treat carpel tunnel must have more work than they can handle. I carry a flip phone, well most of the time, basically in case of an emergency. I don't feel like I am missing a thing without a smart phone. Well that is your opinion...
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Post by purplehaze on May 28, 2024 19:50:04 GMT -5
Not nec for separate thread but worth noting the updated 24-25 roster is up with pics of the newcomers
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 30, 2024 8:58:11 GMT -5
The newbies are really going to need to hit the weight room.....
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Post by Tom on May 30, 2024 10:05:16 GMT -5
The newbies are really going to need to hit the weight room..... On some other thread, people were putting a newbie as a starting 4. I commented at the time that most of the newbies are a little lean to be mixing it up down low. On an unrelated updated roster note, it might take me a while to tell Feroah and Green apart. From those photos, they kind of look alike
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Post by sader1970 on May 30, 2024 10:44:46 GMT -5
Add Green to that duo and you'd have triplets separated at birth for my money. I'll have them figured out by March, 2025 +/-.
Then you've got the apparently popular name Declan. DP: "Declan, get out there!" "Uh, which one, coach?"
Hopefully all have better hearing than I do when coach calls for "Aidan" or "Jaiden".
Suppose no worse than in my day when you might have 3 Johns or Toms or Bills on the team.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 30, 2024 12:02:56 GMT -5
Speaking of names, while we have two Declans on our basketball team, of the 23,000+ men who have played Major League Baseball there has been only one Declan, our Declan Cronin.
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Post by longsuffering on May 30, 2024 15:10:32 GMT -5
Add Green to that duo and you'd have triplets separated at birth for my money. I'll have them figured out by March, 2025 +/-. Then you've got the apparently popular name Declan. DP: " Declan, get out there!" "Uh, which one, coach?" Hopefully all have better hearing than I do when coach calls for "Aidan" or "Jaiden". Suppose no worse than in my day when you might have 3 Johns or Toms or Bills on the team. Or the coach says "the last guy to make the team is Fitzy" and Fitzgerald, Fitzpatrick and Fitzsimmons all start jumping up and down.
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Post by rf1 on May 31, 2024 17:12:25 GMT -5
The Holy Cross game with PC could be in a bit of jeopardy. Creighton dropped out of the Battle for Atlantis to play in a Las Vegas NIL event. The Friars have in turn taken their place in Atlantis and dropped out of the Mohegan Sun tournament. The Battle for Atlantis has far better competition - Arizona, Davidson, Gonzaga, Indiana, Louisville, Oklahoma, and West Virginia. The Mohegan tourney had UMass, BC, and Temple. As I indicated earlier in this thread, PC had concerns about its SOS and this will very much help address it. PC has to now scramble to rearrange its OOC schedule as the dates of the tournaments are different. The date that had been originally set for the game with HC might be affected.
It would appear that Boston College had second thoughts about the Mohegan Sun Tournament after Providence dropped out. Word is the Eagles have withdrawn from the event. Leaves just UMass and Temple with two open slots for teams.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 1, 2024 16:36:17 GMT -5
This gives HC a hole big enough to drive a truck through. Both Temple and UMass would be highlighted on the schedule as a regular OOC game and most likely would be away games. Both at a neutral court is a terrific opportunity. And the Casino should have money to pay HC's expenses. I hope Dave and Kit try to get in and hope the tourney doesn't just get canceled. Temple and UMass are old rivals.
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