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Post by unhfan on Jul 3, 2024 8:26:06 GMT -5
Holy Cross is scheduled to participate in a MTE at Brown with Brown, Sacred Heart and UNH.
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Post by Crosser on Jul 3, 2024 8:36:02 GMT -5
It would be nice if HC could win this one. I don’t think we’ve done that in a while.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 3, 2024 8:39:42 GMT -5
It would be nice if HC could win this one. I don’t think we’ve done that in a while. Not always a clear 3-0 winner of MTEs, which are not tournaments. 2-1 may suffice
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Post by Tom on Jul 3, 2024 8:45:42 GMT -5
Holy Cross is scheduled to participate in a MTE at Brown with Brown, Sacred Heart and UNH. Selfishly speaking, I like road games that are a makeable drive from HC. Unfortunately, there is little chance NAD or HCFC45 will be allowed into Brown on consecutive days
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Post by timholycross on Jul 3, 2024 8:57:52 GMT -5
The Yankee Conference was not non-scholarship. I was offered a full grant in aid scholarship by several schools. The Ivies, however, only offered scholarships based on “need.” IIRC, in the late 1960’s there was a push on campus by several faculty members to eliminate athletic grants in aid, spearheaded by Prof. Vincent McBrien. Holy Cross joining the Yankee Conference was a cost cutting decision to provide athletic aid based on need. Page 12, of the September 24, 1971 edition of “The Crusader”, provides the rationale for HC entering the Yankee Conference. “The most attractive piece of bait, which lured HC into the YC, is the interest of the Yankee Conference officials in awarding athletic grants in aid, on the basis of need, rather than the basis of ability.” crossworks.holycross.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2602&context=crusaderSometime after 1973, the Yankee Conference reversed that decision and began awarding athletic scholarships based on ability, not financial need. yankeeconference.comBut the YC never actually did that. Nor did HC until the PL transition. Sending our minor sports teams out to play much larger state universities turned out to be a disaster. The ink was barely dry on Ron Perry's contract when HC pulled out. Ruined Jack D's last recruiting class or two and might have had something to do with Stacom leaving.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 3, 2024 9:13:00 GMT -5
IIRC, in the late 1960’s there was a push on campus by several faculty members to eliminate athletic grants in aid, spearheaded by Prof. Vincent McBrien. Holy Cross joining the Yankee Conference was a cost cutting decision to provide athletic aid based on need. Page 12, of the September 24, 1971 edition of “The Crusader”, provides the rationale for HC entering the Yankee Conference. “The most attractive piece of bait, which lured HC into the YC, is the interest of the Yankee Conference officials in awarding athletic grants in aid, on the basis of need, rather than the basis of ability.” crossworks.holycross.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2602&context=crusaderSometime after 1973, the Yankee Conference reversed that decision and began awarding athletic scholarships based on ability, not financial need. yankeeconference.comBut the YC never actually did that. Nor did HC until the PL transition. Sending our minor sports teams out to play much larger state universities turned out to be a disaster. The ink was barely dry on Ron Perry's contract when HC pulled out. Ruined Jack D's last recruiting class or two and might have had something to do with Stacom leaving. Bingo. The concept of FB and or BB having their own conferences like hockey often does (Chip Kelly idea?) Is intriguing for a Holy Cross type D-1 school with a split scholarship approach: Maximum athletic scholarships in selected sports and no or minimum athletic scholarships in most sports.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 3, 2024 9:19:18 GMT -5
Please switch to football thread
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 3, 2024 14:07:27 GMT -5
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 4, 2024 4:36:54 GMT -5
Holy Cross is scheduled to participate in a MTE at Brown with Brown, Sacred Heart and UNH. Selfishly speaking, I like road games that are a makeable drive from HC. Unfortunately, there is little chance NAD or HCFC45 will be allowed into Brown on consecutive days Are you kidding? So now we have to come up with 3 different disguises to get in their crummy barn? Geesh.... Outside of that, although the proximity is nice, for MTE events I would rather see games against teams we are not used to playing, from different conferences around the country. So, if they are playing in a MTE, they should have 13 non conference games. I think this is what we know of right now. @wisconsin @virginia @siena @maine @the Q @uri Central Ct Harvard @brown MTE @sacred Heart MTE @unh MTE That would leave 2 games remaining, hopefully both at home. Hmmm, I smell a non D1 game or 2 coming.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 4, 2024 5:24:04 GMT -5
I’m not supposed to say anything publicly but all these RI games in football and basketball are Dan and Dave’s way of making my travel schedule a little easier as I age.
See, in Rhode Island we have an expression, “I know a guy” and helps when you know the football and basketball coach. I’m kidding, it’s because the Associate AD is from Rhode Island. (That’s a joke too - happy Independence Day)
As for Brown, the school’s statute of limitation on NAD has run on the charge of his boorish behavior of loudly cheering for an opponent. He may not be welcomed but he will be permitted to attend games there.
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Post by trimster on Jul 4, 2024 7:46:15 GMT -5
Selfishly speaking, I like road games that are a makeable drive from HC. Unfortunately, there is little chance NAD or HCFC45 will be allowed into Brown on consecutive days Are you kidding? So now we have to come up with 3 different disguises to get in their crummy barn? Geesh.... Outside of that, although the proximity is nice, for MTE events I would rather see games against teams we are not used to playing, from different conferences around the country. So, if they are playing in a MTE, they should have 13 non conference games. I think this is what we know of right now. @wisconsin @virginia @siena @maine @the Q @uri Central Ct Harvard @brown MTE @sacred Heart MTE @unh MTE That would leave 2 games remaining, hopefully both at home. Hmmm, I smell a non D1 game or 2 coming. Pretty light on the traveling. The MTE is probably appropriate for a very young team.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 4, 2024 9:30:17 GMT -5
Selfishly speaking, I like road games that are a makeable drive from HC. Unfortunately, there is little chance NAD or HCFC45 will be allowed into Brown on consecutive days Are you kidding? So now we have to come up with 3 different disguises to get in their crummy barn? Geesh.... Outside of that, although the proximity is nice, for MTE events I would rather see games against teams we are not used to playing, from different conferences around the country. So, if they are playing in a MTE, they should have 13 non conference games. I think this is what we know of right now. @wisconsin @virginia @siena @maine @the Q @uri Central Ct Harvard @brown MTE @sacred Heart MTE @unh MTE That would leave 2 games remaining, hopefully both at home. Hmmm, I smell a non D1 game or 2 coming. m Brown's gym isn't much different than the Hart. Both are meh buildings to me. Same could be said about Northeastern's gym (not Matthews), Case at BU, Harvard, Vermont, Central Conn, etc. they are just boring gyms.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 4, 2024 9:39:25 GMT -5
1. Having been to both Brown's home court and many times to Hart, nah, they are not the same. Pretty sure the Brown folks would agree that Hart is a better building to watch a game. 2. If all these places are boring, presumably you go because you have to for work. I will say a prayer that you are close to retirement and won't have to suffer these places anymore and will find a new-found peace in your life which will have the side benefit of annoying others less.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 4, 2024 9:41:13 GMT -5
These gyms are all paid for, which is the ultimate in boring.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 6, 2024 18:57:51 GMT -5
These gyms are all paid for, which is the ultimate in boring. Yep and the reason why Fairfield isn't boring with all the bells and whistles. 👍
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Post by cmo on Jul 7, 2024 14:32:56 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 7, 2024 16:58:44 GMT -5
Can't tell whether he means the BC basketball team is lousy or the Conte Forum is getting long in the tooth.
Regarding Conte, the inference is that affable Congressman Silvio Conte, along with Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill, who has the BC library named for him, took care of Alma Mater. I think that type of name recognition would be more controversial today.
The Hart Center is ten years older than Conte Forum. Perhaps one arena for both hockey and basketball at HC would have allowed for a larger venue with more amenities, but at 46(?) years old both Hart Arenas are still functional and large enough for almost any crowd. There hasn't been a sellout at either arena since______?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 7, 2024 18:06:12 GMT -5
The Hart Arenas will be 49 years old this upcoming basketball and hockey seasons.
FIRST GAME: Holy Cross defeated Loyola (Md.) 94-85 on December 1, 1975.
Holy Cross has had numerous standing room only crowds of 4,000, the last coming on March 9, 2007, against Bucknell.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 7, 2024 20:08:37 GMT -5
The Hart Arenas will be 49 years old this upcoming basketball and hockey seasons. FIRST GAME: Holy Cross defeated Loyola (Md.) 94-85 on December 1, 1975. Holy Cross has had numerous standing room only crowds of 4,000, the last coming on March 9, 2007, against Bucknell. Thanks. So Potter and Vicens closed down the Worcester Auditorium as freshmen and opened the Hart as sophomores. Then RP, jr. arrived the next season and HC was off to the races.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 7, 2024 22:42:53 GMT -5
Can't tell whether he means the BC basketball team is lousy or the Conte Forum is getting long in the tooth. Regarding Conte, the inference is that affable Congressman Silvio Conte, along with Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill, who has the BC library named for him, took care of Alma Mater. I think that type of name recognition would be more controversial today. The Hart Center is ten years older than Conte Forum. Perhaps one arena for both hockey and basketball at HC would have allowed for a larger venue with more amenities, but at 46(?) years old both Hart Arenas are still functional and large enough for almost any crowd. There hasn't been a sellout at either arena since______? Hockey team had some sellouts in the last couple of seasons...
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Post by rf1 on Jul 8, 2024 7:38:12 GMT -5
Brown's gym isn't much different than the Hart. Both are meh buildings to me. Same could be said about Northeastern's gym (not Matthews), Case at BU, Harvard, Vermont, Central Conn, etc. they are just boring gyms.
The Hart Center is much nicer than Brown's Pizzitola Center (opened 1989).
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Post by trimster on Jul 8, 2024 8:12:40 GMT -5
The D1 docket now shows Rhody and UVA on the schedule with dates TBD. Now at 26 games.
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Post by Ignutz on Jul 8, 2024 11:31:07 GMT -5
The Hart Arenas will be 49 years old this upcoming basketball and hockey seasons. FIRST GAME: Holy Cross defeated Loyola (Md.) 94-85 on December 1, 1975. Holy Cross has had numerous standing room only crowds of 4,000, the last coming on March 9, 2007, against Bucknell. Thanks. So Potter and Vicens closed down the Worcester Auditorium as freshmen and opened the Hart as sophomores. Then RP, jr. arrived the next season and HC was off to the races. HC was off to the races starting in December 1974 with Potter, Vicens, Doran, Carballiera, and others. With a win at Curry Hicks Cage, a one-point loss on a heavily-contested layup at Providence and a January win at BC (followed by a stolen victory at ND), and, with all due respect to Ronnie, were well off to the races prior to his arrival.
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Post by trimster on Jul 8, 2024 11:49:39 GMT -5
Thanks. So Potter and Vicens closed down the Worcester Auditorium as freshmen and opened the Hart as sophomores. Then RP, jr. arrived the next season and HC was off to the races. HC was off to the races starting in December 1974 with Potter, Vicens, Doran, Carballiera, and others. With a win at Curry Hicks Cage, a one-point loss on a heavily-contested layup at Providence and a January win at BC (followed by a stolen victory at ND), and, with all due respect to Ronnie, were well off to the races prior to his arrival. That they were. Add Halsey, Dee, McAuley and Downey to your list. It was a magical year. I believe HC was the most improved D1 team in the country from the prior year. BTW, didn't Adrian Dantley take something 24 free throws in the ND game?
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 8, 2024 12:03:26 GMT -5
Thanks. So Potter and Vicens closed down the Worcester Auditorium as freshmen and opened the Hart as sophomores. Then RP, jr. arrived the next season and HC was off to the races. HC was off to the races starting in December 1974 with Potter, Vicens, Doran, Carballiera, and others. With a win at Curry Hicks Cage, a one-point loss on a heavily-contested layup at Providence and a January win at BC (followed by a stolen victory at ND), and, with all due respect to Ronnie, were well off to the races prior to his arrival. Thanks. I get a little fuzzy remembering details about those years but have wonderful memories of watching HC win the Colonial Classic at the Boston Garden when it was pretty much the New England championship and a close loss in the ECAC playoffs at the Providence Civic Center during that era. Then Dave Gavitt had to have his bright idea to put the Eastern Independents into a league.🤨
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