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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 8, 2024 14:41:24 GMT -5
Brown's gym isn't much different than the Hart. Both are meh buildings to me. Same could be said about Northeastern's gym (not Matthews), Case at BU, Harvard, Vermont, Central Conn, etc. they are just boring gyms.
The Hart Center is much nicer than Brown's Pizzitola Center (opened 1989).
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 8, 2024 14:44:01 GMT -5
HC was off to the races starting in December 1974 with Potter, Vicens, Doran, Carballiera, and others. With a win at Curry Hicks Cage, a one-point loss on a heavily-contested layup at Providence and a January win at BC (followed by a stolen victory at ND), and, with all due respect to Ronnie, were well off to the races prior to his arrival. Thanks. I get a little fuzzy remembering details about those years but have wonderful memories of watching HC win the Colonial Classic at the Boston Garden when it was pretty much the New England championship and a close loss in the ECAC playoffs at the Providence Civic Center during that era. Then Dave Gavitt had to have his bright idea to put the Eastern Independents into a league.🤨 It should be fuzzy since it was 50 years ago now. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 8, 2024 15:03:36 GMT -5
HC was off to the races starting in December 1974 with Potter, Vicens, Doran, Carballiera, and others. With a win at Curry Hicks Cage, a one-point loss on a heavily-contested layup at Providence and a January win at BC (followed by a stolen victory at ND), and, with all due respect to Ronnieyour memory , were well off to the races prior to his arrival. That they were. Add Halsey, Dee, McAuley and Downey to your list. It was a magical year. I believe HC was the most improved D1 team in the country from the prior year. BTW, didn't Adrian Dantley take something 24 free throws in the ND game? My brother , a Holy Cross grad, was a grad student at ND then and attended that game. Dantley spent the entire game on the foul line - I was thinking 26 free throws but your memory of24 is probably better than mine. Dantley was a great player and drew a lot of fouls. He averaged 11 free throw attempts per game that season but the 24 or 26 seems excessive |
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 8, 2024 17:22:49 GMT -5
The Hart Center is much nicer than Brown's Pizzitola Center (opened 1989).
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Post by nextmanup on Jul 8, 2024 17:54:07 GMT -5
Browns gym is lifeless.
When the Hart is rocking it’s as good as any arena in the New England area including high majors. Unfortunately, it’s been a while. Maybe since that Bucknell game when ultimate warrior AK34 was bleeding from the face screaming at the crowd.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 8, 2024 18:06:34 GMT -5
Browns gym is lifeless. When the Hart is rocking it’s as good as any arena in the New England area including high majors. Unfortunately, it’s been a while. Maybe since that Bucknell game when ultimate warrior AK34 was bleeding from the face screaming at the crowd. Last sellout was the Boston U. game in January 2017. Winter Homecoming and we hung the 2016 championship banner. The last time the Hart was really ROCKING for a game was probably January 2011 against Bucknell. Loudest I ever remember for a regular season game. Was that the game where AK was bleeding or was that the Flannery meltdown game in 2008? |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 8, 2024 18:43:10 GMT -5
AK34 what a warrior. Living in Louisville I cannot get to many games but one Xmas break we played at Ohio U in Athens Ohio, east of Cincy. My daughter, HC 2009, and I drove up to the game. We had great seats maybe 8 rows behind HC bench. At one point AK 34 was taking a fouk shot- he missed the shot but dove on the floor and ripped the rebound out of the hands of an Ohio U opponent. Lebron James could not have taken that ball away from Andrew Keister. That confirmed for me what a special player he was.
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Post by Xmassader on Jul 9, 2024 0:07:14 GMT -5
That they were. Add Halsey, Dee, McAuley and Downey to your list. It was a magical year. I believe HC was the most improved D1 team in the country from the prior year. BTW, didn't Adrian Dantley take something 24 free throws in the ND game? My brother , a Holy Cross grad, was a grad student at ND then and attended that game. Dantley spent the entire game on the foul line - I was thinking 26 free throws but your memory of24 is probably better than mine. Dantley was a great player and drew a lot of fouls. He averaged 11 free throw attempts per game that season but the 24 or 26 seems excessive Despite the loss, one of my favorite HC games of all time. After graduating in 1970 and living 700 miles from HC, I had not seen the hoopers play since the Holiday Festival @ Christmas of 1970. During the ensuing 4 years, Stacom left, King Gaskins came and went and HC suffered back to back losing seasons in ‘72-‘73 and ‘73-‘74 in GB’s first 2 yrs. at the helm, two of only 3 losing seasons since the end of WWII. So I was pleasantly surprised when we got off to a good start in ‘74-‘75. Made the relatively short drive to South Bend and saw a Crusader team that was the aggressor, something we seldom were during JD’s tenure. In that game, we pressed ND constantly and created numerous turnovers. Chris Potter made not one but two of his amazing steals of a baseline inbounds pass that the inbounder threw like a baseball. Game was a TOTAL home job. GB got tossed…only game from which he was ejected in 22 yrs. as HC head coach. Midway thru the second half, we got down by 9 primarily due to the officiating. It was so bad that even the ND fans around me were hushed, acknowledging the one-sidedness of it. At that point, the game turned and we came back to take the lead with under two minutes to go and ended up losing by 6. Seeing the style of play and the talent of Vicens and Potter (Fire and Ice), I could see a bright future ahead. This upcoming season will be the 50th season since then. What memories! I feel badly for the posters and alums who never saw Vicens and Potter play. Their years were probably the zenith of HC hoops since the Buster Sheary days in the early ‘50s. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 9, 2024 2:29:01 GMT -5
The Pizz looks like a former warehouse where they decided to plop some bleachers in so they could play some ball.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jul 9, 2024 6:39:07 GMT -5
The Hart Center is much nicer than Brown's Pizzitola Center (opened 1989).
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 9, 2024 7:48:59 GMT -5
Having been to Harvard, Yale, Brown for football and basketball games and Princeton for football, I don’t believe any of those Ivies athletic facilities match up positively with Holy Cross’.
Of course that’s because those schools prioritize academics over athletics. 😘
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Post by hchoops on Jul 9, 2024 8:03:11 GMT -5
My brother , a Holy Cross grad, was a grad student at ND then and attended that game. Dantley spent the entire game on the foul line - I was thinking 26 free throws but your memory of24 is probably better than mine. Dantley was a great player and drew a lot of fouls. He averaged 11 free throw attempts per game that season but the 24 or 26 seems excessive Despite the loss, one of my favorite HC games of all time. After graduating in 1970 and living 700 miles from HC, I had not seen the hoopers play since the Holiday Festival @ Christmas of 1970. During the ensuing 4 years, Stacom left, King Gaskins came and went and HC suffered back to back losing seasons in ‘72-‘73 and ‘73-‘74 in GB’s first 2 yrs. at the helm, two of only 3 losing seasons since the end of WWII. So I was pleasantly surprised when we got off to a good start in ‘74-‘75. Made the relatively short drive to South Bend and saw a Crusader team that was the aggressor, something we seldom were during JD’s tenure. In that game, we pressed ND constantly and created numerous turnovers. Chris Potter made not one but two of his amazing steals of a baseline inbounds pass that the inbounder threw like a baseball. Game was a TOTAL home job. GB got tossed…only game from which he was ejected in 22 yrs. as HC head coach. Midway thru the second half, we got down by 9 primarily due to the officiating. It was so bad that even the ND fans around me were hushed, acknowledging the one-sidedness of it. At that point, the game turned and we came back to take the lead with under two minutes to go and ended up losing by 6. Seeing the style of play and the talent of Vicens and Potter (Fire and Ice), I could see a bright future ahead. This upcoming season will be the 50th season since then. What memories! I feel badly for the posters and alums who never saw Vicens and Potter play. Their years were probably the zenith of HC hoops since the Buster Sheary days in the early ‘50s. What an exceptional memory ! |
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Post by CHC8485 on Jul 9, 2024 8:10:47 GMT -5
If you're going to say the Pizz is basically the same as the Hart Center, then both are also "about the same" as Assembly Hall at IU.  |
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Post by nhteamer on Jul 9, 2024 9:15:33 GMT -5
Despite the loss, one of my favorite HC games of all time. After graduating in 1970 and living 700 miles from HC, I had not seen the hoopers play since the Holiday Festival @ Christmas of 1970. During the ensuing 4 years, Stacom left, King Gaskins came and went and HC suffered back to back losing seasons in ‘72-‘73 and ‘73-‘74 in GB’s first 2 yrs. at the helm, two of only 3 losing seasons since the end of WWII. So I was pleasantly surprised when we got off to a good start in ‘74-‘75. Made the relatively short drive to South Bend and saw a Crusader team that was the aggressor, something we seldom were during JD’s tenure. In that game, we pressed ND constantly and created numerous turnovers. Chris Potter made not one but two of his amazing steals of a baseline inbounds pass that the inbounder threw like a baseball. Game was a TOTAL home job. GB got tossed…only game from which he was ejected in 22 yrs. as HC head coach. Midway thru the second half, we got down by 9 primarily due to the officiating. It was so bad that even the ND fans around me were hushed, acknowledging the one-sidedness of it. At that point, the game turned and we came back to take the lead with under two minutes to go and ended up losing by 6. Seeing the style of play and the talent of Vicens and Potter (Fire and Ice), I could see a bright future ahead. This upcoming season will be the 50th season since then. What memories! I feel badly for the posters and alums who never saw Vicens and Potter play. Their years were probably the zenith of HC hoops since the Buster Sheary days in the early ‘50s. What an exceptional memory ! I was at that ND game and had a fake photographer pass so I was on the floor. Absolutely the worst thievery ever. Literally depressing. ND had no shame; took the W and scooted. A complete disgrace .....and then we had to drive back to Worcester. |
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Post by hchoops on Jul 9, 2024 9:19:42 GMT -5
Scroll to the box score for that UND game. Some observations: 1- Dantley took as many FTs as did HC 2- We had 5 techs. Just as rare as GB’s ejection ( 3 techs) was the T on mild mannered Potter 3- We shot a terrific 57 FG % 4- the box score did not include the ND graduating years of the refs fightingirish.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/1974-75-Box-Scores.pdf |
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 9, 2024 9:58:57 GMT -5
Time to trot out my old Jack Donohue story (again):
Jack was trying to get ND to come to Worcester for a game. Not sure if he was offering a home & home, but he was not only refused, it was done with attitude. Jack’s response: “Oh, I’m sorry, you must have mistaken me for the football coach.”
To this day, I found Jack to be the funniest story teller that I’ve ever heard. Better than Flip Wilson! 😂
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Post by Tom on Jul 9, 2024 10:37:27 GMT -5
Time to trot out my old Jack Donohue story (again): Jack was trying to get ND to come to Worcester for a game. Not sure if he was offering a home & home, but he was not only refused, it was done with attitude. Jack’s response: “Oh, I’m sorry, you must have mistaken me for the football coach.” To this day, I found Jack to be the funniest story teller that I’ve ever heard. Better than Flip Wilson! 😂 Notre Dame did eventually show up. They were one of the earlier teams to play HC at the Centrum |
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 9, 2024 10:38:13 GMT -5
I remember his story about Calvin Murphy. After Calvin's interview with Jack, the coach said, "There's just one more thing I need to know, Calvin. That's the college boards." Calvin said, "No problem there coach I can get right over the rim on college boards too." That was when Jack said that he knew Calvin would not be a Crusader.  |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 9, 2024 11:07:59 GMT -5
I went to a few sessions with Jack Donahue while he was coach my freshman year- an incredibly funny man. I recall talking with one of our players another time who said that when Jack was recruiting him and picked him up to go out to dinner the player did not stop laughing for the entire night.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 9, 2024 11:34:33 GMT -5
Time to trot out my old Jack Donohue story (again): Jack was trying to get ND to come to Worcester for a game. Not sure if he was offering a home & home, but he was not only refused, it was done with attitude. Jack’s response: “Oh, I’m sorry, you must have mistaken me for the football coach.” To this day, I found Jack to be the funniest story teller that I’ve ever heard. Better than Flip Wilson! 😂 Notre Dame did eventually show up. They were one of the earlier teams to play HC at the Centrum Yeah, in 1984. As my late mother used to say, “I could be dead by then.” Jack might still have been alive but was long gone from Holy Cross. Take a look at our record that year and the following year when we played at their place. The Fighting Irish wanted to make sure they got a win . . . . or two. |
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Post by timholycross on Jul 9, 2024 11:50:42 GMT -5
Brown does not show well on TV. Neither does Harvard. IMHO Yale is a classy venue.
Getting back to the ND game in 1975, the coup de grace was a phantom travel call with HC up a point or two and a minute left.
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Post by Tom on Jul 9, 2024 12:11:12 GMT -5
Brown does not show well on TV. Neither does Harvard. IMHO Yale is a classy venue. Getting back to the ND game in 1975, the coup de grace was a phantom travel call with HC up a point or two and a minute left. I have no clue how Yale (or Brown or Harvard ) look on TV, but Yale was a cool place to see in person, but more so the outside architecture than the court as I recall |
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 9, 2024 12:43:51 GMT -5
Since this side road got to talking about ND, who else remembers the alleged story that IF Dick Regan hired Sean Kearny as Ralph’s successor, that ND guaranteed they would come to play HC in Worcester . . . . . . but, that didn’t happen because, well, because . . . . . 🤷♂️
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Post by Ignutz on Jul 9, 2024 12:46:23 GMT -5
My brother , a Holy Cross grad, was a grad student at ND then and attended that game. Dantley spent the entire game on the foul line - I was thinking 26 free throws but your memory of24 is probably better than mine. Dantley was a great player and drew a lot of fouls. He averaged 11 free throw attempts per game that season but the 24 or 26 seems excessive Despite the loss, one of my favorite HC games of all time. After graduating in 1970 and living 700 miles from HC, I had not seen the hoopers play since the Holiday Festival @ Christmas of 1970. During the ensuing 4 years, Stacom left, King Gaskins came and went and HC suffered back to back losing seasons in ‘72-‘73 and ‘73-‘74 in GB’s first 2 yrs. at the helm, two of only 3 losing seasons since the end of WWII. So I was pleasantly surprised when we got off to a good start in ‘74-‘75. Made the relatively short drive to South Bend and saw a Crusader team that was the aggressor, something we seldom were during JD’s tenure. In that game, we pressed ND constantly and created numerous turnovers. Chris Potter made not one but two of his amazing steals of a baseline inbounds pass that the inbounder threw like a baseball. Game was a TOTAL home job. GB got tossed…only game from which he was ejected in 22 yrs. as HC head coach. Midway thru the second half, we got down by 9 primarily due to the officiating. It was so bad that even the ND fans around me were hushed, acknowledging the one-sidedness of it. At that point, the game turned and we came back to take the lead with under two minutes to go and ended up losing by 6. Seeing the style of play and the talent of Vicens and Potter (Fire and Ice), I could see a bright future ahead. This upcoming season will be the 50th season since then. What memories! I feel badly for the posters and alums who never saw Vicens and Potter play. Their years were probably the zenith of HC hoops since the Buster Sheary days in the early ‘50s. A classmate with contacts out in South Bend was told by said contacts that even the daily ND newspaper acknowledged the embarrassing home-job the next morning. Just Digger being Digger! |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 9, 2024 20:56:10 GMT -5
Brown does not show well on TV. Neither does Harvard. IMHO Yale is a classy venue. Getting back to the ND game in 1975, the coup de grace was a phantom travel call with HC up a point or two and a minute left. I have no clue how Yale (or Brown or Harvard ) look on TV, but Yale was a cool place to see in person, but more so the outside architecture than the court as I recall Yale is the oddest building in New England. I know it is the only building I actually have to be key carded into the court. |
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