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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 15, 2024 11:30:50 GMT -5
The annual PL representative in the playoffs will be battle tested. This PL is trending in the direction of being a multi-bid league.
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Post by hc17 on May 15, 2024 12:14:43 GMT -5
The annual PL representative in the playoffs will be battle tested. This PL is trending in the direction of being a multi-bid league. Add Nova & we're going to be multi-bid w/o question.
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Post by longsuffering on May 15, 2024 12:27:47 GMT -5
The annual PL representative in the playoffs will be battle tested. This PL is trending in the direction of being a multi-bid league. HC's challenging 2023 schedule, long clamored for, may have kept the PL to one bid last year.
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Post by Chu Chu on May 15, 2024 12:32:18 GMT -5
In a world of disintegrating standards, norms and traditions, a college with the same name since 1843 is something to be proud of. Also glad we didn't change from the Crusaders to the Beacons like Valpo did. That's also why I don't favor Richmond dropping their end of season traditional football game with William and Mary just because they joined the PL, and why I favor HC scheduling BC as often as possible. If Richmond can accept Georgetown and Holy Cross history of slave owning, (there's some irony in there somewhere) we can accept their proud tradition with Bill and Mary. When did Holy Cross own slaves?
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Post by rf1 on May 15, 2024 12:34:04 GMT -5
"Tobacco money has made for solid endowments across the South." I'm not sure this is true of Richmond, but there is a lot of old money in Richmond from different sources. I've read that their endowment's rate of return for 2010-2020 was 10% annually, but for the FY ending 6/30/21 the rate of return was 45%. Richmond has benefitted greatly from the generosity of the Robins family (initial gift of $60M over 50 years ago). Their wealth is from pharmaceuticals. Robitussin and chapstick were some of their company products. Richmond's endowment is today in excess of some $3B.
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Post by longsuffering on May 15, 2024 12:55:45 GMT -5
In a world of disintegrating standards, norms and traditions, a college with the same name since 1843 is something to be proud of. Also glad we didn't change from the Crusaders to the Beacons like Valpo did. That's also why I don't favor Richmond dropping their end of season traditional football game with William and Mary just because they joined the PL, and why I favor HC scheduling BC as often as possible. If Richmond can accept Georgetown and Holy Cross history of slave owning, (there's some irony in there somewhere) we can accept their proud tradition with Bill and Mary. When did Holy Cross own slaves? I only skimmed through that discussion but I thought HC or some of the early Jesuits associated with HC had some involvement with slaves. Fathers Mulledy and Healy come to mind but perhaps slave owning is not the correct term.
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Post by hc1996 on May 15, 2024 12:56:28 GMT -5
Holy Cross is a Catholic college with a name that sounds Catholic. If prospective students are anti-Catholic they should go elsewhere. I agree, but I think the point of this conversation is that they are in fact going elsewhere. And it's not trending in HC's favor.
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Post by efg72 on May 15, 2024 13:16:50 GMT -5
We have given up enough of our identity over the years-- the name shouldn't change regardless of the trends.
Our academic reputation has declined compared to our peer group, impacting our ability to attract a larger pool of qualified applicants. Some could argue that our new peer group has dropped us a level or two in terms of national reputation. Outside factors have negatively impacted the spiritual experiences that were once a beautiful part of our education. Athletic excellence for our 27 teams is not what many want to see.
I will begin praying that TPTB avoids taking a wrong turn on the road to the future greatness of Holy Cross.
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Post by hc17 on May 15, 2024 13:30:34 GMT -5
I'm sorry but why are we so down on the College's academic reputation after the acceptance rate dropped to 21% for the class of 2027?
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Post by hc1996 on May 15, 2024 13:40:04 GMT -5
We have given up enough of our identity over the years-- the name can't change regardless of the trends. Our academic reputation has declined compared to our peer group, impacting our ability to attract a larger pool of qualified applicants. Some could argue that our new peer group has dropped us a level or two in terms of national reputation. Outside factors have negatively impacted the spiritual experiences that were once a beautiful part of our education. Athletic excellence for our 27 teams is not what many want to see. I will begin praying that TPTB avoids taking a wrong turn on the road to the future greatness of Holy Cross. What measure are you referring to that would indicate our academic reputation has declined compared to our peer group. When I was applying to college in the early 90's, the only measure I was aware of was the USNWR rankings. And, at that time, HC was ranked 25th I believe. Pretty close to where HC is listed now. That said, I don't think we've declined. I'd argue that not much has changed as far as reputation since the early 90's. I must also say that I believe HC to be completely honest when publicly reporting data and I can't say the same for other institutions.
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Post by efg72 on May 15, 2024 13:44:47 GMT -5
The peer group has changed dramatically over the last twenty-plus years. The 21% is for one year—if it stays there for a decade or improves during that time, perhaps our peer group will also change.
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Post by hc69 on May 15, 2024 13:50:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry but why are we so down on the College's academic reputation after the acceptance rate dropped to 21% for the class of 2027? The "we" are small in number but loud in voice. Some of the same folks that for years have been clamoring for us to leave the PL and join the CAA. I'm waiting for them to turn the good news about Richmond on its head and and say that now is the perfect time for us to apply to the CAA. After all, the CAA is already down one FB school and if 'Nova joins the PL they'll be down two . . .
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Post by emhc94 on May 15, 2024 13:53:55 GMT -5
Class of 2028 acceptance rate was 16%
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Post by hcpride on May 15, 2024 14:04:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry but why are we so down on the College's academic reputation after the acceptance rate dropped to 21% for the class of 2027? The "we" are small in number but loud in voice. Some of the same folks that for years have been clamoring for us to leave the PL and join the CAA. I'm waiting for them to turn the good news about Richmond on its head and and say that now is the perfect time for us to apply to the CAA. After all, the CAA is already down one FB school and if 'Nova joins the PL they'll be down two . . . To be fair, CAA football looks VERY different than it did just two or three years ago. Things change.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 15, 2024 14:05:00 GMT -5
In a world of disintegrating standards, norms and traditions, a college with the same name since 1843 is something to be proud of. Also glad we didn't change from the Crusaders to the Beacons like Valpo did. That's also why I don't favor Richmond dropping their end of season traditional football game with William and Mary just because they joined the PL, and why I favor HC scheduling BC as often as possible. If Richmond can accept Georgetown and Holy Cross history of slave owning, (there's some irony in there somewhere) we can accept their proud tradition with Bill and Mary. Fenwick named the college after the cathedral [of the Holy Cross] in Boston. The Church of the Holy Cross became a cathedral when Cheverus became a bishop. Cheverus built the Church of the Holy Cross, designed by Charles Bulfinch at no charge. (IIRC, Bulfinch donated the land as well. The church was built on Franklin St. in Boston, adjacent to Bulfinch's Tontine Crescent.) The church would not have been built without major Protestant contributions, with John Adams being a lead donor. The name of Cheverus' new church was taken from the original church of the Holy Cross. The original church was an abandoned Huguenot church bought cheaply by a French priest. The French priest had arrived in Boston in 1788 aboard a ship of a French naval squadron, and said the first Catholic mass in Massachusetts. The French priest was named Claude Bouchard de la Poterie. Abbe Bouchard was a man of some mystery. He appears to have been a priest, and also an agent of both the King of France and the Pope. He re-named the Huguenot church the Church of the Holy Cross, possibly after the Eglise de Sainte-Croix de la Cite. The Eglise de la Sainte-Croix was purpose-built on Ile de la Cite on the former site of a Roman basilica, roughly between Sainte-Chapelle and Notre Dame. ^^^Map showing Sainte Croix on rue de Draperie. To its image right is the church of the Madeleine-en-la-Cité. This church was formerly a synagogue, and the street fronting it was named the road of the Jews. Both Sainte-Croix and Madelene-en-la-Cite were demolished in the course of the French Revolution. A relic of the True Cross was venerated at the Eglise de la Sainte-Croix. At the time of Bouchard's arrival in Boston, there were four relics of the True Cross in all of France. Three were in Paris, at Sainte-Chapelle (plunder from the Crusades), at Notre Dame (taken by a Polish king from the treasury of Poland and Lithuania), and at Eglise de la Sainte-Croix (the oldest, and very likely the same relic given to the Frankish king Childebert following the Sixth Century siege of Saragossa in Spain, and originally venerated at the Abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Pres.). A fourth was, and is, venerated at an abbey in Poitiers. And miracle of miracles, there was also a fifth relic of the True Cross in France, in the pockets on Abbe Bouchard, and now in the possession of the Cathedral of the Holy Cross in Boston. Abbe Bouchard explained that he had received the priceless relic because of his service in the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre. .
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Post by hchoops on May 15, 2024 14:06:33 GMT -5
Class of 2028 acceptance rate was 16% Very impressive.
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Post by rgs318 on May 15, 2024 14:43:08 GMT -5
Class of 2028 acceptance rate was 16% Welcome to CROSSPORTS, emhc94!
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Post by CHC8485 on May 15, 2024 14:46:27 GMT -5
In a world of disintegrating standards, norms and traditions, a college with the same name since 1843 is something to be proud of. Also glad we didn't change from the Crusaders to the Beacons like Valpo did. That's also why I don't favor Richmond dropping their end of season traditional football game with William and Mary just because they joined the PL, and why I favor HC scheduling BC as often as possible. If Richmond can accept Georgetown and Holy Cross history of slave owning, (there's some irony in there somewhere) we can accept their proud tradition with Bill and Mary. I think UR has enough of a past with respect to slavery to make a very respectable glass house from which stones should not be thrown. Richmond College closed during the Civil War because the college invested all of its funds in Confederate war bonds, and the outcome of the war left it bankrupt. The college reopened in 1866 thanks to a $5,000 gift from James Thomas, Jr. - a Virginia business man who made his money in tobacco farming and slave labor. Read more about Mr. Thomas here: unfoldinghistory.richmond.edu/article/james-thomas-jrAnd if that is not enough for you, General Spidey was their mascot well into the 1970s! ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqbn3mBXEAYU1LR?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Post by classof83 on May 15, 2024 15:19:43 GMT -5
I have to wonder with this move what some of the non-state funded schools are seeing with all the NIL stuff going on.
Is this move by Richmond, in some small way, some redemption of Fr. Brooks?- I don't think, however, he anticipated that NIL payments to student athletes was going to be a thing.
That should get some folks riled up.
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Post by drjack on May 15, 2024 15:21:38 GMT -5
I take it as a sign they didn't want to go to 85 scholarships and have to deal with paying players significant amounts of cash.
The academic side of things and the overall stability of the conference probably was enticing as well.
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Post by crusader1970 on May 15, 2024 15:39:43 GMT -5
Class of 2028 acceptance rate was 16% That 16% is for non Early Decision applications. Correct?
The ED acceptance rate is extremely high and makes up at least 40% of the class I have heard.
Please correct me if I have misunderstood this,
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Post by longsuffering on May 15, 2024 15:50:39 GMT -5
I take it as a sign they didn't want to go to 85 scholarships and have to deal with paying players significant amounts of cash. The academic side of things and the overall stability of the conference probably was enticing as well. Hmm. NIL is an attack on G-5 schools who are caught in a vice between P-? (Pick a number) who can afford it and FCS who can ignore it if they choose.
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Post by sader1970 on May 15, 2024 16:13:23 GMT -5
Class of 2028 acceptance rate was 16% That 16% is for non Early Decision applications. Correct?
The ED acceptance rate is extremely high and makes up at least 40% of the class I have heard.
Please correct me if I have misunderstood this,
Excellent question and while I have heard, read and seen the 16% acceptance rate, I'm not sure because I for one didn't think to seek clarification. The only thing I know for certain is to quote the College: The 16% is "The lowest ever proportion of applicants admitted, down from 21% in 2023 and 36% in 2022."
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Post by Chu Chu on May 15, 2024 16:22:45 GMT -5
When did Holy Cross own slaves? I only skimmed through that discussion but I thought HC or some of the early Jesuits associated with HC had some involvement with slaves. Fathers Mulledy and Healy come to mind but perhaps slave owning is not the correct term. What I have read is that Father Mulledy was the Provincial who sold slaves owned by the Maryland Province, and he used the money to support fledgling Georgetown University. Subsequently, Father Mulledy went back to Rome for a period, and upon his return was assigned to be the first college president at the newly established College of the Holy Cross. The Healy brothers, whose mother was a slave, were sent by their white slave holding father to be in that first matriculating class. Some time later, when their father died, money from his estate, which benefitted by his slave ownership, was donated to Holy Cross to help rebuild the original Fenwick Hall after a fire. At no time have I ever read that Holy Cross owned slaves.
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Post by hc87 on May 15, 2024 17:50:45 GMT -5
I don't know if it was offered, but a little surprised Richmond came our way and not to the SoCon.
My hunch is that they believe Nova is right behind them in joining our ranks.
Curious what the breakdown of undergrads at U of R percentage-wise is from the Northeast...anecdotally knowing friends&family who attended there, I bet it's a fairly high percentage.
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