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Post by mm67 on May 16, 2024 17:14:34 GMT -5
Will the current PL schools successfully compete against Richmond & possibly Villanova? These are two schools w/consistently higher level football programs than PL schools? Hopefully an even playing field with all schools playing under the same rules will even things out.
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Post by fz on May 16, 2024 17:28:24 GMT -5
Would love to see Richmond in PL Bball. An upgrade in faculties to view a game for sure.
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Post by trimster on May 16, 2024 18:01:24 GMT -5
John O'Connor has a mustache that firefighters would envy.
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Post by hc87 on May 16, 2024 18:24:42 GMT -5
i think a lot of people (outside of the PL-area anyway) think of the PL still as if it was non-scholarship etc....HC and Fordham have beat or nearly beaten multiple FBS schools since scholarships have been restored.
Holy Cross would have beaten Richmond easily last year if they had met in the playoffs imo.
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Post by mm67 on May 16, 2024 18:28:48 GMT -5
With the addition of Richmond & possibly Villanova, will Georgetown pull out of the PL & move to the Pioneer League? My rationale: If posters are to be believed PL schools will be taking steps to build up their teams (Loosen academics, drop AI, 5th year non-med redshirts, larger budgets) Georgetown has not indicated any desire to jettison its non-scholarship policy and add to its expenditures to build up its football program. Why would Georgetown stay in a higher level PL? Could see Bucknell, Laffy & Lehigh pulling out down the road. PL adds Elon, Duquesne, Sacred Heart & ? The academics would have shifted downward to a lower level but the football would be played at a higher level. I'm sure some alums would approve.
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Post by mm67 on May 16, 2024 18:30:18 GMT -5
With the addition of Richmond & possibly Villanova, will Georgetown pull out of the PL & move to the Pioneer League? My rationale: If posters are to be believed PL schools will be taking steps to build up their teams (Loosen academics, drop AI, 5th year non-med redshirts, larger budgets) Georgetown has not indicated any desire to jettison its non-scholarship policy and add to its expenditures to build up its football program. Why would Georgetown stay in a higher level PL? Could see Bucknell, Laffy & Lehigh pulling out down the road. PL adds Elon, Duquesne, Sacred Heart & ? The academics would have shifted downward to a lower level but the football would be played at a higher level. I'm sure some alums would approve.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 16, 2024 18:44:08 GMT -5
With the addition of Richmond & possibly Villanova, will Georgetown pull out of the PL & move to the Pioneer League? My rationale: If posters are to be believed PL schools will be taking steps to build up their teams (Loosen academics, drop AI, 5th year non-med redshirts, larger budgets) Georgetown has not indicated any desire to jettison its non-scholarship policy and add to its expenditures to build up its football program. Why would Georgetown stay in a higher level PL? Could see Bucknell, Laffy & Lehigh pulling out down the road. PL adds Elon, Duquesne, Sacred Heart & ? The academics would have shifted downward to a lower level but the football would be played at a higher level. I'm sure some alums would approve. Absolutely zero shot the L's leave the league. Why would the PL want Duquesne and SHU (with their tiny endowments and worse academics) over the L's? Lafayette just won the league and finished as a top 25 team. They will begin the 2024 as a top 25 team. SHU and Duquesne are nowhere near that level.
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Post by efg72 on May 16, 2024 18:45:38 GMT -5
Lower level meaning a higher level by a level or two than we delivered back in the day?
As an applicant Tell me your values, your heart and soul and if right we can find greatness for HolyCross
If holy cross only accepted family we would be a much better school and have a much better sense of tradition, faith, and an endowment that would guarantee our future.
I love the school but it has been seeking utopia and poorly managed by the board for over 50 years
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 16, 2024 18:46:39 GMT -5
i think a lot of people (outside of the PL-area anyway) think of the PL still as if it was non-scholarship etc....HC and Fordham have beat or nearly beaten multiple FBS schools since scholarships have been restored. Holy Cross would have beaten Richmond easily last year if they had met in the playoffs imo. While I hate admitting that UR deserved the bid over us, I think we would've beaten them in similar fashion to the way we thumped UNH year prior. Albany beat the brakes off the Spiders in the Round of 16. Albany-HC is a one score game last year.
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 16, 2024 18:46:40 GMT -5
With the addition of Richmond & possibly Villanova, will Georgetown pull out of the PL & move to the Pioneer League? My rationale: If posters are to be believed PL schools will be taking steps to build up their teams (Loosen academics, drop AI, 5th year non-med redshirts, larger budgets) Georgetown has not indicated any desire to jettison its non-scholarship policy and add to its expenditures to build up its football program. Why would Georgetown stay in a higher level PL? Could see Bucknell, Laffy & Lehigh pulling out down the road. PL adds Elon, Duquesne, Sacred Heart & ? The academics would have shifted downward to a lower level but the football would be played at a higher level. I'm sure some alums would approve. Regarding G’Town - good question for DFW Hoya. I really don’t know what they are going to do. They were showing some improvement last year and recruiting better but lost their 2 best players to the portal (as non grad transfers) On the second point - Lehigh and Lafayette aren’t going anywhere. Both have proud football traditions and Lehigh is a good hire away from being relevant again. Time will tell if it’s Cahill. Laffy made that hire already and are top 25 two years later. Why would they be inclined to make any change? As SOV stated, they would beat the piss out of Sacred Heart and Duquesne. Bucknell wouldn’t leave the PL unless they drop football. Only 1 PL title (1996) and been bottom half of the league for most of its existence. They’re either content with the status quo or decide to rebalance the resources into other PL sports (BU, American, Loyola).
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Post by hcpride on May 16, 2024 18:50:25 GMT -5
i think a lot of people (outside of the PL-area anyway) think of the PL still as if it was non-scholarship etc....HC and Fordham have beat or nearly beaten multiple FBS schools since scholarships have been restored. Holy Cross would have beaten Richmond easily last year if they had met in the playoffs imo. I think it is because PL was non-scholarship for decades. The PL schollie details were a little hazy for UR’s coach but he was reasonably familiar with some recent PL success.
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Post by efg72 on May 16, 2024 18:53:25 GMT -5
Give Jack DeGioia a call and he will be very open with you about Georgetown 202-687-6660
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Post by hcmawfawo on May 16, 2024 20:01:34 GMT -5
14% per below site which provides following breakdown for class of 2027: 15% VIRGINIA 28% MID-ATLANTIC14% NEW ENGLAND19% SOUTH 6% MIDWEST 5% WEST 11% INTERNATIONAL 2% U.S. TERRITORIES & U.S. CITIZENS LIVING ABROAD admissions.richmond.edu/studentprofile/index.htmlSpoken like a true provincial New Englander. 42% per the numbers you cite. No provincialism here — was just a link and summary of responsive data found on the UR website — in an effort to respond to a poster’s query. If you think required to include Mid Atlantic states in the poster’s undefined term “Northeast” don't forget to include Virginia — that makes the number 57%. No wonder then that UR, with a majority Northeast student body under your definition, opted for the PL as opposed to SoCon.
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Post by hcpride on May 16, 2024 20:34:36 GMT -5
Spoken like a true provincial New Englander. 42% per the numbers you cite. No provincialism here — was just a link and summary of responsive data found on the UR website — in an effort to respond to a poster’s query. If you think required to include Mid Atlantic states in the poster’s undefined term “Northeast” don't forget to include Virginia — that makes the number 57%. No wonder then that UR, with a majority Northeast student body under your definition, opted for the PL as opposed to SoCon. Or SoCon insisted on all-sports whereas we were ok with football-only.
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Post by mm67 on May 16, 2024 21:00:02 GMT -5
In what universe would Richmond b-ball leave the A10 for the SoCon? Was never gonna' happen. W&M to SoCon in all sports? Who knows? Who cares. However, does W&M to the A10 and the PL in football work? Would the A10 accept W&M? Villanova in the Big East & PL for football? Fantasy? PL football would be rockin' w/ these additions if the original PL schools could strengthen their teams & the league could keep its academic niche. Fantasy? Here is another farfetched fantasy: Down the road the FBS does not work for Army & Navy and, yep, they join PL football. Whoa, baby!
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Post by ts1970 on May 16, 2024 21:19:19 GMT -5
The best wrapper leaves for cigars have long come from the Connecticut Valley. Cuba used to import them pre-Castro. Remember passing by the tobacco fields in Connecticut on the way to HC. Connecticut was known for its tobacco cigar wrapper leaves used to wrap the finest cigars from Cuba. Yes, I also recall that tobacco growing area of Connecticut and the red, wooden buildings/barns there on the drive from north Jersey to Worcester back in 1966 - 70.
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Post by hc69 on May 16, 2024 21:21:59 GMT -5
The AI is not going away. One-fifth of our students are athletes. You can't significantly lower the admissions standards for a fifth of our students without lowering the admissions profile of the student body as a whole. Think VR, who is doing everything he can to raise our academic profile, will buy into that? And how do we sell it to alumni? We have high admissions standards for students, except the 20 percent who are athletes? UR isn't joining the PL because they think it's an upgrade for football. It's not. They see the handwriting on the wall in the CAA. With the schools the CAA is adding, the admissions playing field for UR is now nowhere near level. In the PL we're pretty much all competing for the same players. No longer true in the CAA. And that's why we may have a shot with 'Nova as well.
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 16, 2024 22:00:45 GMT -5
Richmond CDS for the enrolling class of 202771 percent with a verbal score of between 700-800, 86 percent with a math sore between 700 and 800. For comparison, Colgate for the class of 2026 was 72 percent on the 700-800 verbal score, 76 percent on the 700-800 math score. HC, class of 2027 was 38 percent for the verbal, 30 percent for the math. Richmond has no problem with meeting the AI. I don’t think anyone thinks the AI is going away. The speculation is whether there will be any relief for Richmond (or G’Town for that matter) Because those admission stats above are going to be a big obstacle to overcome for Spider football. There is virtually no chance their 2024 roster is PL AI compliant. Richmond might have to get creative and field their golf teams with a bunch of Doogie Howsers to keep the total avg where it needs to be for football to maintain its more relaxed admission standards.
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Post by gks on May 16, 2024 22:01:30 GMT -5
The AI is not going away. One-fifth of our students are athletes. You can't significantly lower the admissions standards for a fifth of our students without lowering the admissions profile of the student body as a whole. Think VR, who is doing everything he can to raise our academic profile, will buy into that? And how do we sell it to alumni? We have high admissions standards for students, except the 20 percent who are athletes? UR isn't joining the PL because they think it's an upgrade for football. It's not. They see the handwriting on the wall in the CAA. With the schools the CAA is adding, the admissions playing field for UR is now nowhere near level. In the PL we're pretty much all competing for the same players. No longer true in the CAA. And that's why we may have a shot with 'Nova as well. The above post insinuates that athletes are stupid as a whole. The archaic thought that you have to sell your soul to be successful is for those who worship at the feet of John Feinstein. Holy Cross played football for nearly 100 years without an AI. Thank goodness the founding fathers put in the AI to quell the academic scandals after academic scandals affecting HC and the other schools.... It's only there because PL school presidents in the early 80s were smittened with and got fleeced by the Ivy schools. Get rid of it. If a school can't figure out who they need to admit without handcuffs then they need to reconsider what the heck they're doing.
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Post by longsuffering on May 16, 2024 23:58:21 GMT -5
With the addition of Richmond & possibly Villanova, will Georgetown pull out of the PL & move to the Pioneer League? My rationale: If posters are to be believed PL schools will be taking steps to build up their teams (Loosen academics, drop AI, 5th year non-med redshirts, larger budgets) Georgetown has not indicated any desire to jettison its non-scholarship policy and add to its expenditures to build up its football program. Why would Georgetown stay in a higher level PL? Could see Bucknell, Laffy & Lehigh pulling out down the road. PL adds Elon, Duquesne, Sacred Heart & ? The academics would have shifted downward to a lower level but the football would be played at a higher level. I'm sure some alums would approve. Regarding G’Town - good question for DFW Hoya. I really don’t know what they are going to do. They were showing some improvement last year and recruiting better but lost their 2 best players to the portal (as non grad transfers) On the second point - Lehigh and Lafayette aren’t going anywhere. Both have proud football traditions and Lehigh is a good hire away from being relevant again. Time will tell if it’s Cahill. Laffy made that hire already and are top 25 two years later. Why would they be inclined to make any change? As SOV stated, they would beat the piss out of Sacred Heart and Duquesne. Bucknell wouldn’t leave the PL unless they drop football. Only 1 PL title (1996) and been bottom half of the league for most of its existence. They’re either content with the status quo or decide to rebalance the resources into other PL sports (BU, American, Loyola). I have a theory that it is difficult for the PL core schools (HC, Colgate, Bucknell, Lehigh, Lafayette) to drop football because for the tuition they charge they can't start cutting key elements of a robust four year college experience.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 17, 2024 0:26:54 GMT -5
The schools cited have solid football traditions and ample endowments so there is no reason to drop football. The world will end before either Laf or Leh drops the sport and ends the rivalry.
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Post by hcpride on May 17, 2024 1:35:48 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 17, 2024 7:31:47 GMT -5
Good read from our friend LFN. Would UNH have joined in all sports or just football? My recollection was the discussion at the time was more about UNH and Maine coming in for football. This was in the wake of Hofstra and Northeastern dropping the sport and URI announcing intent to relegate to the NEC. Before Albany and Stony Brook were added, and URI reversed course on the NEC, UNH and Maine would have ended on a remote geographic island for CAA Football. The other thing I can't remember is if these conversations all took place before or after scholarships were announced. I would assume after.
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Post by unhfan on May 17, 2024 7:37:52 GMT -5
Good read from our friend LFN. Would UNH have joined in all sports or just football? My recollection was the discussion at the time was more about UNH and Maine coming in for football. This was in the wake of Hofstra and Northeastern dropping the sport and URI announcing intent to relegate to the NEC. Before Albany and Stony Brook were added, and URI reversed course on the NEC, UNH and Maine would have ended on a remote geographic island for CAA Football. The other thing I can't remember is if these conversations all took place before or after scholarships were announced. I would assume after. UNH would have become a member of the Patriot League in all sports.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 17, 2024 7:41:43 GMT -5
The AI is not going away. One-fifth of our students are athletes. You can't significantly lower the admissions standards for a fifth of our students without lowering the admissions profile of the student body as a whole. Think VR, who is doing everything he can to raise our academic profile, will buy into that? And how do we sell it to alumni? We have high admissions standards for students, except the 20 percent who are athletes? UR isn't joining the PL because they think it's an upgrade for football. It's not. They see the handwriting on the wall in the CAA. With the schools the CAA is adding, the admissions playing field for UR is now nowhere near level. In the PL we're pretty much all competing for the same players. No longer true in the CAA. And that's why we may have a shot with 'Nova as well. Very off base here, specifically with what I have bolded above.
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