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Post by longsuffering on May 16, 2024 8:20:06 GMT -5
Ironically, Hadley was traditionally a big tobacco growing town in that tobacco belt along the Connecticut River. The UR head football coach may have grown up in a small town, but it wasn't in Massachusetts. He has a good southern drawl.
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Post by southernsader on May 16, 2024 8:40:31 GMT -5
I don't know if it was offered, but a little surprised Richmond came our way and not to the SoCon. My hunch is that they believe Nova is right behind them in joining our ranks. Curious what the breakdown of undergrads at U of R percentage-wise is from the Northeast...anecdotally knowing friends&family who attended there, I bet it's a fairly high percentage. 14% per below site which provides following breakdown for class of 2027: 15% VIRGINIA 28% MID-ATLANTIC14% NEW ENGLAND19% SOUTH 6% MIDWEST 5% WEST 11% INTERNATIONAL 2% U.S. TERRITORIES & U.S. CITIZENS LIVING ABROAD admissions.richmond.edu/studentprofile/index.htmlSpoken like a true provincial New Englander. 42% per the numbers you cite.
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Post by rgs318 on May 16, 2024 8:50:06 GMT -5
Ironically, Hadley was traditionally a big tobacco growing town in that tobacco belt along the Connecticut River. The UR head football coach may have grown up in a small town, but it wasn't in Massachusetts. He has a good southern drawl. The best wrapper leaves for cigars have long come from the Connecticut Valley. Cuba used to import them pre-Castro.
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Post by hcpride on May 16, 2024 9:19:19 GMT -5
Reading some other message boards there is a consistent thought that UR was done with CAA football (for unspecified reasons) and had discussions with SoCon and PL. That, in fact, was the earliest print report. SoCon (a better geographic fit and a bit stronger in FCS football) insisted on all-sports while PL was willing to do football only.
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Post by rf1 on May 16, 2024 10:08:58 GMT -5
Reading some other message boards there is a consistent thought that UR was done with CAA football (for unspecified reasons) and had discussions with SoCon and PL. That, in fact, was the earliest print report. SoCon (a better geographic fit and a bit stronger in FCS football) insisted on all-sports while PL was willing to do football only.
Richmond did not like the direction of the CAA. It had lost several old rivals and was not happy with many of the schools that the CAA recently added. The football and academic credentials of the new adds did not meet the standards UR wanted.
The founding northern affiliate schools of the CAA (URI, UNH, Maine) are also not all that happy with the new members. The CAA automatically guarantees football membership to any of its full members. Football affiliates have no say or vote in new full member adds.
This is the presently known CAA Football conference makeup once Delaware and Richmond depart.
Albany Bryant Campbell
Elon Hampton
Maine Monmouth
New Hampshire NC A&T
Rhode Island Stony Brook Towson
Villanova William & Mary
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Post by hc17 on May 16, 2024 11:28:49 GMT -5
Reading some other message boards there is a consistent thought that UR was done with CAA football (for unspecified reasons) and had discussions with SoCon and PL. That, in fact, was the earliest print report. SoCon (a better geographic fit and a bit stronger in FCS football) insisted on all-sports while PL was willing to do football only.
Richmond did not like the direction of the CAA. It had lost several old rivals and was not happy with many of the schools that the CAA recently added. The football and academic credentials of the new adds did not meet the standards UR wanted.
The founding northern affiliate schools of the CAA (URI, UNH, Maine) are also not all that happy with the new members. The CAA automatically guarantees football membership to any of its full members. Football affiliates have no say or vote in new full member adds.
This is the presently known CAA Football conference makeup once Delaware and Richmond depart.
Albany Bryant Campbell
Elon Hampton
Maine Monmouth
New Hampshire NC A&T
Rhode Island Stony Brook Towson
Villanova William & Mary
Pull in Villanova & William and Mary for Football...Convert W&M & Richmond into all sports participants down the road...May be as good as it can get for the PL in Football/Basketball
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Post by purplehaze on May 16, 2024 11:44:01 GMT -5
Nova is like Richmond, an associate member in CAA for football only. W&M is an 'all sports' member of the CAA. They would have to move all of their sports to the PL and they're not interested in that (for now)
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 16, 2024 12:11:37 GMT -5
Richmond did not like the direction of the CAA. It had lost several old rivals and was not happy with many of the schools that the CAA recently added. The football and academic credentials of the new adds did not meet the standards UR wanted.
The founding northern affiliate schools of the CAA (URI, UNH, Maine) are also not all that happy with the new members. The CAA automatically guarantees football membership to any of its full members. Football affiliates have no say or vote in new full member adds.
This is the presently known CAA Football conference makeup once Delaware and Richmond depart.
Albany Bryant Campbell
Elon Hampton
Maine Monmouth
New Hampshire NC A&T
Rhode Island Stony Brook Towson
Villanova William & Mary
Pull in Villanova & William and Mary for Football...Convert W&M & Richmond into all sports participants down the road...May be as good as it can get for the PL in Football/Basketball The chances of Richmond leaving the Atlantic 10 for basketball are so minuscule they’re not really worth putting into the universe. Can’t we just be excited they will be a part of the the patriot league for football? William and Mary will go back to the So Con for all sports if they make that change. They’re not coming to the patriot league for all sports IMO.
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Post by rgs318 on May 16, 2024 12:14:26 GMT -5
Of course...one thing at a time.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 16, 2024 12:30:41 GMT -5
Pull in Villanova & William and Mary for Football...Convert W&M & Richmond into all sports participants down the road...May be as good as it can get for the PL in Football/Basketball The chances of Richmond leaving the Atlantic 10 for basketball are so minuscule they’re not really worth putting into the universe. Can’t we just be excited they will be a part of the the patriot league for football? William and Mary will go back to the So Con for all sports if they make that change. They’re not coming to the patriot league for all sports IMO. Richmond is a basketball school and there's 0.0% chance they downgrading this program to the PL. Just no way. Let's now put our focus on Villanova. They make a ton of sense now. Everyone knows it. The recent shakeup in the CAA no doubt has the New England CAA football affiliates questioning their positioning. The trio of UNH, URI, and Maine in the PL is interesting...but my gut tells me this doesn't move the needle for TPTB at the PL.
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Post by longsuffering on May 16, 2024 12:37:57 GMT -5
Pull in Villanova & William and Mary for Football...Convert W&M & Richmond into all sports participants down the road...May be as good as it can get for the PL in Football/Basketball The chances of Richmond leaving the Atlantic 10 for basketball are so minuscule they’re not really worth putting into the universe. Can’t we just be excited they will be a part of the the patriot league for football? Yes! The Patriot League is one of the few pure winners in football re-alignment.
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Post by timholycross on May 16, 2024 12:39:42 GMT -5
W&M's would get to play in the same league as another school that's been in D1 all along and never made the dance (Army).
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Post by Ignutz on May 16, 2024 12:41:00 GMT -5
The chances of Richmond leaving the Atlantic 10 for basketball are so minuscule they’re not really worth putting into the universe. Can’t we just be excited they will be a part of the the patriot league for football? William and Mary will go back to the So Con for all sports if they make that change. They’re not coming to the patriot league for all sports IMO. Richmond is a basketball school and there's 0.0% chance they downgrading this program to the PL. Just no way. Let's now put our focus on Villanova. They make a ton of sense now. Everyone knows it. The recent shakeup in the CAA no doubt has the New England CAA football affiliates questioning their positioning. The trio of UNH, URI, and Maine in the PL is interesting...but my gut tells me this doesn't move the needle for TPTB at the PL. It certainly doesn't move my needle - I just checked.
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Post by richh on May 16, 2024 13:04:42 GMT -5
Is the AI going by the wayside? I would think it’s at least getting watered down IMO. Spoke to a Richmond football grad recently that said lots of players there are definitely outside whatever the standard deviation marker would be for their AI. We will find out soon enough but perhaps they’re meeting the league in the middle somewhere? Perhaps this could help G’Town as well. If similar to Loyola coming into PL,the AI would not apply to current players only recruits after membership starts in '25. Whether PL wide AI still exists unmodified seems unlikely. Non medical redshirting also starts for the PL in 25
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Post by longsuffering on May 16, 2024 13:06:07 GMT -5
God Forbid the trio of UNH, URI and Maine follows their original Yankee Conference partners UMass and UConn into FBS, that's been a rough ride, or into oblivion like UVM FB. I don't think the six New England land grant flagship State universities realized how good they had it in football. They would be a strong FCS conference today if they hung together in FB and pursued their BB dreams as the saw fit in the leagues of their choice.
Now they really should patch together a northern FB league or division of their own but it won't include Holy Cross.
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 16, 2024 13:29:54 GMT -5
God Forbid the trio of UNH, URI and Maine follows their original Yankee Conference partners UMass and UConn into FBS, that's been a rough ride, or into oblivion like UVM FB. I don't think the six New England land grant flagship State universities realized how good they had it in football. They would be a strong FCS conference today if they hung together in FB and pursued their BB dreams as the saw fit in the leagues of their choice. Now they really should patch together a northern FB league or division of their own but it won't include Holy Cross. If I’m the Northern half of CAA football… Maine, UNH, URI, Albany, Stony Brook, Bryant, Monmouth - I go grab Duquesne (who is football only in the NEC) and start a new football conference. I don’t think Merrimack or Sacred Heart have the financial resources yet. The problem is only UHN, URI, Maine and Albany are football only affiliates. Stony Brook, Bryant and Monmouth are all sports CAA members and as we are hearing and reading with W&M, that’s a much trickier situation. If the 4 football only members were going to secede (no way they are going FBS IMO), then you would need Duquesne, Merrimack and Sacred Heart to form a new conference and get to 7 total teams for auto bid playoff eligibility. Not a crazy idea but definitely very low probability that happens. If Nova and W&M leave the CAA, then we might be approaching a coin toss those 4 northern football only affiliates believe they have to do SOMETHING cause at that point it looks like the CAA is on the verge of eating itself. I heard on a pod yesterday Elon and the So Con are in talks again about maybe going back to their roots in 2026. Even the MEAC smells blood and is supposedly courting Hampton and NC A&T to come home. All eyes on Villanova for now…
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Post by rf1 on May 16, 2024 14:01:41 GMT -5
God Forbid the trio of UNH, URI and Maine follows their original Yankee Conference partners UMass and UConn into FBS, that's been a rough ride, or into oblivion like UVM FB. I don't think the six New England land grant flagship State universities realized how good they had it in football. They would be a strong FCS conference today if they hung together in FB and pursued their BB dreams as the saw fit in the leagues of their choice. Now they really should patch together a northern FB league or division of their own but it won't include Holy Cross. If I’m the Northern half of CAA football… Maine, UNH, URI, Albany, Stony Brook, Bryant, Monmouth - I go grab Duquesne (who is football only in the NEC) and start a new football conference. I don’t think Merrimack or Sacred Heart have the financial resources yet. The problem is only UHN, URI, Maine and Albany are football only affiliates. Stony Brook, Bryant and Monmouth are all sports CAA members and as we are hearing and reading with W&M, that’s a much trickier situation. If the 4 football only members were going to secede (no way they are going FBS IMO), then you would need Duquesne, Merrimack and Sacred Heart to form a new conference and get to 7 total teams for auto bid playoff eligibility. Not a crazy idea but definitely very low probability that happens. If Nova and W&M leave the CAA, then we might be approaching a coin toss those 4 northern football only affiliates believe they have to do SOMETHING cause at that point it looks like the CAA is on the verge of eating itself. I heard on a pod yesterday Elon and the So Con are in talks again about maybe going back to their roots in 2026. Even the MEAC smells blood and is supposedly courting Hampton and NC A&T to come home. All eyes on Villanova for now… Bryant is a full America East sports member with only its football program competing in the CAA as an affiliate member. Stony Brook is a full CAA member and cannot play just football in another conference.
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Post by midwestsader05 on May 16, 2024 14:09:09 GMT -5
If I’m the Northern half of CAA football… Maine, UNH, URI, Albany, Stony Brook, Bryant, Monmouth - I go grab Duquesne (who is football only in the NEC) and start a new football conference. I don’t think Merrimack or Sacred Heart have the financial resources yet. The problem is only UHN, URI, Maine and Albany are football only affiliates. Stony Brook, Bryant and Monmouth are all sports CAA members and as we are hearing and reading with W&M, that’s a much trickier situation. If the 4 football only members were going to secede (no way they are going FBS IMO), then you would need Duquesne, Merrimack and Sacred Heart to form a new conference and get to 7 total teams for auto bid playoff eligibility. Not a crazy idea but definitely very low probability that happens. If Nova and W&M leave the CAA, then we might be approaching a coin toss those 4 northern football only affiliates believe they have to do SOMETHING cause at that point it looks like the CAA is on the verge of eating itself. I heard on a pod yesterday Elon and the So Con are in talks again about maybe going back to their roots in 2026. Even the MEAC smells blood and is supposedly courting Hampton and NC A&T to come home. All eyes on Villanova for now… Bryant is a full America East sports member with only its football program competing in the CAA as an affiliate member. Stony Brook is a full CAA member and cannot play just football in another conference. That’s what I said about Stony Brook and Monmouth. I thought I read somewhere that Bryant would be moving over all sports after football but maybe that was conjecture or opinion. They are definitely an option to break away with the other 4 affiliates if that comes to pass. Then you only need Duquesne and Sacred Heart and you’re good.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 16, 2024 15:27:51 GMT -5
Bryant is a full America East sports member with only its football program competing in the CAA as an affiliate member. Stony Brook is a full CAA member and cannot play just football in another conference. That’s what I said about Stony Brook and Monmouth. I thought I read somewhere that Bryant would be moving over all sports after football but maybe that was conjecture or opinion. They are definitely an option to break away with the other 4 affiliates if that comes to pass. Then you only need Duquesne and Sacred Heart and you’re good. Bryant just joined America East as they are finishing their second school year in the conference
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Post by longsuffering on May 16, 2024 15:36:14 GMT -5
My how the discussion has shifted from "Fordham won't put up with the PL restrictions much longer..." to "Welcome aboard Richmond and air out the guest room for Villanova."🙂
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Post by mm67 on May 16, 2024 15:55:04 GMT -5
Ironically, Hadley was traditionally a big tobacco growing town in that tobacco belt along the Connecticut River. The UR head football coach may have grown up in a small town, but it wasn't in Massachusetts. He has a good southern drawl. The best wrapper leaves for cigars have long come from the Connecticut Valley. Cuba used to import them pre-Castro. Remember passing by the tobacco fields in Connecticut on the way to HC. Connecticut was known for its tobacco cigar wrapper leaves used to wrap the finest cigars from Cuba.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 16, 2024 15:55:36 GMT -5
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Post by classof83 on May 16, 2024 16:54:55 GMT -5
Interesting comments about the NIL.
The issue is not so much NIL money for football - but for basketball. There is only so much money to go around and the beat writer seems to think with the A-10 basketball membership the money preference will be to spend the money on basketball and not football.
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Post by efg72 on May 16, 2024 17:05:57 GMT -5
It impacts the NILfor hoops and football. My former neighbor, an elderly Virginia Gentleman, suggests they will have $2 million minimum each year in NIL dollars, with a majority going to hoops.
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Post by purplehaze on May 16, 2024 17:10:04 GMT -5
Yes, o’Connor is realistic about FCS football and its limitations. Definitely hoping Nova follows suit. That $500,000 NIL men’s bball investment at UR is amazing
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