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Post by timholycross on May 30, 2024 9:08:52 GMT -5
Agree 100% that Colgate should be the final rivalry game for HC. Bad weather is part of rivalry games. Fordham and Georgetown can play in the Associate Members Bowl. No thank you. Want no part of semi-annual trips to that neck of the woods in late November. One trip, 1990, was enough.
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Post by cruskater31 on Jun 3, 2024 19:32:07 GMT -5
If we are just talking football, I vote Fordham. I imagine Cornell will still play Colgate and UR play W&M.
When HC has a bye earlier in the season or is playing a non-conference game Colgate and UR will have a conference tilt. When HC plays Fordham on the last date of the season, the others will have a non-conference game.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 3, 2024 20:04:16 GMT -5
IMO, the final game of the season should be between PL teams. League championships might be determined by the outcome of this last PL game. Although, I prefer HC-Colgate, I think it should be HC-FU, GTown-Richmond, Bucknell-Colgate, Laffy-Lehigh. Geography is destiny.
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Post by Wayne on Jun 3, 2024 21:36:13 GMT -5
The Ivy League is not going to allow Cornell to play Colgate in late November. The Ivy's scheduling patterns very rarely change including the order of the games. Harvard, for instance, has played the same Ivy opponents on the same weekends since 2000 when they moved Columbia out of the opening week. And who does Columbia play if Colgate plays Cornell the weekend before Thanksgiving?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 3, 2024 22:17:13 GMT -5
The Ivy League is not going to allow Cornell to play Colgate in late November. The Ivy's scheduling patterns very rarely change including the order of the games. Harvard, for instance, has played the same Ivy opponents on the same weekends since 2000 when they moved Columbia out of the opening week. And who does Columbia play if Colgate plays Cornell the weekend before Thanksgiving? I think the reference to Cornell still playing Colgate and Richmond still playing W&M meant during the season not the last game of the year. I like the consistency of all eight PL teams playing PL teams on the final weekend but I also respect tradition so if it is very important for Richmond to play W&M to conclude the season I wouldn't oppose it because the PL has an unbalanced final weekend now so we wouldn't be losing anything if we don't have four league games on the final weekend.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 4, 2024 5:00:56 GMT -5
Finish PL play in mid-Nov thus freeing up ~Thanksgiving for OOC traditional rivalry games such as HC-BC(/s).
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Post by hcpride on Jun 4, 2024 6:48:34 GMT -5
The Ivy League is not going to allow Cornell to play Colgate in late November. The Ivy's scheduling patterns very rarely change including the order of the games. Harvard, for instance, has played the same Ivy opponents on the same weekends since 2000 when they moved Columbia out of the opening week. And who does Columbia play if Colgate plays Cornell the weekend before Thanksgiving? This is sort of a “in a perfect world” notional scenario wherein each PL team could play a ‘rivalry’ (whatever that means) game at the end of the season. Either PL or OOC. And schools without current football ‘rivals’ could be paired as sort of a ‘leftovers’ game. Not meant to be realistic.
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Post by jkh67 on Jun 4, 2024 7:29:23 GMT -5
Agree 100% that Colgate should be the final rivalry game for HC. Bad weather is part of rivalry games. Fordham and Georgetown can play in the Associate Members Bowl. No thank you. Want no part of semi-annual trips to that neck of the woods in late November. One trip, 1990, was enough. It seems like we've played Colgate every year since God was a little boy. Traditionally, that kind of historical track record has been a key aspect of season-ending rivalry games. So, I would vote for the Red Raiders of the Chenango as HC's last game. Fordham would be the obvious alternative choice, given the Jesuit connection. I can't see G'town under any circumstances. It's Jesuit, of course, but I believe we have a far longer and deeper football connection with the Rams and the Bronx Boys are a lot more serious about football than the Hoyas seem to be..
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 4, 2024 8:52:26 GMT -5
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 4, 2024 12:06:15 GMT -5
Very interesting history that I wasn't aware of. It is significant that we did not play them that year.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 4, 2024 12:44:33 GMT -5
I guess they were undefeated, untied, uninvited...and "unscheduled."
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Post by cruskater31 on Jun 5, 2024 11:41:39 GMT -5
I guess they were undefeated, untied, uninvited...and "unscheduled." They didn't play us...the only reason they were undefeated!
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 5, 2024 11:54:52 GMT -5
We weren't bad that year. Holy Cross finished the year 1932 with an overall record of 6–2–2. We lost 2 away games to Brown and Harvard, and tied Manhattan (!) in Yankee Stadium and BC at home.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 5, 2024 12:20:51 GMT -5
No thank you. Want no part of semi-annual trips to that neck of the woods in late November. One trip, 1990, was enough. It seems like we've played Colgate every year since God was a little boy. Traditionally, that kind of historical track record has been a key aspect of season-ending rivalry games. So, I would vote for the Red Raiders of the Chenango as HC's last game. Fordham would be the obvious alternative choice, given the Jesuit connection. I can't see G'town under any circumstances. It's Jesuit, of course, but I believe we have a far longer and deeper football connection with the Rams and the Bronx Boys are a lot more serious about football than the Hoyas seem to be.. Apparently the Red as in "Red Raiders" was mistakenly thought to refer to Native Americans and they went to pure Raiders in 2001. If Wikipedia is to be believed, the 'Red' was actually a reference to the jersey color they wore back in'32.
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Post by hc87 on Jun 5, 2024 12:27:35 GMT -5
Just looking it up now....we had a very stout D in '32 as well.....giving up only 42 total points in a 10-game 6-2-2 season.
I don't know if I ever knew this or forgot, but the HC at HC that year was John McEwan. He had previously been the head coach at both Army and Oregon. He got into a heated arguing match with the HC trainer during the Brown game and was later suspended for the remainder of the season.
His replacement in 1933? Dr Eddie Anderson.....and so it goes.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 5, 2024 12:51:50 GMT -5
It seems like we've played Colgate every year since God was a little boy. Traditionally, that kind of historical track record has been a key aspect of season-ending rivalry games. So, I would vote for the Red Raiders of the Chenango as HC's last game. Fordham would be the obvious alternative choice, given the Jesuit connection. I can't see G'town under any circumstances. It's Jesuit, of course, but I believe we have a far longer and deeper football connection with the Rams and the Bronx Boys are a lot more serious about football than the Hoyas seem to be.. Apparently the Red as in "Red Raiders" was mistakenly thought to refer to Native Americans and they went to pure Raiders in 2001. If Wikipedia is to be believed, the 'Red' was actually a reference to the jersey color they wore back in'32. Yes but the Chenango River, Chenango Valley and Chenango Canal are named for the Oneida word meaning bull thistle. I guess Colgate figured better safe than sorry.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 6, 2024 6:37:07 GMT -5
Apparently the Red as in "Red Raiders" was mistakenly thought to refer to Native Americans and they went to pure Raiders in 2001. If Wikipedia is to be believed, the 'Red' was actually a reference to the jersey color they wore back in'32. Yes but the Chenango River, Chenango Valley and Chenango Canal are named for the Oneida word meaning bull thistle. I guess Colgate figured better safe than sorry. Are they changing the names of those three? Maybe they can copy Colgate's lead (Red Raiders to Raiders) and go with River, Valley, and Canal.
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Post by jkh67 on Jun 9, 2024 19:18:37 GMT -5
Happy Memorial Day Weekend all! Mayor Larry Vaughn thinks this might be the best Summah evah! Hope so! Anyway, this pretty much being the "down time" for HC sports, I'd thought I'd bring this up. As for 2025 we already have: 8/30 at Northern Illinois 9/6 at UNH 9/20 at Yale 9/27 URI There will be 7 PL games starting that season. 2025 will also be another 12 game season. (every 5 years we have back to back 12 game seasons due to the calendar). One would assume that our 5th OOC game will be Harvard, but who knows? if it is, it would be a game at Fitton as we are in Allston this Fall. I'm also curious how the league will determine who is home and away with Richmond starting that season. Lastly, do you think the PL will mandate an annual last season game now that there are 8 team members? I know the Spiders have played W&M for that week but maybe they could shift that game to another week? Geographically I suppose that would be: Richmond-GTown, Lafayette-Lehigh, Fordham-HC and Bucknell-Colgate. Not sure how pumped UR would be with that.
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Post by jkh67 on Jun 10, 2024 9:35:28 GMT -5
It seems like we've played Colgate every year since God was a little boy. Traditionally, that kind of historical track record has been a key aspect of season-ending rivalry games. So, I would vote for the Red Raiders of the Chenango as HC's last game. Fordham would be the obvious alternative choice, given the Jesuit connection. I can't see G'town under any circumstances. It's Jesuit, of course, but I believe we have a far longer and deeper football connection with the Rams and the Bronx Boys are a lot more serious about football than the Hoyas seem to be.. Apparently the Red as in "Red Raiders" was mistakenly thought to refer to Native Americans and they went to pure Raiders in 2001. If Wikipedia is to be believed, the 'Red' was actually a reference to the jersey color they wore back in'32. I always liked "Red Raiders of the Chenango" as it brought to mind James Fenimore Cooper and Leatherstocking Saga characters like Hawkeye (aka Natty Bumpo and La Longue Carabine), Uncas, and Chingachgook. Not to mention that Colgate's not too far from Cooper's Lake Glimmerglass (today's Lake Otsego), in the very heart of Leatherstocking country Not to mention the French and Indian War and the American Revolution. Sorry to hear these more pedestrian, but no doubt accurate, explanations of the name.
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