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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 11, 2018 18:21:26 GMT -5
It is clear he wants to appeal to locals in order to create a local fan base for HC. That is something that has been posted on Crossports before and I wish him well in that. The bonus is that he is doing it by bringing in some very good local talent. As I've posted often here..the HC teams of 81-91 had many players from the New England region...it's not the barren wasteland for football that is often intimated here. Yes because the world of HS football is just as it was 27+ years ago. Good call.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 11, 2018 18:35:23 GMT -5
9 of the top 25 going ivies, including 4 to Princeton - Wow ! They take athletics 'very' seriously (if you have a chance also look at the olympic sports - crazy !) I read in the Courier Journal today that QB Brevin White chose Princeton over Alabama: "Wow, it'd be cool to run out of the tunnel in from of that [100,000 fans] and play in front of those crowds and you're getting your college paid for. You get a nice place to live. All of those things are nice. At the end of the day, there's a greater payoff from Princeton and all of the Ivies if you apply yourself and work hard because they do offer a once-in-a-lifetime experience, just in a different way than the bigger universities".
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Post by hc87 on Feb 11, 2018 18:53:34 GMT -5
As I've posted often here..the HC teams of 81-91 had many players from the New England region...it's not the barren wasteland for football that is often intimated here. Yes because the world of HS football is just as it was 27+ years ago. Good call. It hasn't changed that much...if anything, kids at Massachusetts high schools are getting better coaching, being better prepared for college football today (the very good players that is) etc. HC dropping football scholarships pretty much took us off the radar for the very best kids locally from 1992-2012...we are only beginning to eliminate that perception that we aren't a serious D1 football school now.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 11, 2018 20:00:21 GMT -5
Yes because the world of HS football is just as it was 27+ years ago. Good call. It hasn't changed that much...if anything, kids at Massachusetts high schools are getting better coaching, being better prepared for college football today (the very good players that is) etc. HC dropping football scholarships pretty much took us off the radar for the very best kids locally from 1992-2012...we are only beginning to eliminate that perception that we aren't a serious D1 football school now. I do think we have to start a feeder system locally where the best (1 and 2 star) Massachusetts FCS-level kids look to us first. Not CAA, Ivy, NEC, or other PL. That is a challenge in and of itself. That is assuming there are 1 and 2 star quality FCS-level kids (with sufficient academics) in Massachusetts each year in any case. (Same discussion on my Stony Brook board where a few folks still think Long Island is fertile D-1 football territory. It was once. Not so much any more.)
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Post by hc87 on Feb 11, 2018 20:50:43 GMT -5
Football has actually been built up to some extent due to the Patriots success from 2000-today in Massachusetts. I'm not saying it's Texas, Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania etc deep...but there are good players to be had, particularly at the FCS-level. Prime example is Brendan Flaherty recently....somewhat ovah-looked recruiting-wise and turned out to be one of the bettah players in the PL.
Our best "mix" has always been to get some of the best local kids and then augment/surround them with kids from the rest of the Northeast, Midwest and a few kids from the South etc
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 11, 2018 21:57:41 GMT -5
Yes because the world of HS football is just as it was 27+ years ago. Good call. It hasn't changed that much...if anything, kids at Massachusetts high schools are getting better coaching, being better prepared for college football today (the very good players that is) etc. HC dropping football scholarships pretty much took us off the radar for the very best kids locally from 1992-2012...we are only beginning to eliminate that perception that we aren't a serious D1 football school now. This or a similar list was posted on the old board. You either don't remember it, or ignored it, because it doesn't fit your worldview. 247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=highschool&State=MADalton was red-shirted his freshman year, and not on the stat sheet for this past season. One other player from MA on the PSU roster, a senior RB from St. John's Prep, and used exclusively on special teams.
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Post by cmo on Feb 11, 2018 22:00:54 GMT -5
Sean McKeon had a good year. Surprised me.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 11, 2018 22:08:12 GMT -5
Boys born in FL or Ga are 9 times more likely to make the NFL than ones born in MA. I believe that's likely indicative of a state's tendency to produce good D-1 college players as well. We must look in those states even though we'd be delighted to sign great local or MA or Northeast players. We've gone over this so many times--thought I'd give it another try in case there are new viewers on the board. MA is #42 in per capita production of NFL players and NY is even lower, #44 among the states. For raw numbers consider that there are 201 NFL players from FL vs 10 from MA. We have to recruit in FL, GA, OH, NJ, other states. If the U of Florida started a hockey team the Gators would surely raid our backyard. We must raid theirs for football players.
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Post by cmo on Feb 11, 2018 22:10:08 GMT -5
NEED that Florida speed
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Post by hc87 on Feb 11, 2018 22:22:47 GMT -5
Joe Segreti, Dave Murphy et al would say elsewise.....there are very, very good players in Massachusetts, we have just stopped looking for them or they us....
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 11, 2018 22:37:44 GMT -5
Joe Segreti, Dave Murphy et al would say elsewise.....there are very, very good players in Massachusetts, we have just stopped looking for them or they us.... Nonsense. We recruit Massachusetts. There are also good players everywhere. You know that, right?
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Post by hc87 on Feb 11, 2018 22:45:55 GMT -5
I do...but Massachusetts kids collectively said from 1990-2015 that" Holy Cross doesn't care about football".....that's what we are fighting against now...
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 11, 2018 23:22:10 GMT -5
"Fighting against" like getting 3 kids from SJ, including flipping one from Haaarvard? Sure seems to me like HC is winning dah fight.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 11, 2018 23:31:28 GMT -5
I do...but Massachusetts kids collectively said from 1990-2015 that" Holy Cross doesn't care about football".....that's what we are fighting against now... Talk about making a blanket statement. This is what you said to yourself. Not sure high school kids share your viewpoint...and please don't use a few kids who you coached on a JV Hoops team as your example.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 11, 2018 23:44:09 GMT -5
I do...but Massachusetts kids collectively said from 1990-2015 that" Holy Cross doesn't care about football".....that's what we are fighting against now... Talk about making a blanket statement. This is what you said to yourself. Not sure high school kids share your viewpoint...and please don't use a few kids who you coached on a JV Hoops team as your example. Collectively sad....keep doing what we are doing and be a nothing collegiately....joke.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 11, 2018 23:52:41 GMT -5
There are very good kids/students that play football well in Massachusetts...sadly there are people here who want to denigrate that...that's cool, hope that make's you feel bettah.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 12, 2018 0:07:27 GMT -5
When HC went non-scholarship....no one from Massachusetts wanted to go to HC for football.....fact.
It's a joke that we are even having this discussion....seriously
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Post by ncaam on Feb 12, 2018 5:51:41 GMT -5
Isn’t it time to switch over to the anti baseball rant? Btw have you told your AD that he is a fool to have a baseball program?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 12, 2018 6:37:15 GMT -5
Harvard roster, seven players from MA, four of whom went to prep schools, e.g., Milton Academy, Phillips, etc. six percent of the roster. 14 from Texas, 15 from California.
Boston College roster 26 from MA, 9 from FL. Univ of Miami, one from Massachusetts (Marblehead, long snapper).. No two-way street.
Syracuse, 3 from MA, 8 from GA Colgate 5 from MA, 12 from FL.
Notre Dame, 0 from MA. This with a HC who was born in Everett, went to St. John's Prep and Assumption, and coached at Assumption. He began coaching at Assumption the same year IH began matriculating on Mt. St. James. One would think that if there was a reservoir of untapped football talent in MA, he ought to be front and center trying to tap into it.
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Post by nhteamer on Feb 12, 2018 12:20:15 GMT -5
Segreti was from NH
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Post by 6sader7 on Feb 12, 2018 17:27:03 GMT -5
Exceptionally pleased to see that we have 3 new RBs that come to Holy Cross with good size and might get even bigger and stronger. Oliver excepted as we have to assume that Dad has been working on him since he picked up a football and bet he would only get minimally bigger. So, KY and my prayers may have been answered. 220-225 would be better but glad we aren't bringing in our usual 175-185 pound RBs. Maybe we'll have some guys that can move the pack? Bruno: 6'2" 202 lbs. Oliver: 6'0" 212 lbs. Abrams: 6'0" 207 lbs. for reference: Mike Kielt 5-10, 203 lbs. 303 carries for 1,522 yards (5.0 per carry) and 18 TD's Eddie Houghton 5-11 223 lbs. 331 carries for 1,547 yards (4.7 per carry) and 14 TD's and, most importantly, as I said in every game, he was "tough to tackle", the guy who can get you 3 yards when you need them. of course, the three Sept 2018 freshmen have room and time to grow and add weight Loved playing with Kielt -- He never shied away from getting physical on a chip block coming out of the back field. Also, he was most certainly closer to 220 when we were playing together.
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Post by 6sader7 on Feb 12, 2018 17:38:25 GMT -5
MA is the last state that we "need" to do a better job recruiting in....
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 12, 2018 18:24:00 GMT -5
Yes. When Reagan was in office.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 12, 2018 23:35:06 GMT -5
Yes. When Reagan was in office. I fail to see how this is at all relevant? Are you intimating that Mass/NE.HS football was bettah in the 1980s?
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Post by joe on Feb 13, 2018 6:20:17 GMT -5
If we get the program back in ship shape, New England recruiting can go on auto pilot. I agree a local presence is good, but the number of recruits must be in line with the concentration of talent here. This may equate to 1-2 schollies per year, just eyeballing it. I’d like to see more north Jersey kids, Bosco types. And more from Western PA.
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