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Post by rgs318 on Feb 13, 2018 9:52:59 GMT -5
If we get the program back in ship shape, New England recruiting can go on auto pilot. I agree a local presence is good, but the number of recruits must be in line with the concentration of talent here. This may equate to 1-2 schollies per year, just eyeballing it. I’d like to see more north Jersey kids, Bosco types. And more from Western PA. I agree about North Jersey, but not about "Bosco types." As a Bergen grad I have to prefer" Bergen Catholic types. I am getting tired of seeing so many Big North players (that is the league of the best North Jersey parochial teams) head to the midwest or even to Rutgers.
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Post by southernsader on Feb 13, 2018 10:07:48 GMT -5
Rutgers isn't much of an FBS team, but it is in the Big 10. Rutgers and Holy Cross will not be competing for the same players.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 13, 2018 10:14:13 GMT -5
There is no rule to that effect. Rutgers (note I did say "even" to Rutgers) is not as attractive as most other Big 10 schools. HC could compete with them for NJ players who (1) want to play out of state and (2) want to be part of a winning program - even if at the FCS level. If HC develops into a consistently winning program (and that is a BIG "if"), who has more of a chance at a national title in football first, Rutgers or Holy Cross? Remember the Broadway song, "Nobody even died for dear old Rutgers?" Yup, that shows my age. PS: Holy Cross can "compete" with any school for a recruit. It does not mean HC will win that competition, but it is certainly not impossible to be in it. It all depends on HC's record over the next 2-3 years in our latest coaching reincarnation.
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Post by joe on Feb 13, 2018 10:19:09 GMT -5
If we get the program back in ship shape, New England recruiting can go on auto pilot. I agree a local presence is good, but the number of recruits must be in line with the concentration of talent here. This may equate to 1-2 schollies per year, just eyeballing it. I’d like to see more north Jersey kids, Bosco types. And more from Western PA. I agree about North Jersey, but not about "Bosco types." As a Bergen grad I have to prefer" Bergen Catholic types. I am getting tired of seeing so many Big North players (that is the league of the best North Jersey parochial teams) had to the midwest or even to Rutgers. Fair enough. And I totally agree that we can be competing with Rutgers for these guys.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 13, 2018 10:24:44 GMT -5
I can't see any reason why the HC staff would not have the following North Jersey schools at the top of their contact list: Bergen Catholic (defending State Parochial Champs) Don Bosco Prep (having some tough days since firing their outstanding coach - Greg Toal) but still filled with many good D1 level players) St Joseph (Montvale) - solid every year Paramus Catholic De Paul Seton Hall Prep St Peter's Prep and even Delbarton
They are all with a short drive of one another and several visits can be made in one day.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 13, 2018 13:10:44 GMT -5
The issue/hurdle for HC against FBS is that HC can award 9-10 full scollies per class, and a FBS school can offer double that and more.
If BC rosters 26 from MA, and assuming two walk-ons from MA, that's an average of six full scollies for MA per class. HC would be fortunate to be able to offer a full scollie to one MA player per year, and almost certainly no more than two.
A recruit getting a full scollie offer from BC and a 2/3rd scollie offer from HC is most likely going to choose BC. At the rate that cost of attendance is increasing, that means the four year cost to the recruit's parents for him to attend HC is $90,000 and north of that.
There's at least one poster who overlooks that reality.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 13, 2018 17:00:10 GMT -5
I can't see any reason why the HC staff would not have the following North Jersey schools at the top of their contact list: Bergen Catholic (defending State Parochial Champs) Don Bosco Prep (having some tough days since firing their outstanding coach - Greg Toal) but still filled with many good D1 level players) St Joseph (Montvale) - solid every year Paramus Catholic De Paul Seton Hall Prep and even Delbarton They are all with a short drive of one another and several visits can be made in one day. I think it is realistic to believe we should be able to pick up a PL-level recruit (not necessarily CAA or HYP-level ) from a Catholic school on your list. Fordham/Georgetown probably think the same thing, though. It is a bit annoying when other PL schools pick up a Catholic School (Jesuit, even worse) recruit over us. I'm pretty familiar with The Prep (St Joe's) in Philadelphia and would love to see a pipeline to that Jesuit football powerhouse. This year alone: "Congratulations to five St. Joseph's Prep Football players who signed National Letters of Intent today: Brandon Sanders, Bucknell; Ryan Bryce, US Military Academy; Phil O'Connor, Richmond; Dawson DeIuliis, Princeton; Darryle Simmons, Virginia Tech." Plus a later D-1 signee to Bryant.
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Post by inhocsigno on Feb 13, 2018 17:14:05 GMT -5
I can't see any reason why the HC staff would not have the following North Jersey schools at the top of their contact list: Bergen Catholic (defending State Parochial Champs) Don Bosco Prep (having some tough days since firing their outstanding coach - Greg Toal) but still filled with many good D1 level players) St Joseph (Montvale) - solid every year Paramus Catholic De Paul Seton Hall Prep and even Delbarton They are all with a short drive of one another and several visits can be made in one day. I think it is realistic to believe we should be able to pick up a PL-level recruit (not necessarily CAA or HYP-level ) from a Catholic school on your list. Fordham/Georgetown probably think the same thing, though. It is a bit annoying when other PL schools pick up a Catholic School (Jesuit, even worse) recruit over us. I think it is ridiculous to say that we don't/can't compete for CAA and HYP recruits at any high school. Also, I don't believe that the overwhelming majority of recruits (99%) view the religious affiliation of a college as a paramount (or even minor) factor in their decision, regardless of whether they go to a Catholic High School or not.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 13, 2018 18:02:51 GMT -5
I think it is realistic to believe we should be able to pick up a PL-level recruit (not necessarily CAA or HYP-level ) from a Catholic school on your list. Fordham/Georgetown probably think the same thing, though. It is a bit annoying when other PL schools pick up a Catholic School (Jesuit, even worse) recruit over us. I think it is ridiculous to say that we don't/can't compete for CAA and HYP recruits at any high school. Also, I don't believe that the overwhelming majority of recruits (99%) view the religious affiliation of a college as a paramount (or even minor) factor in their decision, regardless of whether they go to a Catholic High School or not. I didn't write that we don't/can't compete for CAA/HYP. Certainly we had a couple go our way (and many more not our way) this year. Of course religious affiliation is not decisive - kids head to the quality programs as they see them ....but I am looking for any possible edge we might have...it does make us different from at least some of our Patriot rivals. (About a thousand years ago I think Gill Fenerty headed our way, in part, due to a Jesuit (high school derived) connection.)
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Post by joutsHC77 on Feb 13, 2018 18:24:27 GMT -5
I think Gil went to a Jesuit high school in New Orleans; we should start recruiting there too.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 13, 2018 18:49:37 GMT -5
I think Gil went to a Jesuit high school in New Orleans; we should start recruiting there too. We recruit everywhere.
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Post by breezy on Feb 13, 2018 19:57:02 GMT -5
Do we recruit everywhere?
I think that is an open question and there is no clear-cut answer.
Under Coach Gilmore, the HC football web page had a Recruiting Map that showed which assistant coaches were assigned to which geographical areas. It covered the entire United States and parts of Canada.
The Recruiting Map has now been removed from the football web page. Instead, the bio of each of the assistant coaches includes the recruiting area assigned to that coach. There are numerous states that are not assigned to any of the assistant coaches.
One of the states that is not assigned to any coach is Alabama. However, just today, a 2019 recruit from Alabama tweeted his thanks to assistant coach Canan for an invitation to the spring game.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 13, 2018 20:40:39 GMT -5
I think Gil went to a Jesuit high school in New Orleans; we should start recruiting there too. Gill "The Thrill" Fenerty did go to Jesuit HS in NOLA where he was a schoolmate of Will "The Thrill" Clark, SF Giants star. Many years before, Jesuit HS produced Rusty Staub and Chicago Bears star Richie Petitbon.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 13, 2018 20:44:27 GMT -5
And my father in law. We still have his football trophy that JHS gave to each player.
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Post by deep Purple on Feb 13, 2018 22:27:29 GMT -5
JMO - primary focus should be Texas, Cal and Florida.
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Post by deep Purple on Feb 13, 2018 22:35:45 GMT -5
And my father in law. We still have his football trophy that JHS gave to each player. Every player got a trophy?? Looks like they were way ahead of their time.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 14, 2018 8:22:23 GMT -5
Coach Chensey ought to pay a student $100 to go through the rosters of the eight Ivy schools, the PL schools, and a few academically rigorous FBS schools and compile a list of how many on the rosters are from Catholic high schools. I looked at Princeton's roster, 28 by my count. Villanova 28, University of San Diego 22.
That's probably going to produce a universe of 150 or less Catholic high schools nationally that are the source of athletically talented and academically qualified football players.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 14, 2018 12:09:42 GMT -5
Today's Courier Journal offers congratulations to the Metro Louisville All Area HS Football Team members--including our signee Nick Olsofka, offensive lineman.
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Post by breezy on Feb 14, 2018 14:38:50 GMT -5
There are two 2* recruits in this recruiting class:
OL Nick Olsofka -- Rivals: 2* (5.2); 247 Sports: 2* (78). [247 Sports lists him as a DL]
TE Henry Teeter -- Rivals: 2* (5.4); 247 Sports: 2* (79).
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Post by southernsader on Feb 14, 2018 15:28:46 GMT -5
Incidentally, that does not mean that there are not equally good or better recruits in the class. Not rated by Rivals doesn't mean that a player failed to achieve at least 2*. Not rated means not evaluated.
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Post by breezy on Feb 14, 2018 15:37:04 GMT -5
Agree 100%.
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Post by richh on Feb 15, 2018 10:20:22 GMT -5
Incidentally, that does not mean that there are not equally good or better recruits in the class. Not rated by Rivals doesn't mean that a player failed to achieve at least 2*. Not rated means not evaluated. Actually for Rivals it is definite that all 3* were seen either at one their camps or by contributing coaches. Not all 2* are actually seen. Often those *s come from which and how many summer camps the player attends . Some go from 0 * to 2 depending on school that signs them. LU had 2 nonrated QBs( srs this past yr) who went from 0 to 2 * upon verbals to LU. Mayes, LU QB, a 4* after Nike Elite camp.Dropped to a 2* when committed to LU. Allen a RB recruit this yr a 3* dropped to a 2 when he verballed.
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Post by breezy on Feb 15, 2018 12:31:56 GMT -5
In my opinion, the fact that the rating fluctuates based upon offers received or to which school the recruit decides to commit undermines their significance, and, in fact, diminishes their credibility.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 15, 2018 12:42:43 GMT -5
Read the book "Meat Market" about college football recruiting in the SEC. It calls out the rating system as being based entirely on what offers a kid receives, and really being completely arbitrary. At our level it has even less relevance.
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Post by southernsader on Feb 15, 2018 14:15:06 GMT -5
Nothing will get you that 5th star quicker than an offer from Alabama.
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