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Post by sader1970 on Jan 31, 2018 22:44:43 GMT -5
to be decided at the BoT meeting scheduled for this Saturday, February 3. Stay tuned!
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Post by HC92 on Jan 31, 2018 22:55:42 GMT -5
Really hope they don’t screw it up but I fear they will.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 31, 2018 23:31:29 GMT -5
Of course they will....is there any doubt, given our administrative decisions ovah the last 40 or so years?
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 1, 2018 6:49:13 GMT -5
Try to contain your natural optimism, 87.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 1, 2018 8:12:18 GMT -5
Hate to disappoint many of you but the nickname isn't going anywhere.
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Post by alum on Feb 1, 2018 8:18:25 GMT -5
We are willing to try to predict everything else around here. What will the Board of Trustees do:
1. Nothing--leave the name and symbolism the same 2. Nothing--but punt it to another committee 3. Drop the Crusader name and symbols 4. Keep the Crusader name and drop the guy in the suit of armor while keeping the shield 5. Keep the Crusader name and drop the guy in the suit of armor and the shield 6. Other--please explain.
All who correctly pick the result get to accompany 87 to a private showing of Seth Meyer's someday to be made movie "Boston Accent" in Wheeler Basement while drinking from a case of circa 1984 Busch beer priced $8.99 at Chieftan's (which, come to think of it, would probably have had to change its name as well.)
I vote number 4--keep the name and the shield and drop the guy in the suit of armor.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 1, 2018 8:37:59 GMT -5
I've weighed in on the manifold benefits that would accrue to the College if #1 is the answer. There's a chance of that being the result but I think it's a slim one. If I had to bet I'd go with #5--name stays, but the real Crusader and shield end up being sacrificed on the altar of political correctness
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Post by Tom on Feb 1, 2018 8:59:12 GMT -5
I'm guessing 4
I've seen the trailer for the movie before. Definitely a good laugh. However, I thing I'd rather bring (and pay for) my own beverage than accept 35 year old Busch Beer
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 1, 2018 10:19:33 GMT -5
Excellent complementary post, alum. I originally thought the BoT would kick the can down the road (akin to your #2) but the staffers that I've encountered all say the BoT will definitely make a final decision this Saturday though they all claim ignorance as to what the determination will be. If I had to bet, I would go with #4, though the many prior posts in which people opined keep the guy in the suit of armor less the sword is a real possibility. To me, that would be like keeping Chief Wahoo but "fix things" by getting rid of his feather. My personal preference, which won't happen, is go back to the old logo with the Crusader on horseback with the lance. That's the one that I will be looking to license and sell on T-shirts outside of the Hart Center and Fitton Field after the decision is made assuring my financial future.
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Post by matunuck on Feb 1, 2018 10:39:06 GMT -5
We are willing to try to predict everything else around here. What will the Board of Trustees do: 1. Nothing--leave the name and symbolism the same 2. Nothing--but punt it to another committee 3. Drop the Crusader name and symbols 4. Keep the Crusader name and drop the guy in the suit of armor while keeping the shield 5. Keep the Crusader name and drop the guy in the suit of armor and the shield 6. Other--please explain. All who correctly pick the result get to accompany 87 to a private showing of Seth Meyer's someday to be made movie "Boston Accent" in Wheeler Basement while drinking from a case of circa 1984 Busch beer priced $8.99 at Chieftan's (which, come to think of it, would probably have had to change its name as well.) I vote number 4--keep the name and the shield and drop the guy in the suit of armor. which would be idiotic so definitely a possible outcome
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 1, 2018 11:04:40 GMT -5
I understand that there is a communications black out this weekend... so as not to detract from what ever comes out from the BoT action
if #4 does this suggest our athletic teams are more defensive minded than offensive?
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 1, 2018 11:10:28 GMT -5
I would clearly prefer #1 but expect it will be #4. You omitted "change the guy in the suit of armor to a Templar Knight" (as in my avatar). I could go with that as well and it would annoy enough people to make the reactions fun to watch.
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Post by rickii on Feb 1, 2018 11:28:42 GMT -5
Really hope they don’t screw it up but I fear they will. They already have....this whole nonsensical farce should never have gotten started.
To those who feel offended....this is our house and this is who we are. Don't like it ? No problem....good-bye, good luck and hope you find what you're looking for elsewhere.
( BTW, does that sound familiar to anyone ? )
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Post by timholycross on Feb 1, 2018 11:41:58 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 1, 2018 12:27:03 GMT -5
On the Kansas City "Chiefs" nickname...we heard this from the Sioux themselves. The term "Chief" has no meaning for us, some outside of our tribe seem to get upset about it, but it is not part of our culture and its only use was by ignorant outsiders. The Sioux are run by decisions made by a council of the elder women in the tribe. A man is used as a figurehead in dealing with those outside of the tribe to facilitate communication but it is only a name and carries no authority. Once again, some native Americans just do not care about the nickname. It seems to be a result of misplaced guilt.
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Post by beaven302 on Feb 1, 2018 12:44:31 GMT -5
This is an inane non-issue raised by some guy who blathers about boxing for a living.
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Post by Tom on Feb 1, 2018 12:56:34 GMT -5
Really hope they don’t screw it up but I fear they will. They already have....this whole nonsensical farce should never have gotten started.
To those who feel offended....this is our house and this is who we are. Don't like it ? No problem....good-bye, good luck and hope you find what you're looking for elsewhere.
( BTW, does that sound familiar to anyone ? )
I don't have an issue with the whole thing being brought up. I just wish it had been kept inside and not become public knowledge. I don't really like giving the world a reason to laugh at us. The issue has been given more attention than it should have and I hope the BoT stays with the status quo, even if I don't think it's likely. For what it's worth, I don't think there are many who are sincerely offended by the Crusader who aren't also offended by the symbol of the Cross
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 1, 2018 17:02:52 GMT -5
#6 - Other. They will keep the Crusader nickname, keep the knight and simply disarm him of offensive weapons. They invested too much in rebranding (the college shield with the sun and the athletic shield with the HC) to dump the shield all together and if you keep the name, why dump the guy on armor? Keep the name, keep the shield, lose the sword. And as a bonus response, the vote I'm far more interested in since I have 2 more Tuition Room & board payments to make. The BOT will vote to raise Tuition R&B this weekend! And because predicting that post is like shooting fish in a I'll go with an overall 3.4% increase!
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 1, 2018 17:30:37 GMT -5
Well, did you know that Holy Cross gives out full scholarships for music, not just athletics?!! Oh, yeah, you do know that since you posted on the other thread.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 1, 2018 18:31:01 GMT -5
Really hope they don’t screw it up but I fear they will. They already have....this whole nonsensical farce should never have gotten started.
To those who feel offended....this is our house and this is who we are. Don't like it ? No problem....good-bye, good luck and hope you find what you're looking for elsewhere.
( BTW, does that sound familiar to anyone ? )
Why so scared of a conversation? Kind of fundamental to what I learned at HC.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 1, 2018 19:33:25 GMT -5
I am not sure that anyone is "scared of a conversation." Any fear comes from this being a PC move that some say was decided in advance on one side, and on the other there is fear that there will be a real conversation and not immediate caving in to what a vocal minority want to be done.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 1, 2018 21:17:55 GMT -5
Seems like lots of folks have been convinced that the conversation is absolutely going to lead to the Crusader nickname going away. That the fix has been in from the moment the discussion was started in that we are another victim of the PC police. I'm on record as saying that that is not going to be the result.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 1, 2018 22:26:35 GMT -5
94, you are on record as stating: The Crusader is more than a nickname. It is the mascot and a symbol of the College and many (older) alums identify, as Earle Markey said "I am a Crusader."
To clarify, are you going on record as saying the logo and mascot, not just the name "Crusader," remains unchanged? Even more specifically, are you saying option #1 is what will happen?
I hope you are right.
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Post by alum on Feb 2, 2018 9:07:45 GMT -5
These are the people who get a vote. I have highlighted ones that I know were athletes. Others can perhaps identify members they know to have worn purple into competition as well. I knew a few other members of the Board from my time on the Hill. They were pretty down to earth middle of the road kind of people who I would trust to make this decision (recognizing that they could have changed in thirty plus years.) There is a member of a long time HC family (Tom Joyce) in the group as well as a trustee whose father's foundation gave the College $3 million this week. I suspect that they, too, can be trusted.
I also keep coming back to the idea that the Board did not take the name of a slave selling Jesuit off of a dorm. I have to think that the reaction to that would have been quite muted. If they would not do that, I wouldn't worry about the Crusader name too much.
Board of Trustees, 2017-2018
John J. Mahoney Jr. '73, Chair
Retired Vice Chairman and Chief Financial Officer
Staples, Inc.
Framingham, Mass.
Douglas M. Baker Jr. '81
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Ecolab, Inc.
Saint Paul, Minn.
Michael G. Barrett ’84
Chief Executive Officer
Rubicon Project
New York, N.Y.
Rev. Philip L. Boroughs, S.J.
President
College of the Holy Cross
Worcester, Mass.
Helen W. Boucher, M.D., FACP, FIDSA '86
Director, Infectious Diseases Fellowship Program
Director, Heart Transplant and Ventricular Assist Device Infectious Diseases Program
Professor of Medicine
Division of Geographic Medicine and Infectious Diseases
Tufts Medical Center
Boston, Mass.
Susan Power Curtin '93
General Partner
Power Family Enterprises LP
Westlake Village, Calif.
Brian P. Duggan '96
Class Dean
Babson College
Wellesley Hills, Mass.
Susan F. Feitelberg ’84 (Track and Cross Country) Senior Vice President, Family Wealth Advisor
Morgan Stanley Smith Barney
New York, N.Y.
Anne M. Fink ’85
President Global Foodservice
PepsiCo
White Plains, N.Y.
Rev. Kevin T. FitzGerald, S.J., Ph.D.
Lauler Chair in Catholic Health Care Ethics
Georgetown University Medical School
Washington, D.C.
Rev. James G. Gartland, S.J.
Rector
Saint Peter Faber Jesuit Community
Brighton, Mass.
Rev. Michael Carl Gilson, S.J.
Assistant for Secondary and Pre-Secondary Education
California and Oregon Provinces of the Society of Jesus
Portland, Ore.
Stuart E. Graham '67
Retired Chairman
Skanska AB
Stockholm, Sweden
Stanley E. Grayson '72 (Basketball) Retired Vice Chairman and Chief Operating Officer
M.R. Beal & Company
New York, N.Y.
Michael Greene ’84 (Soccer) Managing Partner
AE Industrial Partners, LLC
Boca Raton, Fla.
Robert A. Harrington, M.D. '82 (Track and Cross Country) Chair, Department of Medicine
Arthur L. Bloomfield Professor of Medicine
Stanford University
Stanford, Calif.
Thomas P. Joyce Jr. '82
President and Chief Executive Officer
Danaher Corporation
Washington, D.C.
Brian P. Kelley ’83 (Football) Partner
Lindsay Goldberg LLC
New York, N.Y.
James W. Keyes '77
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Wild Oats Marketing, LLC
Addison, Texas
Dr. Linda M. LeMura
President
Le Moyne College
Syracuse, N.Y.
Stephen A. Lovelette '78
President
JMB Financial Advisors, LLC
Chicago, Ill.
Rev. Mark S. Massa, S.J.
Director of the Boisi Center for the Study of Religion and American Public Life
Professor of Theology
Boston College
Chestnut Hill, Mass.
Shaun P. Mathews '77
Senior Managing Director
Voya Investment Management
Windsor, Conn.
Ann McElaney-Johnson, Ph.D ’79
President
Mount Saint Mary’s University
Los Angeles, Calif.
Edwin J. McLaughlin Jr. '78
Founder and Chief Executive Officer
Blue Sunsets, LLC
Darien, Conn.
James F. Mooney III ’90
President
The Baupost Group, LLC
Boston, Mass.
Robert F. Moriarty ’83
General Partner
Twin Oaks Partners
Chatham, N.J.
Robert S. Morrison ’63
Retired Vice Chairman
PepsiCo Inc.
Chicago, Ill.
John P. Mullman '82
Managing Director and Portfolio Manager
Jennison Associates LLC
New York, N.Y.
Peter Nguyen, S.J.
Assistant Professor of Theology
Creighton University
Omaha, Neb.
Andrew J. O’Brien '85
Managing Director and Global Head of Loan Capital Strategy
JP Morgan
New York, N.Y.
Richard H. Patterson ’80
Founder
Coniston Capital
Chatham, N.J.
William J. Phelan '73
Founder and retired Chief Executive Officer and Chairman
Charter Brokerage LLC
Norwalk, Conn.
Cornelius B. Prior Jr., Esq. ’56
Chairman of the Board
Atlantic Tele-Network, Inc.
St. Thomas, Virgin Islands
María Eugenia Ferré Rangel ’89
Chairwoman of the Board of Directors
GFR Media LLC
Guaynabo, Puerto Rico
Carolyn M. Risoli '86
Principal
CRisoli Consulting
New York, N.Y.
Sr. Barbara J. Rogers, RSCJ
Headmistress
Newton Country Day School of the Sacred Heart
Newton, Mass.
Francine Rosado-Cruz '94
Director, Practice Management
Microsoft Corporation
New York, N.Y.
John J. Suydam P20
Chief Legal Officer
Apollo Global Management
New York, N.Y.
Sean C. Teebagy '17
Clinical Research Coordinator - GI Oncology
Dana - Farber Cancer Institute
Boston, Mass.
Sarah C. Valente '16
Nativity Teaching Fellow
Nativity School of Worcester
Worcester, Mass.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 2, 2018 9:42:39 GMT -5
Well, here's the good news: If they get rid of the Crusader, no one would think the mascot or teams' names should be "The Spires." They'd be laughed off the field, court and ice. Oh, shoot, maybe for rhyming purposes they'll go with "The Squires" as a hat tip to late "Squire McGuire."
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