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Post by sader1970 on Jan 16, 2019 10:10:15 GMT -5
I'll give you Coen . . . . maybe. I am happy to see Stevens gone. He did nothing while on the team (yes, he was young, then injured), but everything I've heard from sources on the team and elsewhere was this young man did not have his head on straight. So I doubt he'd ever be a positive on the team. And KC's game fell like a rock. With 20/20 hindsight, it would now appear that this was more mental/emotional than physical. SOV, they may have had talent that we could have used but the game is mental as well as physical. I am pretty sure that none of the 3 would have helped in the former. Of course, that's an opening for your next criticism . . . .
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 16, 2019 10:18:15 GMT -5
People overlook the fact that BuckU had four days to prepare for the Princeton offense.
Actually Bucknell and the rest of the PL have had 3 1/2 years to prepare for what Holy Cross does, both offensively and defensively. This is why the success of the OOC may not readily translate into the results of conference play.
How we finish the front nine will be telling - four games against teams that will probably end up in the second division, including repeat encounters with Loyola and Navy. 4-0 isn't an unreasonable expectation, 3-1 minimum. The back nine will be much tougher
Nails it. A stubborn approach and lack of varying gameplans from game-to-game puts as at a severe disadvantage against coaches who have now had the opportunity to watch the same film for years, and players who get more familiar with our style of play over the course of their careers. The last time we actually had a unique gameplan against PL opponents was the Eric Green 1-3-1 in the 2016 PL Tournament.
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Post by letsgohc on Jan 16, 2019 10:37:15 GMT -5
Time for a change. Carmody has been a Sub-par recruiter and sub-par motivator. He is a .500 coach, at best. We need and deserve better.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 16, 2019 10:44:55 GMT -5
Not sure I totally agree but correct me if I am wrong, wasn't this the criticism of Milan?
Then, again, isn't that the criticism of almost all coaches? Did Ralph do much more than his match up zone on D? Weren't folks posting that all Bucknell plays is man-to-man D? Fran's guys just shoot long range?
What "variety" are you looking for from Carmody that'll fit with the players' aptitudes?
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Post by classof83 on Jan 16, 2019 11:01:36 GMT -5
Actually Bucknell and the rest of the PL have had 3 1/2 years to prepare for what Holy Cross does, both offensively and defensively. This is why the success of the OOC may not readily translate into the results of conference play.
How we finish the front nine will be telling - four games against teams that will probably end up in the second division, including repeat encounters with Loyola and Navy. 4-0 isn't an unreasonable expectation, 3-1 minimum. The back nine will be much tougher
Nails it. A stubborn approach and lack of varying gameplans from game-to-game puts as at a severe disadvantage against coaches who have now had the opportunity to watch the same film for years, and players who get more familiar with our style of play over the course of their careers. The last time we actually had a unique gameplan against PL opponents was the Eric Green 1-3-1 in the 2016 PL Tournament. I disagree on the offensive end. The only PL coach who has figured out CBC's offense is DeChellis at Navy - and that is because he has had all those match-ups against Carmody in the Big-10. With the exception of the Navy game, we have scored over 75 points in each Patriot League game - so offense is not the problem. I do agree on the defense, however. I do think the PL opponents have figured out the match-up defense and IMO we don't not have the players to play an effective 1-3-1. You want tall lanky athletic guys with wide wing spans to cut off passing lanes and when you have PB playing in the bottom of the zone you have a guy that gives you everything he can, he has the motor to play there but IMO does not have the physical attributes to play there. One way to attack the 1-3-1 is to lob the ball over the top and that is why we have seen PB get beat easily on lob passes to bigs under the basket. As you mention the effectiveness of the 1-3-1 in 2016 was because Eric Green could play the bottom of the zone. Eric is 6'4" - Pat is 5'11" I'd like to see a straight man-to-man if for nothing else then to provide a different look.
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Post by sader81 on Jan 16, 2019 11:09:23 GMT -5
People overlook the fact that BuckU had four days to prepare for the Princeton offense, having played American the game before. They are always tough at home, and shot lights out! For whatever reason, Grandy and Green had off nights. Butler played pretty well, and looks to be getting back to last year’s form. This is still a young team with growing pains and they keep getting better, albeit, not in a straight line. At the end of the year, they will be right in the mix, and will beat BuckU at home - take book on it! Carmody has nobody to blame but himself for this being a "young" team. It's only young because of roster mismanagement. Apologies for continue to beat the horse senseless, but you really wonder what could have been if we had Coen, Charles, and Stevens as upperclassmen on this team. You can blame coaches for a lot - poor coaching, preparation, recruiting; you can even blame them to an extent when a player flunks out. The circumstances which brought the exit of the three young men from the team is on them, and there is no evidence whatsoever that the coaches share any responsibility. I do not fault the coaches at all, not one bit.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 16, 2019 11:11:43 GMT -5
Nails it. A stubborn approach and lack of varying gameplans from game-to-game puts as at a severe disadvantage against coaches who have now had the opportunity to watch the same film for years, and players who get more familiar with our style of play over the course of their careers. The last time we actually had a unique gameplan against PL opponents was the Eric Green 1-3-1 in the 2016 PL Tournament. I disagree on the offensive end. The only PL coach who has figured out CBC's offense is DeChellis at Navy - and that is because he has had all those match-ups against Carmody in the Big-10. With the exception of the Navy game, we have scored over 75 points in each Patriot League game - so offense is not the problem. HC offensive rank in PL games since Carmody was hired: 2015-16: 9th 2016-17: 7th 2017-18: 8th 2018-19: 5th I wouldn't look at just PPG as the metric for evaluating offensive success.
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Post by trimster on Jan 16, 2019 11:11:54 GMT -5
Fixed it for you. So far, 0-2. Need to reverse these results on the back nine. Very kind of you. I don't expect much from the back 9. I expect good results from the front 9. I see the 2 series you fixed for me as keys to how we view the season as I see those as toss ups. We'll see how it plays out. If we win those 4 games, we have a shot at 20 wins.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 16, 2019 11:13:40 GMT -5
Carmody has nobody to blame but himself for this being a "young" team. It's only young because of roster mismanagement. Apologies for continue to beat the horse senseless, but you really wonder what could have been if we had Coen, Charles, and Stevens as upperclassmen on this team. You can blame coaches for a lot - poor coaching, preparation, recruiting; you can even blame them to an extent when a player flunks out. The circumstances which brought the exit of the three young men from the team is on them, and there is no evidence whatsoever that the coaches share any responsibility. I do not fault the coaches at all, not one bit. He could have corrected matters by recruiting a big man or brought in a transfer. Holy Cross is 352nd in the country in minutes played by the bench. There's a reason why we seem to be getting worn down.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 16, 2019 11:15:55 GMT -5
Not sure I totally agree but correct me if I am wrong, wasn't this the criticism of Milan? Then, again, isn't that the criticism of almost all coaches? Did Ralph do much more than his match up zone on D? Weren't folks posting that all Bucknell plays is man-to-man D? Fran's guys just shoot long range? What "variety" are you looking for from Carmody that'll fit with the players' aptitudes? 1) Yes. 2) Willard and Flannery both adapted their defense to present a unique gameplan based on the opponent. The Marquette NCAA Tournament game is a great example of this -- RW designed a gameplan that would not allow Dwayne Wade to beat us. If we just rolled the ball out there and treated him like any PL wing, Wade would have scored 30 and we wouldn't have had a chance. If Marquette was going to beat us, it was not going to be because of their best player. Unfortunately, Travis F*&#*&%$ Diener had the game of his life. 3) On offense, pound the ball to Floyd on the block, set up high-low action between Faw (a very good shooter) and Floyd, run floyd off big-to-big screens that would create an advantage for him and make him virtually unstoppable. Make Grandison an emphasis of the gameplan early, run him off screens so he can further exploit his size and athleticism (the plays we used to run for Keith Simmons & Kevin Hamilton along the baseline immediately come to mind). Utilize ball screens to allow Green to breakdown a defense or make them pay with his shooting abilities (pick & pop with Faw, pick & roll with Floyd). On defense, scrap the Joe Kennedy amoeba ferkakta "matchup zone," and implement a defense based on principles that actually make sense (not running 2-3 guys at the ball, not flying by shooters, sound weakside positioning, etc.). On rebounding, utilize Floyd & Grandison's athletic ability to dominate the possession battle in rebounding (gaining offensive rebounds, and shutting down opponents on the defensive glass).
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Post by sader81 on Jan 16, 2019 11:17:09 GMT -5
You can blame coaches for a lot - poor coaching, preparation, recruiting; you can even blame them to an extent when a player flunks out. The circumstances which brought the exit of the three young men from the team is on them, and there is no evidence whatsoever that the coaches share any responsibility. I do not fault the coaches at all, not one bit. He could have corrected matters by recruiting a big man or brought in a transfer. If they want to come and if they pass admissions. Easier said than done.
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Post by classof83 on Jan 16, 2019 11:18:26 GMT -5
I disagree on the offensive end. The only PL coach who has figured out CBC's offense is DeChellis at Navy - and that is because he has had all those match-ups against Carmody in the Big-10. With the exception of the Navy game, we have scored over 75 points in each Patriot League game - so offense is not the problem. HC offensive rank in PL games since Carmody was hired: 2015-16: 9th 2016-17: 7th 2017-18: 8th 2018-19: 5th I wouldn't look at just PPG as the metric for evaluating offensive success. So 9th to 5th looks like an improvement to me. Last year he was essentially playing all freshman for the Patriot League season so I discount last year all together.
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Post by possum on Jan 16, 2019 11:22:22 GMT -5
When other schools have these character issues we say what do you expect when you bring in bad apples what's the difference here, the coach brings in the players and lives with the results good and bad.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 16, 2019 11:32:43 GMT -5
In defense of Carmody's approach, it's certainly possible that this team can be successful without being great defensively - three of his NIT clubs at Northwestern fit that description. Offensively, we are shooting and taking care of the ball very well, which all of his good teams have done.
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Post by classof83 on Jan 16, 2019 11:44:22 GMT -5
I recall RW saying that his approach to the game was not the only way to win. BC and RW's approach are probably on opposite ends of the spectrum. It doesn't mean BC's can't be effective.
What he did in 2016 will probably never be repeated in this league. There were some lucky shots and some lucky misses - but to go on the road like we did to win that PL Tournament is truly remarkable
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 16, 2019 11:56:14 GMT -5
I recall RW saying that his approach to the game was not the only way to win. BC and RW's approach are probably on opposite ends of the spectrum. It doesn't mean BC's can't be effective. What he did in 2016 will probably never be repeated in this league. There were some lucky shots and some lucky misses - but to go on the road like we did to win that PL Tournament is truly remarkable Of course RW's approach at HC isn't the only way to win -- he also won with a total different approach when he was at Western Kentucky. But how long do we have to wait to see if Carmody's approach can actually be effective? He hasn't had a season in which he lost fewer than 13 games since 1999-2000. You can't lose as many games as this system loses in the regular season and expect to actually have a chance to win in the NCAA Tournament as a 16 seed.* *Counting a win in the play-in game is the epitome of setting a low bar.
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Post by classof83 on Jan 16, 2019 12:28:40 GMT -5
I am amazed that there would be any thought of replacing Carmody - I'd be more concerned that he decides to leave on his own. It takes time to turn over the roster to what a coach is trying to do, especially at a place like HC that commits to a kid for 4 years, and we are starting to see the players BC wants. MB preached that his focus was on getting guys that could play defense. That is clearly not BC's approach. To start over at square 1 with a new coach at this point, before BC's team is fully established, I think would be foolish. I think he is entitled to see if his approach will work and I don't think we know enough to make a full evaluation
Besides, we don't even have an athletic director in place. I can't see any changes being made until the AD makes his/her own full evaluation.
It will be interesting to see how the rest of this season goes. Changes need to be made - either in our defensive approach or getting the guys to play better on the defensive end.
I think BC is a good coach and will figure it out. We will see.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 16, 2019 12:39:48 GMT -5
I am amazed that there would be any thought of replacing Carmody - I'd be more concerned that he decides to leave on his own. Where would he go? Back to volunteering for Sydney Johnson? Retiring from coaching? It's actually a really good point you bring up though about Carmody and whether we will replace him or not. When Carmody was hired, he received a five-year contract. He is now in year four of that contract. HC and the new AD (whenever he/she is hired) will be in a bit of a predicament in several months. I think a lot rides on how the rest of this season plays out. Would HC give a coach an extension who has a sub .500 record overall and in the PL? Furthermore, is a new AD going to make a move on Carmody just after being hired? As we know, it's pretty problematic from a recruiting perspective for a coach to enter into a season in a contract year and not knowing whether he will be extended or not.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 16, 2019 12:42:13 GMT -5
I am amazed that there would be any thought of replacing Carmody - I'd be more concerned that he decides to leave on his own. It takes time to turn over the roster to what a coach is trying to do, especially at a place like HC that commits to a kid for 4 years, and we are starting to see the players BC wants. MB preached that his focus was on getting guys that could play defense. That is clearly not BC's approach. To start over at square 1 with a new coach at this point, before BC's team is fully established, I think would be foolish. I think he is entitled to see if his approach will work and I don't think we know enough to make a full evaluation Besides, we don't even have an athletic director in place. I can't see any changes being made until the AD makes his/her own full evaluation. It will be interesting to see how the rest of this season goes. Changes need to be made - either in our defensive approach or getting the guys to play better on the defensive end. I think BC is a good coach and will figure it out. We will see. I don't think that anyone in TPTB has any thought of replacing Carmody. Don't confuse the diatribe we get from a few posters (over and over so it may appear to be more) with any real desire to replace Carmody. I agree with you (and with most of the college coaches I know who feel) that Carmody is a good coach.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 16, 2019 12:45:50 GMT -5
Carmody has nobody to blame but himself for this being a "young" team. It's only young because of roster mismanagement. Apologies for continue to beat the horse senseless, but you really wonder what could have been if we had Coen, Charles, and Stevens as upperclassmen on this team. You can blame coaches for a lot - poor coaching, preparation, recruiting; you can even blame them to an extent when a player flunks out. The circumstances which brought the exit of the three young men from the team is on them, and there is no evidence whatsoever that the coaches share any responsibility. I do not fault the coaches at all, not one bit. +1000
I am very annoyed with the 2 scholarship departees right now (annoyed, not angry, as this is not life or death), as it is pretty apparent their absence is placing a burden on the guys that are trying to compete while missing Conor. In fact, the guys have a right to be pi$$ed with those 2 for letting them down, imho. But unless there was prior knowledge of these guys being "bad apples", there is no way I would blame the coach. It looks bad because it happened in back to back years, but as I said before: if anyone wants to put the coach on trial for this, they should evaluate him over his whole career, just like it is done with his W-L record.
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Post by classof83 on Jan 16, 2019 12:46:28 GMT -5
I think it is unlikely that he gets another job - but at age 67 I could see him retiring to his house on the Jersey Shore. Those bus rides to Lewisburg can't be fun
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 16, 2019 12:48:34 GMT -5
Not likely at all that he will get "another job" since has one now at HC and is dedicated to that.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 16, 2019 13:40:26 GMT -5
Often guys his age end up being assistants somewhere if they want to stay in the game, like George Blaney. That's the other option if he is not the head coach.
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Post by trimster on Jan 16, 2019 13:57:22 GMT -5
I am amazed that there would be any thought of replacing Carmody - I'd be more concerned that he decides to leave on his own. Where would he go? Back to volunteering for Sydney Johnson? Retiring from coaching? It's actually a really good point you bring up though about Carmody and whether we will replace him or not. When Carmody was hired, he received a five-year contract. He is now in year four of that contract. HC and the new AD (whenever he/she is hired) will be in a bit of a predicament in several months. I think a lot rides on how the rest of this season plays out. Would HC give a coach an extension who has a sub .500 record overall and in the PL? Furthermore, is a new AD going to make a move on Carmody just after being hired? As we know, it's pretty problematic from a recruiting perspective for a coach to enter into a season in a contract year and not knowing whether he will be extended or not. I guess it won't be too much of a problem seeing that he only has one scholarship to work with for the class of 2020. I'm assuming he uses the 4th scholarship this spring for the class of 2019.
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Post by Tom on Jan 16, 2019 14:12:07 GMT -5
I guess it won't be too much of a problem seeing that he only has one scholarship to work with for the class of 2020. I'm assuming he uses the 4th scholarship this spring for the class of 2019. If so, I hope he's a stud - preferably a big one You can get the diamond in the rough, but in general I would expect the guys with the most potential to be locked up early. Without assigning blame for why scholarships opened up late, the staff has had a bunch of last minute scurrying. Grandison is one of those late grabs, and has worked out fine, but I think he is more the exception than the rule
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