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Post by timholycross on Jan 15, 2019 12:00:37 GMT -5
Re: our 3 point shot defense and "flying at the shooter": our opponents are shooting 32.9% on threes for the season, putting HC's defense at #125 for the season. Pomeroy, among others, would not be impressed.
Opponents are also shooting 53% on twos putting HC a lowly 257th. Flying around constantly during possessions leaves us vulnerable whenever - and wherever - the shot comes from..
You're right- if one of HCs forwards take themselves out of the play then the chances for rebounds are greatly diminished. Throw into the mix the smaller players we have left on the floor (especially if it's Faw or Floyd that ends up in the front row) in those spots, and it's accentuated.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 15, 2019 12:22:49 GMT -5
Re: our 3 point shot defense and "flying at the shooter": our opponents are shooting 32.9% on threes for the season, putting HC's defense at #125 for the season. Pomeroy, among others, would not be impressed.
Opponents are also shooting 53% on twos putting HC a lowly 257th. Flying around constantly during possessions leaves us vulnerable whenever - and wherever - the shot comes from..
Thanks for finding this and bringing it to our attention--it's a great addition to the discussion. I just wanted to add the shooting percentage number as another fact to consider. We often hear how HC's defense gives the opponents "open looks"; if so, they are not converting an unusually high percentage of those open look shots.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 15, 2019 12:34:35 GMT -5
How do you beat Bucknell. Malcolm Miller showed us. Attack the Bakset! Also see Coach Chesney’s dad at the game. What is a Backset? Anyone who has ever played ball in the hood knows what a backset is. And if you haven't scored one, I don't want you on my team
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Post by ts1970 on Jan 15, 2019 13:49:01 GMT -5
Anyone who has ever played ball in the hood knows what a backset is. And if you haven't scored one, I don't want you on my team I think the correct spelling is b-a-k-s-e-t, not backset. There is no “c” in the word. (See thecrossisback’s original post)
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 15, 2019 13:58:45 GMT -5
Not to mention that "flying around" must be exhausting, especially when you have as short a bench as we have.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 15, 2019 14:22:06 GMT -5
I swear if these negative vibes keep flowing I'm getting out my Blutarsky avatar. Feels like we are 4-14 or thereabouts.
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Post by cmo on Jan 15, 2019 14:28:05 GMT -5
I’m feeling a little negative, but it’s just because i want more for this team.
We have the best player in the league and a good “experienced” sophomore group. I’d like to get back to hosting PL championship games and think we should.
But, we’re 2-3. It’s frustrating.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 15, 2019 14:33:27 GMT -5
I swear if these negative vibes keep flowing I'm getting out my Blutarsky avatar. Feels like we are 4-14 or thereabouts. The vibes are warranted. Losing on the road to a bottom 50 team, blowing a double digit lead at home, and then getting blown out by Bucknell is reason for some concern. We've given up 90+ points to two of the better teams. Not good! Pomeroy had us ranked at 147 after the Loyola win. We are now ranked 175 just four games later.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 15, 2019 14:48:50 GMT -5
In the end, rebounding was probably the big difference in the game. 34-26. That and a 19/22 vs 8/13 from the line. You can probably say that's because of the extra possessions. 3 pointers only accounted for 4 additional points. Shooting percentages and turnovers were surprisingly even at the end.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 15, 2019 16:11:09 GMT -5
In the end, rebounding was probably the big difference in the game. 34-26. That and a 19/22 vs 8/13 from the line. You can probably say that's because of the extra possessions. 3 pointers only accounted for 4 additional points. Shooting percentages and turnovers were surprisingly even at the end. We also allowed them to shoot an outrageous 79.2% on 2FGs (19-24). And these numbers are WITH Floyd. Things are only going to get worse without him next year.
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Post by possum on Jan 15, 2019 16:33:42 GMT -5
There is no way we can compete with Bucknell with Green and Grandison having poor games. Moore did a great defensive job basically taking Grandison out of the game.
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Post by matunuck on Jan 15, 2019 17:12:46 GMT -5
In all seriousness, we are what we are in D1 hoop today....just another low, mid-major playing out the string until the league tournament....it's beyond boring at this point. Can't say you're off point, thus far. It does get tedious after a while, particularly this year. Do hope we right the ship very soon.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 15, 2019 17:18:12 GMT -5
If Bucknell can win NCAA tournament games there's no reason that we cannot--aren't the Bison in the same conference?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 15, 2019 18:14:58 GMT -5
I swear if these negative vibes keep flowing I'm getting out my Blutarsky avatar. Feels like we are 4-14 or thereabouts. The vibes are warranted. Losing on the road to a bottom 50 team, blowing a double digit lead at home, and then getting blown out by Bucknell is reason for some concern. We've given up 90+ points to two of the better teams. Not good! Pomeroy had us ranked at 147 after the Loyola win. We are now ranked 175 just four games later. I understand being concerned....but imho people get more carried away when things go bad than when they go good. Game threads are almost always longer when we lose. Just from this one thread I find that we are totally unorganized on defense, we have freshmen that are busts because they aren't playing, we are slower and less athletic than our peer teams.....while there is almost zero credit given to Bucknell. Funny, some of the people on their board think HC is pretty good, and the Bison had to play a great game to win. I also think having a Monday night game being the 5th in 11 days did not help.
I guess I'll never be able to get on the same page as many of you because 1) I put very little value on ratings/ranking, other than as a VERY general reference point, and 2) I don't think I can ever drag myself away from the human element of the game, and into the metrics world. I too was annoyed with how the Navy game went down. But, it happens. I mean, metrics/ratings wise, shouldn't it have been impossible for UMBC to beat UVA? I guess I don't fit in the new age where someone is introducing a new way every day to measure players/teams.
Maybe this is the start of some kind of free fall for the rest of the year. If it is, I'll be the first to call myself a fool for staying positive. I just think Jan.15 is a little early to look for a life raft.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 15, 2019 18:29:08 GMT -5
Dave, this game showed me primarily two things, which go much further than just one game or, perhaps, one season -- 1) Zero interior play/presence other than Floyd. It doesn't seem like any help is on the way. 2) Having no depth has caught up to us. Yeah, playing five games in 11 days is tough...especially when you're only playing six guys! Having an invisible junior class and a freshmen class that may or may not be good is a cause for concern.
Lastly, I think Grandison is a fabulous player, but he's really been stymied in the first five PL games. I'm not sure if it's a function of him being too passive or Carmody not looking to feature him enough, but this has got to change.
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Post by lou on Jan 15, 2019 18:32:11 GMT -5
In the end, rebounding was probably the big difference in the game. 34-26. That and a 19/22 vs 8/13 from the line. You can probably say that's because of the extra possessions. 3 pointers only accounted for 4 additional points. Shooting percentages and turnovers were surprisingly even at the end. We also allowed them to shoot an outrageous 79.2% on 2FGs (19-24). And these numbers are WITH Floyd. Things are only going to get worse without him next year. Well you can also subtract Sestina's 11-11 next year so that should help the %
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 15, 2019 18:36:22 GMT -5
We also allowed them to shoot an outrageous 79.2% on 2FGs (19-24). And these numbers are WITH Floyd. Things are only going to get worse without him next year. Well you can also subtract Sestina's 11-11 next year so that should help the % Or we could just get better defensively. Was the same thing said when Foulland graduated?
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Post by notjuanjones on Jan 15, 2019 20:23:39 GMT -5
Birdsong is indeed an "acquired taste" to say the least, and one that I admit as a Bucknell alum and fan that I have never acquired. I watch with the sound muted. You and everyone with a functioning brain. Guy's a hack.
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Post by classof83 on Jan 15, 2019 22:52:08 GMT -5
There has been a lot of talk about the bad defense - some of it was certainly design- some was effort. JF and Grandy were caught a few times not knowing who to cover and Matt Faw didn't fight through screens that lead to wide open 3 point shots. Toomer had a few open 3 pointers in the corner by cutting from one side of the court along base line to the opposite corner and then Bucknell would screen off the HC player on the block giving Toomer a wide open look. A simple play but pretty effective against the HC match-up.
But no one has mentioned in the last 11 minutes of the first half we had 6 or 7 turnovers, a blocked layup of PB off a steal and 3 missed free throws by JF.
I am surprised we were only down 16 points at the half.
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Post by sader81 on Jan 16, 2019 7:28:14 GMT -5
People overlook the fact that BuckU had four days to prepare for the Princeton offense, having played American the game before. They are always tough at home, and shot lights out! For whatever reason, Grandy and Green had off nights. Butler played pretty well, and looks to be getting back to last year’s form. This is still a young team with growing pains and they keep getting better, albeit, not in a straight line. At the end of the year, they will be right in the mix, and will beat BuckU at home - take book on it!
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 16, 2019 7:34:05 GMT -5
From your mouth to God's Ear.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 16, 2019 8:01:07 GMT -5
People overlook the fact that BuckU had four days to prepare for the Princeton offense. Actually Bucknell and the rest of the PL have had 3 1/2 years to prepare for what Holy Cross does, both offensively and defensively. This is why the success of the OOC may not readily translate into the results of conference play.
How we finish the front nine will be telling - four games against teams that will probably end up in the second division, including repeat encounters with Loyola and Navy. 4-0 isn't an unreasonable expectation, 3-1 minimum. The back nine will be much tougher
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Post by trimster on Jan 16, 2019 9:33:05 GMT -5
I think the real key to how we view this season when it's over, will be how we do in the 4 games vs American and BU.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 16, 2019 9:47:03 GMT -5
Fixed it for you. So far, 0-2. Need to reverse these results on the back nine.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 16, 2019 9:59:10 GMT -5
People overlook the fact that BuckU had four days to prepare for the Princeton offense, having played American the game before. They are always tough at home, and shot lights out! For whatever reason, Grandy and Green had off nights. Butler played pretty well, and looks to be getting back to last year’s form. This is still a young team with growing pains and they keep getting better, albeit, not in a straight line. At the end of the year, they will be right in the mix, and will beat BuckU at home - take book on it! Carmody has nobody to blame but himself for this being a "young" team. It's only young because of roster mismanagement. Apologies for continue to beat the horse senseless, but you really wonder what could have been if we had Coen, Charles, and Stevens as upperclassmen on this team. I hope what you say about being "right in the mix" is right because at this juncture we are now fighting for a home tournament game in the first round. We haven't beaten Bucknell in the regular season in Lewisburg since Willard was the coach.
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