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Post by rgs318 on Jan 16, 2019 15:33:59 GMT -5
...but he is the head coach.
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Post by notjuanjones on Jan 16, 2019 17:41:18 GMT -5
I am amazed that there would be any thought of replacing Carmody - I'd be more concerned that he decides to leave on his own. Where would he go? Back to volunteering for Sydney Johnson? Retiring from coaching? It's actually a really good point you bring up though about Carmody and whether we will replace him or not. When Carmody was hired, he received a five-year contract. He is now in year four of that contract. HC and the new AD (whenever he/she is hired) will be in a bit of a predicament in several months. I think a lot rides on how the rest of this season plays out. Would HC give a coach an extension who has a sub .500 record overall and in the PL? Furthermore, is a new AD going to make a move on Carmody just after being hired? As we know, it's pretty problematic from a recruiting perspective for a coach to enter into a season in a contract year and not knowing whether he will be extended or not. Obviously I have zero intel on this, but I would think he's already been extended for at least one more year. The PL is all about education and integrity, yada yada yada, but I imagine negative recruiting still goes on, and it would be very hard for any staff to seriously go after 2020 recruits if the kids don't know if you're going to be there.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 16, 2019 17:53:06 GMT -5
I don't believe he's been extended - extensions are normally announced, and haven't seen anything to that effect. Just as the hockey coach got his extension at the end of the fourth year in a five-year contract, the subject of Carmody's extension will likely be deferred until this season is over
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 16, 2019 18:18:56 GMT -5
Maybe he doesn't even want to go beyond next year.......who knows, maybe some sort of succession plan has already been worked out. Just throwing it out there as a possibility.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 16, 2019 18:19:14 GMT -5
However slim....
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 16, 2019 19:13:33 GMT -5
When RW left and a nationwide search was launched to find SK working at Schwab's Drug Store, oh sorry that was Lana Turner, I reviewed Asst. Coach Andy Sachs' record. While he had never been a head coach before, it was amazing how consistently the programs he worked at had won throughout his career at all levels.
Unfortunately he was let go by Salisbury, apparently over minor violations. I remember he could have a little bit of a sarcastic edge to him, but he sure knows how to win. As head coach he was 117-49 with two NCAA trips at Bethany College and 59-24 at Salisbury University with two NCAA trips, and his recruits are currently 13-2 this year. If an opening does occur at HC, they could do worse than interviewing Andy.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 17, 2019 10:33:21 GMT -5
Another discussion of someone to fill a position that is not open. Andy might be a good coaching candidate (after all RW did a good job at HC after being let go by Pitt), but do we need to go this Kabuki exercise with every coach? One or more fans do not like the coach for some reason(s). He/they then start a discussion of the replacement (for a position that is not open). That discussion takes on a life of its on and goes on and on... ad nauseam. Just how far ahead of the cart can we put this horse?
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 17, 2019 13:17:17 GMT -5
As the coach of the Patriots would say, "On to Loyola"
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 17, 2019 14:49:25 GMT -5
I don't dislike Coach Carmody. He strikes me as a fine gentleman and competent professional. I was following up on the suggestion that perhaps he did not want to exceed his five year commitment. I mentioned Andy because there must be an inherent understanding of how to win if a guy coaches for thirty years or so in HS, D-3 and D-1 as an assistant and HC and wins everywhere.
I don't think I could adequately define the unique skill of knowing how to win, or even separate it from other skills, but I sense there are some people who grasp it more than others even if they also could not adequately explain it.
I do have a clear opinion that Andy Sachs would have outperformed SK if he was promoted from lead Assistant Coach to Head Coach instead of the nationwide search that discovered SK.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 17, 2019 15:01:00 GMT -5
I don't dislike Coach Carmody. He strikes me as a fine gentleman and competent professional. I was following up on the suggestion that perhaps he did not want to exceed his five year commitment. I mentioned Andy because there must be an inherent understanding of how to win if a guy coaches for thirty years or so in HS, D-3 and D-1 as an assistant and HC and wins everywhere. I don't think I could adequately define the unique skill of knowing how to win, or even separate it from other skills, but I sense there are some people who grasp it more than others even if they also could not adequately explain it. I do have a clear opinion that Andy Sachs would have outperformed SK if he was promoted from lead Assistant Coach to Head Coach instead of the nationwide search that discovered SK. Anyone would have outperformed SK......
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Post by timholycross on Jan 17, 2019 15:06:13 GMT -5
I would say when you have a program that's meeting or exceeding expectations you don't hire someone from the outside with no head coaching track record- hire one of the assistants; or maybe an assitant that moved on to a bigger job; and try to keep things going as they were. Doesn't always work, of course, but a more logical course of action. The worst thing about Kearney was his seeming disregard for the defensive end.
Having said that, I know very little about Andy Sachs or anyone else who was coaching with Ralph.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jan 17, 2019 15:18:40 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Jan 17, 2019 15:25:03 GMT -5
I do have a clear opinion that Andy Sachs would have outperformed SK if he was promoted from lead Assistant Coach to Head Coach instead of the nationwide search that discovered SK. Coach Sachs announcement came about a day after Coach Willard. I think that everything with Bethany was in place before Coach Willard decided to leave. It might hurt credibility down the road if he came to an agreement with Bethany and then backed out at the last minute because he had a better offer (HC head job). I think Coach Sachs would have been a fine coach here and floated his name on this board after Coach Brown was let go. Most professionals don't make their hiring decisions based on message board posts so my opinion was ignored
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Post by CHC8485 on Jan 17, 2019 15:45:40 GMT -5
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Post by classof83 on Jan 17, 2019 16:22:29 GMT -5
IMO the program is now just recovering from the hiring and consequential firing after 1 year of SK. What a debacle. I really don't blame the timing of RW leaving. I understand, however, why others would. As we all recall, HC got a lot of flack for firing SK after 1 year and I think a lot of strong candidates were not interested in the job because of it. As a result, I think we settled on MB - a nice guy and good recruiter - but not a good coach.
I remember the press conference when DR introduced SK as the new coach. DR mentioned he was in a hurry because he was leaving on vacation. That statement has always stuck with me, because we were under the gun anyway because of recruiting , and I always wondered if DR had done thorough vetting of SK or was he just in a hurry to go on vacation.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 17, 2019 16:29:57 GMT -5
IMO the program is now just recovering from the hiring and consequential firing after 1 year of SK. What a debacle. I really don't blame the timing of RW leaving. I understand, however, why others would. As we all recall, HC got a lot of flack for firing SK after 1 year and I think a lot of strong candidates were not interested in the job because of it. As a result, I think we settled on MB - a nice guy and good recruiter - but not a good coach. I remember the press conference when DR introduced SK as the new coach. DR mentioned he was in a hurry because he was leaving on vacation. That statement has always stuck with me, because we were under the gun anyway because of recruiting , and I always wondered if DR had done thorough vetting of SK or was he just in a hurry to go on vacation. How would you "thoroughly vet" a guy who had spent many years as an assistant under one head coach? In a way SK was 180 degrees away from Bob Chesney: had all the D-1 experience and high-academic (?) experience but had never been in a real leadership position. Coach Chesney: proven leader and winner at smaller programs. Come to think of it, isn't it amazing that those who pooh-poohed the Chesney hiring had not learned from the Kearney debacle.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 17, 2019 16:54:28 GMT -5
IMO the program is now just recovering from the hiring and consequential firing after 1 year of SK. What a debacle. I really don't blame the timing of RW leaving. I understand, however, why others would. As we all recall, HC got a lot of flack for firing SK after 1 year and I think a lot of strong candidates were not interested in the job because of it. As a result, I think we settled on MB - a nice guy and good recruiter - but not a good coach. 2 biggest factors that led us to Milan Brown and not a stronger candidate: 1) Fr. McFarland stepping in to foolishly deny a plan for Ralph Willard to return with a succession plan in place 2) Dick Regan making a statement that head coaching experience would be a requirement -- something that would severely limit the pool of coaches who would actually be interested in HC.
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Post by classof83 on Jan 17, 2019 16:54:43 GMT -5
IMO the program is now just recovering from the hiring and consequential firing after 1 year of SK. What a debacle. I really don't blame the timing of RW leaving. I understand, however, why others would. As we all recall, HC got a lot of flack for firing SK after 1 year and I think a lot of strong candidates were not interested in the job because of it. As a result, I think we settled on MB - a nice guy and good recruiter - but not a good coach. I remember the press conference when DR introduced SK as the new coach. DR mentioned he was in a hurry because he was leaving on vacation. That statement has always stuck with me, because we were under the gun anyway because of recruiting , and I always wondered if DR had done thorough vetting of SK or was he just in a hurry to go on vacation. How would you "thoroughly vet" a guy who had spent many years as an assistant under one head coach? In a way SK was 180 degrees away from Bob Chesney: had all the D-1 experience and high-academic (?) experience but had never been in a real leadership position. Coach Chesney: proven leader and winner at smaller programs. Come to think of it, isn't it amazing that those who pooh-poohed the Chesney hiring had not learned from the Kearney debacle. Not trying to draw a comparison in the hiring of SK vs. Chesney - but I think you raise good questions why maybe SK should not have been hired - all the D1 experience and high academic experience - Why had he been with 1 head coach with Brey at Delaware and Notre Dame for so long? and did we evaluate his leadership skills? It certainly wasn't evident when he coached HC.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 17, 2019 17:02:55 GMT -5
IMO the program is now just recovering from the hiring and consequential firing after 1 year of SK. What a debacle. I really don't blame the timing of RW leaving. I understand, however, why others would. As we all recall, HC got a lot of flack for firing SK after 1 year and I think a lot of strong candidates were not interested in the job because of it. As a result, I think we settled on MB - a nice guy and good recruiter - but not a good coach. I remember the press conference when DR introduced SK as the new coach. DR mentioned he was in a hurry because he was leaving on vacation. That statement has always stuck with me, because we were under the gun anyway because of recruiting , and I always wondered if DR had done thorough vetting of SK or was he just in a hurry to go on vacation. How would you "thoroughly vet" a guy who had spent many years as an assistant under one head coach? In a way SK was 180 degrees away from Bob Chesney: had all the D-1 experience and high-academic (?) experience but had never been in a real leadership position. Coach Chesney: proven leader and winner at smaller programs. Come to think of it, isn't it amazing that those who pooh-poohed the Chesney hiring had not learned from the Kearney debacle. A ridiculous reach. Mark Few & Brad Stevens didn't have any head coaching experience or experience in a "real leadership position" prior to being hired by Gonzaga & Butler (with Stevens having only worked for one head coach). How'd that work out? Even your guy Carmody had only one year of head coaching experience at a Community College, followed by 20 years as an assistant, before he was hired by Princeton.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 17, 2019 17:06:53 GMT -5
How would you "thoroughly vet" a guy who had spent many years as an assistant under one head coach? In a way SK was 180 degrees away from Bob Chesney: had all the D-1 experience and high-academic (?) experience but had never been in a real leadership position. Coach Chesney: proven leader and winner at smaller programs. Come to think of it, isn't it amazing that those who pooh-poohed the Chesney hiring had not learned from the Kearney debacle. Not trying to draw a comparison in the hiring of SK vs. Chesney - but I think you raise good questions why maybe SK should not have been hired - all the D1 experience and high academic experience - Why had he been with 1 head coach with Brey at Delaware and Notre Dame for so long? and did we evaluate his leadership skills? I don't have answers to those questions. But I do know that when he interviewed for the Bucknell job a year before the HC job, he reportedly was not impressive. Was immediately eliminated from consideration.
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Post by cfrivals on Jan 17, 2019 17:27:31 GMT -5
I am not a Carmody fan, but in all fairness, under the current league and administration, it would be very hard for Coach K or Brad Stevens to win here. Why has Bucknell been a consistent top team in the league playing in the middle of nowhere and we have been in the bottom tier of the league since 2008?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 17, 2019 18:28:21 GMT -5
How would you "thoroughly vet" a guy who had spent many years as an assistant under one head coach? In a way SK was 180 degrees away from Bob Chesney: had all the D-1 experience and high-academic (?) experience but had never been in a real leadership position. Coach Chesney: proven leader and winner at smaller programs. Come to think of it, isn't it amazing that those who pooh-poohed the Chesney hiring had not learned from the Kearney debacle. A ridiculous reach. Mark Few & Brad Stevens didn't have any head coaching experience or experience in a "real leadership position" prior to being hired by Gonzaga & Butler (with Stevens having only worked for one head coach). How'd that work out? Even your guy Carmody had only one year of head coaching experience at a Community College, followed by 20 years as an assistant, before he was hired by Princeton. Yeah I know some guys who are 5-10 who are great basketball players do I guess height is not an asset in the sport. Again, we’ve got to get you to a logic course—would really help you
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jan 17, 2019 20:01:53 GMT -5
I am not a Carmody fan, but in all fairness, under the current league and administration, it would be very hard for Coach K or Brad Stevens to win here. Why has Bucknell been a consistent top team in the league playing in the middle of nowhere and we have been in the bottom tier of the league since 2008? I liked this post as far as the administration reference is concerned. Bucknell is in the same league, last time I looked. So why is the PL a big negative for HC but not Bucknell?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 17, 2019 20:09:19 GMT -5
So why is the PL a big negative for HC . . . What an interesting topic. I'm surprised it's never come up here.
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Post by rickii on Jan 17, 2019 20:33:09 GMT -5
So why is the PL a big negative for HC . . . What an interesting topic. I'm surprised it's never come up here.
History !
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