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Post by bison137 on Mar 30, 2019 9:02:29 GMT -5
Is it that hard to structure a contract with a mutual opt-out after the first year? Same contractual effect as the interim deal but doesn’t set the program back by screwing up recruiting in a way that could potentially impact multiple classes. Hopefully there’s more going on here that makes the interim plan a sensible one but I’m struggling to imagine what that might be. It is possible to do that, assuming she would go along with it,but there are two possible objections: (1) If HC terminated the contact after one year, it would lead to bad press similar to what occurred when Sean Kearney was fired; and (2) if word of the contract leaked out, then there would be no benefit and possibly harm, as it would look like they were pulling something sneaky on possible recruits. Also not sure AM would agree, as it would leave open a realistic possibility of her being "fired" after one year - which would look worse than merely having been an interim coach who didn't get the job permanently.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 30, 2019 9:40:06 GMT -5
Wouldn't she have to REALLY bomb to get let go after one year, given the program's performance over the last several years?
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Post by HC13 on Mar 30, 2019 10:22:52 GMT -5
Wouldn't she have to REALLY bomb to get let go after one year, given the program's performance over the last several years? Well, since she has been part of the program the last 11 yrs & head recruiter, maybe not
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Post by HC92 on Mar 30, 2019 12:22:03 GMT -5
Is it that hard to structure a contract with a mutual opt-out after the first year? Same contractual effect as the interim deal but doesn’t set the program back by screwing up recruiting in a way that could potentially impact multiple classes. Hopefully there’s more going on here that makes the interim plan a sensible one but I’m struggling to imagine what that might be. It is possible to do that, assuming she would go along with it,but there are two possible objections: (1) If HC terminated the contact after one year, it would lead to bad press similar to what occurred when Sean Kearney was fired; and (2) if word of the contract leaked out, then there would be no benefit and possibly harm, as it would look like they were pulling something sneaky on possible recruits. Also not sure AM would agree, as it would leave open a realistic possibility of her being "fired" after one year - which would look worse than merely having been an interim coach who didn't get the job permanently. I guess I prefer possible harm to certain harm.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 30, 2019 17:11:16 GMT -5
Without losing any seniors who played regularly I think the chances of bombing are low. The kids at the McInerney School of Irish Dance can start an Irish Jig without hesitation.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 31, 2019 7:58:48 GMT -5
Without losing any seniors who played regularly I think the chances of bombing are low. The kids at the McInerney School of Irish Dance can start an Irish Jig without hesitation. Especially if the current team bought into Bill being replaced and AM being the replacement (which I have no way of knowing)....wonder if most of his alumnae support was from players long removed from the scene.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 2, 2019 13:46:39 GMT -5
UNC’s entire women’s staff including head coach Sylvia Hatchell suspended yday - seems somewhat similar to what happened with us - personnel matters resulting from some complaints from people inside the program - the UNC results on the floor have not been good in recent years
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 2, 2019 16:02:49 GMT -5
Sylvia is 67. Is there a bit of Joe Biden disease going around where these older, established leaders haven't done anything outrageous and nothing that would result in sanctions a generation ago, but are running into a culture change and they haven't adjusted quickly enough?
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Post by HC13 on Apr 2, 2019 18:29:32 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 2, 2019 20:18:49 GMT -5
That is truly sad to hear from a coach with his reputation.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 2, 2019 23:28:48 GMT -5
Being in the final four gives a coach some insulation. Within reason, no matter what style that coach has, most will think it is the right style because it works so well.
Bill Belichick's schtick would get old fast if his average season was 3-13 instead of 13-3. I love his style but know I wouldn't if the Pats started losing regularly. Losing season or not, I'd still faint if Tom Brady said hi to me.😂
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Post by joshua on Apr 3, 2019 0:26:23 GMT -5
Coach gibbons was the best coach up at holycross and I think its sad that he went out this way. Thank you coach gibbons for all the wins and championships at holycross. Interm ad says we couldnt compete in the leauge for championships well he dont know that 3 of the teams in our leauge were very good as well American bucknell lehigh.coach Bill gibbons has more wins by himself than mens lacrosse womans lacrosse field hockey volleyball and mens hockey coaches combined holycross needs a new ad and a new one quickly interm ad sullivan is already messing up programs in womans basketball and volleyball.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 3, 2019 8:25:03 GMT -5
Well, we haven't heard from the BG apologists in a while - silly rationale imo - BG let this program slide and opened the door for what you call 'very good teams', American, Bucknell, Lehigh to fill the void, "for the last several years". And for that he deserves a lifetime contract ?
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Post by Tom on Apr 3, 2019 8:28:22 GMT -5
Coach gibbons was the best coach up at holycross and I think its sad that he went out this way. Thank you coach gibbons for all the wins and championships at holycross. Interm ad says we couldnt compete in the leauge for championships well he dont know that 3 of the teams in our leauge were very good as well American bucknell lehigh.coach Bill gibbons has more wins by himself than mens lacrosse womans lacrosse field hockey volleyball and mens hockey coaches combined holycross needs a new ad and a new one quickly interm ad sullivan is already messing up programs in womans basketball and volleyball. Yes, Coach Gibbons has a ton of wins and championships. He was also a great ambassador for the school. On the other hand, for the past decade, HC has been a middle of the pack school. HC's last tournament win came when Coach Willard was still here. Same for the women's last regular season championship. There are posters on the men's board clamoring for the third coaching dismissal since that time. There have been a few tournament upsets that got HC to the tournament final - most recently back in 2014. In general, it's been a mediocre decade. Coach Gibbons was given much more leeway than Coach Kearney or Coach Brown and also more than a number of fans are now giving Coach Carmody. And rightly so, he earned it. Coach Gibbons did a fantastic job back in the 90's and early 2000's and has earned our respect and gratitude. In the harsh realities of life, I'm not sure he has earned a lifetime pass. You can reasonably argue it isn't all about wins and losses and HC was wrong to not renew his contract for a mediocre decade, but the opposite position that the school took isn't totally unreasonable either
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Post by DiMarz on Apr 5, 2019 12:49:51 GMT -5
Coach Gibbons exemplified what HC has always looked for in their hires..He was not only a basketball coach, but he molded the lives of every player he has coached.. His players over the years have followed his lead and become special women...His team/family attitude has always been his calling card..From "games" at the Mercy Center, to Thanksgiving dinners at his home, to working summer camps, his players were involved with each other and grew as individuals...What other coaches had summer camp rules like leave the area cleaner than it was when you arrived, walk on the sidewalks not the grass, hold the door for the person behind you, and get to know your councilor!!
Coach Gibbons will be missed.....He as a unique leader!
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Apr 5, 2019 15:57:56 GMT -5
Tom's analysis is the more accurate of the two, by a considerable margin.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 5, 2019 16:59:42 GMT -5
I would agree with that. another reason that BG’s time should have ended with this contract, I never heard anyone claim that he was a good tactician and in-game adjustment coach
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Post by purple1 on Apr 5, 2019 19:13:49 GMT -5
I also agree with the two above assessments, and I will add this is 10-12 years too late in happening.
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Post by spenser on Apr 6, 2019 17:56:50 GMT -5
I also agree with the two above assessments, and I will add this is 10-12 years too late in happening. I absolutely agree.
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Post by crusader12 on Apr 8, 2019 13:51:20 GMT -5
Coach gibbons was the best coach up at holycross and I think its sad that he went out this way. Thank you coach gibbons for all the wins and championships at holycross. Interm ad says we couldnt compete in the leauge for championships well he dont know that 3 of the teams in our leauge were very good as well American bucknell lehigh.coach Bill gibbons has more wins by himself than mens lacrosse womans lacrosse field hockey volleyball and mens hockey coaches combined holycross needs a new ad and a new one quickly interm ad sullivan is already messing up programs in womans basketball and volleyball. Jury still out on WBB, but Volleyball was clearly the right call.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 8, 2019 16:03:06 GMT -5
Coach gibbons was the best coach up at holycross and I think its sad that he went out this way. Thank you coach gibbons for all the wins and championships at holycross. Interm ad says we couldnt compete in the leauge for championships well he dont know that 3 of the teams in our leauge were very good as well American bucknell lehigh.coach Bill gibbons has more wins by himself than mens lacrosse womans lacrosse field hockey volleyball and mens hockey coaches combined holycross needs a new ad and a new one quickly interm ad sullivan is already messing up programs in womans basketball and volleyball. Jury still out on WBB, but Volleyball was clearly the right call. Any tales you can tell here that support your argument that Ms. Smoose should have been terminated? Have no clue as to her ability, inability; just curious.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 19, 2019 10:20:41 GMT -5
Sylvia Hatchell was forced to resign yday at UNC after 33 years as their women's coach. Major reasons were insensitive racially-related comments and pressuring players to play when they were injured and preferred to recover. Coaching has changed over time and I think BG had some of the same problems in his behavior around his team and staff. That's my guess about his suspension ref a 'personnel matter'
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Post by Tom on Apr 19, 2019 10:57:26 GMT -5
Sylvia Hatchell was forced to resign yday at UNC after 33 years as their women's coach. Major reasons were insensitive racially-related comments and pressuring players to play when they were injured and preferred to recover. Coaching has changed over time and I think BG had some of the same problems in his behavior around his team and staff. That's my guess about his suspension ref a 'personnel matter' Taking everything at face value you might be half right. It has been stated and not contradicted that the suspension had nothing to do with players or students. Behavior around staff is another story. It hasn't been mentioned and as such has never been denied Regarding coaching changing over time: That isn't necessarily a good thing in this dinosaur's opinion
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Post by hchoops on Apr 19, 2019 10:59:06 GMT -5
i see no good reason for speculation
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Post by HCFC45 on Apr 21, 2019 8:10:29 GMT -5
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